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**petegz28** · 01-14-2019, 03:42 PM

The Chargers defense did exactly what you don't do when playing Tom Brady

The blueprint for slowing down Tom Brady isn’t a secret: Play tight man-to-man coverage and hope to get some semblance of pressure on him (without having to blitz, preferably).

The blueprint for allowing Brady to march through your defense ain’t exactly a secret, either, and the Chargers followed it to a tee during their 41-28 loss to the Patriots on Sunday. Los Angeles rarely came out of their favored Cover 3 zone — which Chargers defensive coordinator Gus Bradley has been running at a high rate since his days as Seahawks defensive coordinator — and just kind of hoped Brady and New England’s offense would screw up eventually.

It never happened. The Patriots did whatever they wanted offensively — at least in the first half, and it was good enough to all but win the game. The Chargers came out in dime defense early, and New England answered with base personnel (with sets featuring two backs or two tight ends, and sometimes both), which provided a size and strength advantage in the box and allowed the Pats to run for 155 yards on 34 carries. Bradley was praised for playing seven defensive backs at a time against the Ravens, but the strategy did not work at Gillette Stadium, and the Chargers were forced back into a more traditional look with two linebackers on the field.

But personnel wasn’t really the problem with the Chargers’ ill-fated gameplan. Sure, the Patriots ran the ball well, but the passing game was even more efficient. Brady threw for 348 yards on 44 attempts. The problem was Bradley’s insistence on staying in his basic zone coverages, which doomed his defense from the start. Just about everybody watching at home could see this, including Jets DB Jamal Adams, who has been in the league for only two years and already knows you can’t show Brady static zone coverages all game…

Jamal Adams
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The Pats are in 21p & 22p... two backs 1 TE, or 2 backs 2 TE's! You can't have 6 DB's on the field! It just won't work bro! This is old school football!! Just my opinion! Alright I'm gone ✌🏽

Jamal Adams
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@TheAdamsEra
TB12 has been doing this since I was in diapers!! You sitting in zone all game, best believe he will tear you apart!! You have to wrinkle in man switch it up on him, & disguise!!

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Making matters worse, the Chargers, who refused to blitz, could not get close to Brady in the pocket. Los Angeles most likely assumed it could get home with a straight four-man rush with Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram firing off the edges, but once it became apparent that such a strategy would not work, an adjustment was needed.

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From @ESPNStatsInfo: Chargers did not blitz Tom Brady a single time on his 14 dropbacks in 1st quarter In their wild-card round win over the Ravens, the Chargers blitzed Lamar Jackson only 1 time in 38 dropbacks. Overall, Chargers have pressured Brady just once on 19 dropbacks.

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It never really came. The Chargers sent more pressure in the second half, but, by that point, the game was essentially over with the Pats taking a 35-7 lead into the half.

Now, blitzing Brady isn’t really a viable strategy. The 41-year-old has seen every front and blitz a defense can possibly throw at him, and the numbers show he is more effective when an opponent sends five or more rushers. According to Pro Football Focus, Brady’s passer rating jumped to 102.3 against the blitz in 2018 (from 97.7 overall). If the Chargers weren’t willing to blitz, playing man coverage could have helped put more pressure on the pocket. With defenders attached to receivers, the quarterback typically has to hold onto the ball a beat or two longer, which naturally leads to more pressure. And the numbers reflect that.

Via Sports Info Solutions:

“Across the league, Man Coverage has resulted in a 37.9% Pressure Rate compared to 31.2% in Zone.”

The Chargers did not play much man over the course of the season. Only the Colts played man-to-man at lower rather than Los Angeles did in 2018.

On one hand, the argument could be made that asking your players to do something they might not be comfortable doing isn’t the best strategy for the most important game of the season. On the other hand, trying to use your basic gameplan against a Bill Belichick-coached team is asking to be exploited.

So what should the Chargers have done differently? Playing more pattern matching coverages would have made a lot of sense. Pattern matching — which, ironically, was the brainchild of Belichick and some former assistant named Nick Saban — is a combination of man and zone defenses, where defenders are responsible for certain areas on the field (that’s the zone part) but end up matching up with receivers based on the routes they run (the man part).

More and more NFL teams are favoring pattern matching over traditional spot-dropping zones, which is the best way to deal with these spread offenses taking over the league. At the college level, where seemingly every team is running some form of the spread, you’ll rarely find a defense that isn’t playing some sort of match defense.

