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Old 02-07-2019, 09:43 AM  
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State of the Chiefs drafting going forward

I think we need to reset our calculus for the Chiefs drafting first rounders going forward. We can all agree they're going to be or atleast should be barring any unforeseen issues, pretty good for a while. They're going to be drafting late in the first for a while.

Sure there is always the option to trade up, but usually, when you're good you have good players. Good players tend to get big contracts so the Chiefs aren't going to be able to pay everyone. The Draft is going to become super important, even moreso than in the past at replacing good talent.

Drafting at the back end of the first is, or atleast seems to me to be, different than even in the teens in terms of the player you're going to get.

They aren't going to grab many blue chippers that late and there will be some flawed players. Not to say bad players, but guys that need development etc.

I think we need to re look at how we eval these guys that are going to go late for the Chiefs. In my Devin Bush thread, we discussed not taking him in the first because he's 5"11. That's not ideal, sure, but it's (IMO) not a nonstarter.

So lets discuss this a bit in this thread. How do we need to change what we're looking for?
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:08 AM   #2
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I think you have to find guys that for one reason or another are great values.

Peters was a great value because of character issues.

Jones was a great value because of depth at the postion in his class.

Hockenson would abe a great value because of depth too, but also combined with positional value.

This is why Jacobs intrigued me a little despite me usually not liking RB in round 1. He’s a RB that doesn’t have a ton of tape. Some reliable people have this guy as a top 10 talent. That’s value.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:17 AM   #3
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I think you have to find guys that for one reason or another are great values.

Peters was a great value because of character issues.

Jones was a great value because of depth at the postion in his class.

Hockenson would abe a great value because of depth too, but also combined with positional value.

This is why Jacobs intrigued me a little despite me usually not liking RB in round 1. Heís a RB that doesnít have a ton of tape. Some reliable people have this guy as a top 10 talent. Thatís value.
He's still a RB though.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:19 AM   #4
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He's still a RB though.
Hence me not pounding the table...
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:19 AM   #5
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One of the things I think is much more important in this spot, is taking guys because of what they can do and having them do that.

Not necessarily not taking them because of what they can't do. If that makes sense?


Guys later are going to have some rough spots. That's fine. Don't ask them to do those things right away.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:21 AM   #6
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Hence me not pounding the table...
I don't think it would matter in discussion of him anyway, I just don't know that Andy values the RB spot that highly.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:23 AM   #7
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I don't think it would matter in discussion of him anyway, I just don't know that Andy values the RB spot that highly.
That could be that case, but he’s still a good example of what I’m getting at here.

The best way to make up for late picks it to find value at those spots.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:24 AM   #8
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That could be that case, but heís still a good example of what Iím getting at here.

The best way to make up for late picks it to find value at those spots.
Exactly.

But I don't think taking a RB in the first round is a good example of that, no matter how good he could be.
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Exactly.

But I don't think taking a RB in the first round is a good example of that, no matter how good he could be.
A top 10-15 talent at 29 is value no matter what way you want to look at it. That’s the definition. But since he’s still a RB, I’d prefer to find value elsewhere.
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My opinion is draft with the depth of the draft rather than against it like the Chiefs have done in recent history. That's where you're going to get good values and I agree with staylor on finding values.

The positions I think will have value are DT, DE, TE, RB, and OG.

Sure, you might need to take a CB or S early because their arent many good ones, but then you need to hit those 2nd and 3rd rounders so go for the values that will slide due to depth of the draft. Good place to probably get a DE, a TE, and a LG or something of the like that sets your team up with depth and future replacements.

Belichick is a genius in this regard. He doesn't generally force selections based on need, hell he even fills immediate needs with mid-level free agents. He just goes with the draft and gets good talent.
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:19 AM   #11
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My opinion is draft with the depth of the draft rather than against it like the Chiefs have done in recent history. That's where you're going to get good values and I agree with staylor on finding values.

The positions I think will have value are DT, DE, TE, RB, and OG.

Sure, you might need to take a CB or S early because their arent many good ones, but then you need to hit those 2nd and 3rd rounders so go for the values that will slide due to depth of the draft. Good place to probably get a DE, a TE, and a LG or something of the like that sets your team up with depth and future replacements.

Belichick is a genius in this regard. He doesn't generally force selections based on need, hell he even fills immediate needs with mid-level free agents. He just goes with the draft and gets good talent.
I would maybe add WR to the positions where the draft is deep?

I also like looking for guys who might fall due to off field issues. Obviously it needs a lot of due diligence to make sure whatever historic issue is gone and then the extra effort to keep the guy on the straight and narrow after you sign him but it really can add a lot of value.
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I think this type of thinking supports taking Jeffery Simmons at the top of the 2nd. He’s got issues but he’s an elite talent and he can hopefully get healthy by the playoffs.
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