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Old 01-31-2019, 09:17 PM  
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Lets talk wide receivers

I'm a big fan of finding a cost controlled receiver via the draft v. trying to find one in free agency.

I liked the intent behind what we were trying to do with Benjamin, but he's a jag and never really opened things up for us in the red zone.

With that said, I was excited to see that 3 of the 4 receivers we talked with at the Senior Bowl are big bodied guys who sit at 6'2 and bigger.

I really like what I saw from Tyre Brady, Jakobi Meyers, and being a big XII fan have become quite familiar with David Sills the past few seasons.

A couple other guys whose game I really like are Hakeem Butler, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, and Lil'Jordan Humphrey.


Arcega-Whiteside and Humphrey especially stick out to me. Whiteside was a McDonald's All-American basketball player coming out of high school and Humphrey is a high point specialist.

With the exception to Butler, who I've seen some people have as high as the third WR in the draft, I think we could snag the rest of those guys in the 3rd or later.
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:22 PM   #2
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I think we should definitely draft one if we can’t sign someone for extremely cheap late in FA. Never enough depth to be had.
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Old 02-01-2019, 12:35 AM   #3
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I wanted UT’s Collin Johnson really bad but he’s returning for his senior year and will end up being an early-mid 1st next year.
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Old 02-01-2019, 01:26 AM   #4
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I wanted UT’s Collin Johnson really bad but he’s returning for his senior year and will end up being an early-mid 1st next year.
Why would he do that? I haven’t paid attention too much but every time I’ve seen UT play, he’s just don’t nothing but make big time ridiculous catches almost always in leverage situations.

Dudes highlight film has to be otherworldly.
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Old 02-01-2019, 06:41 AM   #5
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speed. With Mahomes' arm, we need speed and open field running ability.

**** the big bodies. Possession guys can be found anywhere.

We need another Tyreek.
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Old 02-01-2019, 08:13 AM   #6
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speed. With Mahomes' arm, we need speed and open field running ability.

**** the big bodies. Possession guys can be found anywhere.

We need another Tyreek.

If only Tyler Lockett were available, someone like that would be a perfect fit I think.
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Old 02-01-2019, 08:26 AM   #7
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They need a slot wr to really move the chains.
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Old 02-01-2019, 10:12 AM   #8
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Knowing that they have Watkins for probably only 1 more year, they'll need to do more than hunt for a slot WR. Especially if they don't also make a commitment to Robinson.

This system isn't terribly friendly to rookie WRs so they really should be looking for a legit #2 guy who pairs well with Hill. I know speed is all the rage and it obviously needs to be a high-end consideration, buy we forgot about how physical Watkins is and how ideal that makes him opposite of Hill.

Getting a guy they can count on to make some tough YAC yards underneath and/or go into high-traffic areas and emerge with the ball will be critical.

There are a TON of relatively big-bodies, similarly situated WRs in this draft and I think you could see one of them slide into the late 2nd or to our 3rd pretty easily. If a guy like Courtland Sutton fell to one of our 2s, you'd have to at least give him a long look.

Could Kelvin Harmon slide to the late 2nd? Probably not, but maybe. Riley Ridley in the 3rd? That's probably being hard on him so if he's there in the 2nd do you jump? Skills are there; he may be the best under the radar 'Watkins' type of WR in this draft.

And folks, keep an eye on Emanuel Hall. Some lower body injuries kept his production down but every skill you could possibly want is there apart from physicality - he's not a run through contact kind of guy. He WILL go over the middle and attack the ball, though. I don't think he'll get himself into the 2nd round but I'm betting the combine treats him well. If we haven't made a move at WR yet in the late 3rd and he's there, I'd consider him as well.

And if all else fails, pull up a spreadsheet of WRs that played college ball somewhere in the state of Florida, throw a dart at it and you'll hit SOMEBODY that's 6'1 with a 4.45 40 and character red flags that you can try to mold from the 5th round.
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Old 02-01-2019, 10:24 AM   #9
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Yeah, I’d take Hall in the 3rd. No problem with that.

As a mu fan you will know better but is beckner an option for kc in round 2 to replace bailey?


Also, it sucks because he got hurt this year but Watkins is really a damn good player. If he can stay healthy (he can’t) he’d be a legit top 5 wr especially in this offense I think
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Old 02-01-2019, 10:38 AM   #10
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Yeah, I’d take Hall in the 3rd. No problem with that.

As a mu fan you will know better but is beckner an option for kc in round 2 to replace bailey?