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You have college teams playing press quarters, match cover 3, safeties coming down to be B-gap players, all sorts of front alignments... but in the NFL the only defense in the playbook is Cover 3 spot drop from an under front

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Not the Chargers, though.

Whether it was playing more man, or blitzing, or pattern matching, the Chargers had to do something different to at least try to slow down Tom Brady. They didn’t, and the result should not have been a surprise.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/nfl...dley-tom-brady

IowaHawkeyeChief · 01-14-2019, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyChuckles

Is Bosa and Ingram couldn't get much pressure, can Houston and Ford?

What will we do differently on the pass rush?

LA was in quick sand from back to back East Coast trips coupled with no noise at Gillette and no interior pressure. Healthy Chiefs coupled with Arrowhead noise and Jones in the middle and it will be a different story.

Gravedigger · 01-14-2019, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyChuckles

Is Bosa and Ingram couldn't get much pressure, can Houston and Ford?

What will we do differently on the pass rush?

Houston and Ford are better than Bosa and Ingram. Everyone listens to how bad Bosa is, how the Chargers pass rush was one of the best ESPECIALLY when Bosa gets back healthy. Turned out to be bullshit, they're middle of the pack.

BWillie · 01-14-2019, 04:27 PM

Yeah it was a terrible game plan by the Chargers DC. You need to at least be adaptable.

But we play almost a totally different defense than the Chargers. We are Tom Brady's nightmare.

JakeF · 01-14-2019, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

I'm tempted to say you put Ward on Edleman all ****ing game long. WArd seems to be in the hip pocket of whomever he covers. I could be wrong about that but that's what I see anyway.

I understand why you want that but Edelman is not the kind of guy that would be ideal for Ward to cover. Ward is bigger and physical while Edelmann is smaller and quick.

If Berry doesn't play we probably should put Ward on Gronk. I don't even think that Nelson can cover Edelman, Fuller is our only chance. If Fuller doesn't work we are going to need to double Edelman.

We can't let Edelman destroy us.
We can't let Edelman destroy us.
We can't let Edelman destroy us.
We can't let Edelman destroy us.

KChiefs1 · 01-14-2019, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

So, kill Tom Brady?

Yip

OlineDline · 01-14-2019, 04:38 PM

I always find it hilarious that there is a "recipe" to beat the Pats but no one will use it.

Ridiculous.

**Gadzooks** · 01-14-2019, 04:39 PM

The Chargers went with 7 DBs against the Ravens and were lauded as geniuses for it since it countered Balt's speed, however this was done out of necessity rather than a premeditated plan. 3 of their ILBs were on IR so this was their best option as opposed to playing clunky 4th, 5th and 6th string ILBs.
I knew that the Patriots would start by establishing a power running game. Lining up in the "I" and running it down their throats, which they did. This also opened the play action game for Brady. Oh, and the Chargers O-Line forgot how to pass protect.
KC should be fine as long as their secondary holds up.

Gravedigger · 01-14-2019, 04:39 PM

If there's one team I do trust Bob Sutton to coach against, it's the Patriots. We always play them tough and figure them out.

The last four games of the Bob Sutton era against the Patriots his defense has allowed:

10/14/18 - 43 Points
09/7/17 - 27 Points
01/16/16 - 27 Points
09/29/14 - 14 Points

The last few years we had Marcus Peters, which for all his shortcomings, was a pretty great man to man corner in this system. In the first three years of Bob Suttons defenses we were ranked top 10 in many categories. The last three have been worse and worse, as is evidenced by the point differential.

I would say we didn't have things figured out at the beginning of the season, but I do believe our defense is finally starting to come together at the right point, and for whatever reason Sutton's scheme keeps Tom Brady from looking like Tom Brady. We never had a QB who could fight back under Alex Smith, so Tom would get a lead and just not blow it, daring Alex to lead the offense to come back against a middle of the pack defense. Now that Mahomes is across the field, with our defense that seems to have Brady figured out for the most part, I bet they're scared. Of course you can't tell from Bill Belichick's animated expressions and Tom's diva cockiness, but the fans know and they'll be ready this Sunday. Does all that mean that we'll win? Of course not, either we will or we won't at this point, but it sure as shit means we can.

ModSocks · 01-14-2019, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OlineDline

I always find it hilarious that there is a "recipe" to beat the Pats but no one will use it.

