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Old 06-26-2014, 06:05 PM  
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Pacific Rim sequel scheduled for 2017
They are also planning a Pacific Rim animated series. IT'S TIME TO RE-CANCEL THE APOCALYPSE.

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Old 06-29-2014, 02:51 PM   #31
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And I think the original comment stands. If you dislike the best best example of a genre, how can you not dislike the genre? That's like saying I don't have a problem with eggs. I just haven't had one I liked yet.
I think your problem is the assumption that you calling it the "best best example of a genre" means that it actually is. When the reality is that it's just one guy's opinion. Same as someone else, say me for example, saying they don't think Pacific Rim was all that great a movie because as cool as the robots and kaiju models were, many of the shots were just too tight to make coherent action beats, or because much of the plot and nearly all of the individual character beats in the movie (which were clearly prominent parts of the movie) just weren't done very well.

Saying that doesn't mean I hate kaiju movies, it just means I had some issues with this one. Things that I thought should have been done better, with both the technology and the quality of the talent involved, both in front of and behind the camera. YMMV and I'm completely fine with you not having the same qualms with the movie that I did. I'm not trying to convince you or anybody else of anything, just explaining why I didn't quite love it. It just wasn't quite the movie I hoped it was going to be, with all the folks involved. I was disappointed. Didn't hate it. Not saying it was bad. Just that I hope #2 is a bit... more.
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Old 06-29-2014, 03:07 PM   #32
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I think your problem is the assumption that you calling it the "best best example of a genre" means that it actually is. When the reality is that it's just one guy's opinion. Same as someone else, say me for example, saying they don't think Pacific Rim was all that great a movie because as cool as the robots and kaiju models were, many of the shots were just too tight to make coherent action beats, or because much of the plot and nearly all of the individual character beats in the movie (which were clearly prominent parts of the movie) just weren't done very well.

Saying that doesn't mean I hate kaiju movies, it just means I had some issues with this one. Things that I thought should have been done better, with both the technology and the quality of the talent involved, both in front of and behind the camera. YMMV and I'm completely fine with you not having the same qualms with the movie that I did. I'm not trying to convince you or anybody else of anything, just explaining why I didn't quite love it. It just wasn't quite the movie I hoped it was going to be, with all the folks involved. I was disappointed. Didn't hate it. Not saying it was bad. Just that I hope #2 is a bit... more.
That's fine, but tell me which movie has done it right in your opinion? You're asking for more than this genre has ever produced. Please show me a better example of the genre that meets your expectations.

I don't know about the talent behind the camera, but in front of it? Yeah, wasn't expecting any Oscar performances here. I think the main point for many of the fans of the movie is that this genre has never been about plots, or story arcs, or character development. It's been about massive creatures/robots fighting each other. That's it. The rest is just filler in-between what the real movie is about.

Like porn, that filler is intended to get you to the action as quickly as possible. This genre is not Sex in the City. It's Debbie Does Dallas.
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Old 06-29-2014, 09:57 PM   #33
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Can you point to something in the genre from the past 20 years that was better?
keg in kc has done a pretty good job with the responses. I'll let his words stand for me, to this point.
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Old 06-30-2014, 06:28 AM   #34
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OK, so just to be clear. It is OK to be a fan of a genre, even if you dislike everything within that genre?
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Old 06-30-2014, 07:36 AM   #35
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Hunnam was about as wooden as it gets for a lead.
If I didn't like Hunnam for his role in SoA... I probably would have thought the casting for the lead role was "meh". But honestly, in a movie like this, I didn't care... it's more about big ****ing robots that kick ass.
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Old 06-30-2014, 10:52 AM   #36
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I enjoyed the first one. Thought it was fun and loved the aesthetic. I understand all the critiques too, but in the end, I had fun watching it, and that's all I really wanted out of that movie.
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Old 06-30-2014, 02:33 PM   #37
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The following is my opinion:

The characters sucked, the story made no sense, and I was not impressed with the overall look of the film.

The FX were great. The monsters and mechs looked great. The framing around the action was terrible and distracted from what could have been a much better movie.

JMO of course. Not really too concerned with a sequel unless they it's with a whole new cast of characters that might be interesting.
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:31 PM   #38
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OK, so just to be clear. It is OK to be a fan of a genre, even if you dislike everything within that genre?
Who took any such position?
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:33 PM   #39
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I thought the 1st one was the ultimate popcorn movie done right...
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I thought it was good and fun. Not a great film, but fun. I think it pretty much fit into Del Toro's style. Hes a quirky and unique film maker. He doesnt really make huge audience pleasers like a Michael Bay. His movies are shot dark and murky.
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Who took any such position?
I think they are saying anyone that likes the genre, but hated the movie and has not stated which movies are better than it. Those people.

I agree, if you said you hated the movie for what it was, you need to provide a better movie.
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Who took any such position?
I'm just asking those who didn't like this movie, but profess to like the genre, to give me an example of this genre done right. So far, I'd equate the disparaging comments I've seen as someone going to a Keystone Cops film and then complaining that everybody kept falling down.

Award winning acting and character driven story arcs were never a part of this genre. If you bitch about the absurdity of an Evil Dead movie and someone suggests Bruce Campbell movies might not be for you, a response along the lines of "I'm fine with the genre. Army of Darkness just wasn't very good" just doesn't make sense.

What "wasn't very good" to you is present in every other film of the genre, including the new Godzilla movie everybody has the same complaints about. We've already lost the vampire et al genre to tweens and Danielle Steele. Please don't try turning giant robot / monster fighting movies into some sort of Days of Our Lives drama.

More Robots, Less Crying
More Monsters, Less Romance
More Fighting, Less Drama

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I'm just asking those who didn't like this movie, but profess to like the genre, to give me an example of this genre done right.
No, that's not what you're doing. What you're doing is claiming that people who didn't think this was a very good movie don't like the genre. I happen to love the genre, but I don't view every movie in the genre equally.

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So far, I'd equate the disparaging comments I've seen as someone going to a Keystone Cops film and then complaining that everybody kept falling down.
And I'd equate your posts with low level trolling.

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Award winning acting and character driven story arcs were never a part of this genre. If you bitch about the absurdity of an Evil Dead movie and someone suggests Bruce Campbell movies might not be for you, a response along the lines of "I'm fine with the genre. Army of Darkness just wasn't very good" just doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense. You don't get to decide which Bruce Campbell films they must prefer, just as you don't get to decide which Kaiju movies they must prefer.

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What "wasn't very good" to you is present in every other film of the genre, including the new Godzilla movie everybody has the same complaints about. We've already lost the vampire et al genre to tweens and Danielle Steele. Please don't try turning giant robot / monster fighting movies into some sort of Days of Our Lives drama.
No, what wasn't very good to me was Pacific Rim, which I found to be lacking in overall appeal. And it has nothing to do with any sort of Days of Our Lives drama. If you want to bitch about that sort of drama, though, Pacific Rim almost had a disaster happen because a character was flashing back to a childhood memory, it had Goose v. Iceman, only Iceman had to bow out of the big scene because he was injured, and Del Toro even threw in the co-pilots with romantic and sexual tension angle on top of that, for crying out loud.

I hope Del Toro does a better job the next time.
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I liked Pacific Rim and did not like the Transformers movies...

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