Also, it sucks because he got hurt this year but Watkins is really a damn good player. If he can stay healthy (he can’t) he’d be a legit top 5 wr especially in this offense I think
I dunno what I think about Beckner. He's more of a poor man's Jones to my eyes. Could Jones play the strong-side DE in Spags 4-3 under? Yeah, but he's probably underutilized. And since Beckner is a less explosive version of him, he might not be dynamic enough. My best case scenario version of that player is Houston.

I like Beckner a lot as a kid; just a hell of a good worker. Very coachable, very likeable. I'd love to have him on this team but I don't know that I see a an ideal fit. Had we stayed in the 3-4 I could see him being a good Bailey replacement but in the 4-3 I don't think he works as well.
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Old 02-01-2019, 10:54 AM   #11
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I dunno what I think about Beckner. He's more of a poor man's Jones to my eyes. Could Jones play the strong-side DE in Spags 4-3 under? Yeah, but he's probably underutilized. And since Beckner is a less explosive version of him, he might not be dynamic enough. My best case scenario version of that player is Houston.

I like Beckner a lot as a kid; just a hell of a good worker. Very coachable, very likeable. I'd love to have him on this team but I don't know that I see a an ideal fit. Had we stayed in the 3-4 I could see him being a good Bailey replacement but in the 4-3 I don't think he works as well.
Would just depend where they can get him I guess.

They could move him and Jones around and really make some hay up front but there’s so many other needs on the back end I dunno
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They need a slot wr to really move the chains.
Absolutely. I actually think it's one of the bigger needs on offense. A Baldwin/Sanu type that can just get open and catch the ball on third down to move the chains.

Where is Renfrow projected to go? He showed he could do that in college so he may be able to do it the pros, too.
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Absolutely. I actually think it's one of the bigger needs on offense. A Baldwin/Sanu type that can just get open and catch the ball on third down to move the chains.

Where is Renfrow projected to go? He showed he could do that in college so he may be able to do it the pros, too.
Or you just stop using as much 11 personnel with 3 WRs, move to a base 12 formation and run a lot more twin tight.

If your 2nd TE is a stud, that's gonna be a better 'chain mover' than a WR and a hell of a lot more versatile, especially if you're at/ahead of the sticks.
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Or you just stop using as much 11 personnel with 3 WRs, move to a base 12 formation and run a lot more twin tight.

If your 2nd TE is a stud, that's gonna be a better 'chain mover' than a WR and a hell of a lot more versatile, especially if you're at/ahead of the sticks.
That could definitely help the run game some too

I wouldn’t be opposed to a tight end, but if it comes down to a tight end or a corner early I’d take the corner and try and get a wr later
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Knowing that they have Watkins for probably only 1 more year, they'll need to do more than hunt for a slot WR. Especially if they don't also make a commitment to Robinson.

This system isn't terribly friendly to rookie WRs so they really should be looking for a legit #2 guy who pairs well with Hill. I know speed is all the rage and it obviously needs to be a high-end consideration, buy we forgot about how physical Watkins is and how ideal that makes him opposite of Hill.

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Could Kelvin Harmon slide to the late 2nd? Probably not, but maybe. Riley Ridley in the 3rd? That's probably being hard on him so if he's there in the 2nd do you jump? Skills are there; he may be the best under the radar 'Watkins' type of WR in this draft.

And folks, keep an eye on Emanuel Hall. Some lower body injuries kept his production down but every skill you could possibly want is there apart from physicality - he's not a run through contact kind of guy. He WILL go over the middle and attack the ball, though. I don't think he'll get himself into the 2nd round but I'm betting the combine treats him well. If we haven't made a move at WR yet in the late 3rd and he's there, I'd consider him as well.

And if all else fails, pull up a spreadsheet of WRs that played college ball somewhere in the state of Florida, throw a dart at it and you'll hit SOMEBODY that's 6'1 with a 4.45 40 and character red flags that you can try to mold from the 5th round.
Lil'Jordan Humphrey was the #1 receiver in the nation this year in yards on third down and first downs.

He was also top 10 in YAC and mossed guys on an almost weekly basis.

I'm a Texas homer, but to me he is the perfect compliment to what we are doing on offense right now. The dude knows how to work to get open and to come back to the QB when the play breaks down, is a monster after the catch, and is one of the best high point specialists in the game.

I feel pretty strongly that if it weren't for Texas being down the past few years leading up to this season he'd be an end of first/top of second selection.

Here's a full game clip of him from the WVU game this season. His catches at 1:17 + 5:29 in this video alone should sell folks for wanting him in our offense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqrUPR99gys
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