Ridiculous.

The recipe is easy. You still gotta cook it though.

O.city · 01-14-2019, 04:48 PM

I'd load up and stop the run first. It's taboo to say, but i'd make brady have to beat me throwing it and just hope I can get there.

sedated · 01-14-2019, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

But we play almost a totally different defense than the Chargers. We are Tom Brady's nightmare.

NE scored 43 against this defense.

JakeF · 01-14-2019, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OlineDline

I always find it hilarious that there is a "recipe" to beat the Pats but no one will use it.

Ridiculous.

What recipe are you talking about?

ModSocks · 01-14-2019, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

NE scored 43 against this defense.

Sutton was playing a lot of 3-man rush iirc. They need to play Brady the way they played Luck.

**petegz28** · 01-14-2019, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

NE scored 43 against this defense.

No Houston
No Sorenson
No Berry
No Ward
No Lucas

Hell, you had Parker and Shaw and Scandrick in that secondary.

They didn't score 43 on "this" defense....

DenverChief · 01-14-2019, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

I still think we go with a 5-man defensive line. That's our best setup to stop the run and also rush the passer. 5-2-4

Houston, Nnadi, Jones, Williams, Ford
Hitchens, O'Daniel
Nelson, Fuller, Berry, Ward

Fuller needs to play a great game covering Edelman. I hope that Berry is healthy enough to cover Gronk.

We need Jones attacking Brady right up the middle.

Hate to burst your bubble but it's most likely going to be
Houston, Nnadi, Jones, Williams, Ford
Hitchens, Ragland
Ward, Fuller, Lucas, Sorenson (Nelson as the nickle)

01-14-2019, 03:42 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2844127	The Chargers defense did exactly what you don't do when playing Tom Brady The Chargers defense did exactly what you don't do when playing Tom Brady The blueprint for slowing down Tom Brady isn’t a secret: Play tight man-to-man coverage and hope to get some semblance of pressure on him (without having to blitz, preferably). The blueprint for allowing Brady to march through your defense ain’t exactly a secret, either, and the Chargers followed it to a tee during their 41-28 loss to the Patriots on Sunday. Los Angeles rarely came out of their favored Cover 3 zone — which Chargers defensive coordinator Gus Bradley has been running at a high rate since his days as Seahawks defensive coordinator — and just kind of hoped Brady and New England’s offense would screw up eventually. It never happened. The Patriots did whatever they wanted offensively — at least in the first half, and it was good enough to all but win the game. The Chargers came out in dime defense early, and New England answered with base personnel (with sets featuring two backs or two tight ends, and sometimes both), which provided a size and strength advantage in the box and allowed the Pats to run for 155 yards on 34 carries. Bradley was praised for playing seven defensive backs at a time against the Ravens, but the strategy did not work at Gillette Stadium, and the Chargers were forced back into a more traditional look with two linebackers on the field. But personnel wasn’t really the problem with the Chargers’ ill-fated gameplan. Sure, the Patriots ran the ball well, but the passing game was even more efficient. Brady threw for 348 yards on 44 attempts. The problem was Bradley’s insistence on staying in his basic zone coverages, which doomed his defense from the start. Just about everybody watching at home could see this, including Jets DB Jamal Adams, who has been in the league for only two years and already knows you can’t show Brady static zone coverages all game… Jamal Adams ✔ @TheAdamsEra · Jan 13, 2019 The Pats are in 21p & 22p... two backs 1 TE, or 2 backs 2 TE's! You can't have 6 DB's on the field! It just won't work bro! This is old school football!! Just my opinion! Alright I'm gone ✌🏽 Jamal Adams ✔ @TheAdamsEra TB12 has been doing this since I was in diapers!! You sitting in zone all game, best believe he will tear you apart!! You have to wrinkle in man switch it up on him, & disguise!! 2,019 1:23 PM - Jan 13, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 395 people are talking about this Making matters worse, the Chargers, who refused to blitz, could not get close to Brady in the pocket. Los Angeles most likely assumed it could get home with a straight four-man rush with Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram firing off the edges, but once it became apparent that such a strategy would not work, an adjustment was needed. Mike Reiss ✔ @MikeReiss From @ESPNStatsInfo: Chargers did not blitz Tom Brady a single time on his 14 dropbacks in 1st quarter In their wild-card round win over the Ravens, the Chargers blitzed Lamar Jackson only 1 time in 38 dropbacks. Overall, Chargers have pressured Brady just once on 19 dropbacks. 215 1:07 PM - Jan 13, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 55 people are talking about this It never really came. The Chargers sent more pressure in the second half, but, by that point, the game was essentially over with the Pats taking a 35-7 lead into the half. Now, blitzing Brady isn’t really a viable strategy. The 41-year-old has seen every front and blitz a defense can possibly throw at him, and the numbers show he is more effective when an opponent sends five or more rushers. According to Pro Football Focus, Brady’s passer rating jumped to 102.3 against the blitz in 2018 (from 97.7 overall). If the Chargers weren’t willing to blitz, playing man coverage could have helped put more pressure on the pocket. With defenders attached to receivers, the quarterback typically has to hold onto the ball a beat or two longer, which naturally leads to more pressure. And the numbers reflect that. Via Sports Info Solutions: “Across the league, Man Coverage has resulted in a 37.9% Pressure Rate compared to 31.2% in Zone.” The Chargers did not play much man over the course of the season. Only the Colts played man-to-man at lower rather than Los Angeles did in 2018. On one hand, the argument could be made that asking your players to do something they might not be comfortable doing isn’t the best strategy for the most important game of the season. On the other hand, trying to use your basic gameplan against a Bill Belichick-coached team is asking to be exploited. So what should the Chargers have done differently? Playing more pattern matching coverages would have made a lot of sense. Pattern matching — which, ironically, was the brainchild of Belichick and some former assistant named Nick Saban — is a combination of man and zone defenses, where defenders are responsible for certain areas on the field (that’s the zone part) but end up matching up with receivers based on the routes they run (the man part). More and more NFL teams are favoring pattern matching over traditional spot-dropping zones, which is the best way to deal with these spread offenses taking over the league. At the college level, where seemingly every team is running some form of the spread, you’ll rarely find a defense that isn’t playing some sort of match defense. Seth Galina @SethGalina You have college teams playing press quarters, match cover 3, safeties coming down to be B-gap players, all sorts of front alignments... but in the NFL the only defense in the playbook is Cover 3 spot drop from an under front 77 1:54 PM - Jan 13, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 23 people are talking about this Not the Chargers, though. Whether it was playing more man, or blitzing, or pattern matching, the Chargers had to do something different to at least try to slow down Tom Brady. They didn’t, and the result should not have been a surprise. https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/nfl...dley-tom-brady
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Gadzooks MFIC Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tromsø, Norway Casino cash: $3879219	The Chargers went with 7 DBs against the Ravens and were lauded as geniuses for it since it countered Balt's speed, however this was done out of necessity rather than a premeditated plan. 3 of their ILBs were on IR so this was their best option as opposed to playing clunky 4th, 5th and 6th string ILBs. I knew that the Patriots would start by establishing a power running game. Lining up in the "I" and running it down their throats, which they did. This also opened the play action game for Brady. Oh, and the Chargers O-Line forgot how to pass protect. KC should be fine as long as their secondary holds up.
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Gravedigger Plays to win the game! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $7343101	If there's one team I do trust Bob Sutton to coach against, it's the Patriots. We always play them tough and figure them out. The last four games of the Bob Sutton era against the Patriots his defense has allowed: 10/14/18 - 43 Points 09/7/17 - 27 Points 01/16/16 - 27 Points 09/29/14 - 14 Points The last few years we had Marcus Peters, which for all his shortcomings, was a pretty great man to man corner in this system. In the first three years of Bob Suttons defenses we were ranked top 10 in many categories. The last three have been worse and worse, as is evidenced by the point differential. I would say we didn't have things figured out at the beginning of the season, but I do believe our defense is finally starting to come together at the right point, and for whatever reason Sutton's scheme keeps Tom Brady from looking like Tom Brady. We never had a QB who could fight back under Alex Smith, so Tom would get a lead and just not blow it, daring Alex to lead the offense to come back against a middle of the pack defense. Now that Mahomes is across the field, with our defense that seems to have Brady figured out for the most part, I bet they're scared. Of course you can't tell from Bill Belichick's animated expressions and Tom's diva cockiness, but the fans know and they'll be ready this Sunday. Does all that mean that we'll win? Of course not, either we will or we won't at this point, but it sure as shit means we can.
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