Has Reid fixed what wasn’t broken?

[mr. tegu]

Great win today. But the offense and situational manage to continues to not be good.

What’s most troubling to me is the dynamics of the offense have been pretty much reduced to a more normal level. Mahomes has really reduced his willingness lately to throw down field, especially on third down. Without breaking everything down I can’t give numbers but I think we all see Mahomes being too willing to check it down and not throw beyond the sticks on third downs given the chance. The third down check down late to Hill comes to mind. He had two options wide open right in his field of vision but didn’t go there. Sometimes he has good pockets and sometimes not, but that was the case all last season too. We haven’t protected him well with any consistent so I don’t view that as the main culprit.

So what’s the issue? Reid encouraging him to “take what the defense gives you” too much? Reid calling plays that encourage short plays too much? Mahomes not reading the field correctly? Mahomes bailing from clean pockets too often?

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

what kind of dumb **** would down vote that?

Patriotards

[FlintHillsChiefs]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Great win today. But the offense and situational manage to continues to not be good.

What’s most troubling to me is the dynamics of the offense have been pretty much reduced to a more normal level. Mahomes has really reduced his willingness lately to throw down field, especially on third down. Without breaking everything down I can’t give numbers but I think we all see Mahomes being too willing to check it down and not throw beyond the sticks on third downs given the chance. The third down check down late to Hill comes to mind. He had two options wide open right in his field of vision but didn’t go there. Sometimes he has good pockets and sometimes not, but that was the case all last season too. We haven’t protected him well with any consistent so I don’t view that as the main culprit.

So what’s the issue? Reid encouraging him to “take what the defense gives you” too much? Reid calling plays that encourage short plays too much? Mahomes not reading the field correctly? Mahomes bailing from clean pockets too often?

**** off.

Seriously go sit on a pineapple.

So sick and tired of idiots thinking they know more than one of the best coaches in the history of the NFL

[Megatron96]

Pat threw one pass in the second half over 25 yards in the second half (IIRC), after that he threw underneath. And that ball was underthrown. Pretty sure that was because of his hand. Also, I think Reid called a lot more running plays in the second half. And he'd just gashed a Pats for 17 points in the 2nd quarter. I'm hoping whatever is wrong with Mahomes' hand is minor and that he'll be fine in a few days.

[scho63]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Tell us precisely how you would have changed the play-calling.

1. Not one jet sweep or using Tyreek or Hardman coming around end. Waste

2. Every run was the same up the gut

3. I can't remember one screen, either direct or misdirection in the second half.

4. Only one deep throw attempt to Tyreek in 2nd half and he was double covered. (Not Reid's fault)

I did like some of the late Mahomes passes for 5-6 yards towards the sidelines that chewed up clock and moved the chains.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by FlintHillsChiefs

**** off.



Seriously go sit on a pineapple.



So sick and tired of idiots thinking they know more than one of the best coaches in the history of the NFL

Unfortunately Reid has earned a lot of the questions about his coaching that come his way. Asking the questions and discussing them doesn’t mean thinking knowing more than him. Logic failure here from you.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by tmoshow

I don’t think this is all Reid, mahomes has happy feet, interior of the line has been awful. You seen him running backwards instead of stepping up in the pocket at times. He has 3 games to figure it out before the playoffs but confident he will.

Exactly!

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

Scho, you are a good dude - but you are wrong here.
Andy dialed up some awesome plays in the 2nd half:
-A wide open Tyreek in the middle of the end zone, Pat passed it up.
-He had Robinson on a post wide open MOF that he hung onto too long and threw it away.
-Had Kelce down the sideline with leverage late needing 10, but threw it short of the sticks
- Next series he checked down to Hill needing more yards but had both Watkins and Kelce crossing at levels that would have easily converted a first down.

Patrick was ultra conservative with his decision making late in the game, and he is not trusting that Oline. That is to be sure. Reiter seems to be the biggest issue right now. Schwartz was off today too....

I have noticed Reiter getting pushed back a lot lately. Perhaps it has been there all along and I didn't notice but the last two games he has been getting dominated at the LOS.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Unfortunately Reid has earned a lot of the questions about his coaching that come his way. Asking the questions and discussing them doesn’t mean thinking knowing more than him. Logic failure here from you.

I like Reid but I thought your comments were legitimate questions. Hopefully, Reid and staff recognize this. And Reid is known as a QB whisperer so he should be able to get Mahomes playing better hopefully by the time the playoffs roll around.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by scho63

1. Not one jet sweep or using Tyreek or Hardman coming around end. Waste

Chiefs were running this motion all night. They didn't hand the ball because NE is disciplined. It was effective.

2. Every run was the same up the gut

This is wrong. Watch the game.

3. I can't remember one screen, either direct or misdirection in the second half.

YOU AND EVERY OTHER SECOND-GUESSING A-HOLE DOESN'T WANT ANDY TO EVER THROW SCREENS. Make up your mind. There was TONS of misdirections. Watch the game.

[Chris Meck]

GUYS, IT'S THE OFFENSIVE LINE.

I keep trying to tell you.

They're not very good inside, which limits the stuff we like to do. We can't do all the pulling and trapping like we did last year, because they're getting their ass kicked. That's the stuff that opened holes for the running backs. Injuries in those spots is part of the problem, but even the starters inside aren't very good. They still do SOME, but not like before, and not nearly as effectively as when it was Morse in there.

It's also why Patrick's getting happy feet and bailing too early. Because most of the time, one of those three inside gets whipped at the snap.

Reid would be insane if he didn't change the play calling. He's doing what he has to do.

I don't know why you guys can't see it. Try this next game: just watch the line. Watch them on every play. Don't watch Patrick (hard to do I know) but watch what happens up front.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

GUYS, IT'S THE OFFENSIVE LINE.

I keep trying to tell you.

They're not very good inside, which limits the stuff we like to do. We can't do all the pulling and trapping like we did last year, because they're getting their ass kicked. That's the stuff that opened holes for the running backs. Injuries in those spots is part of the problem, but even the starters inside aren't very good. They still do SOME, but not like before, and not nearly as effectively as when it was Morse in there.

It's also why Patrick's getting happy feet and bailing too early. Because most of the time, one of those three inside gets whipped at the snap.

Reid would be insane if he didn't change the play calling. He's doing what he has to do.

I don't know why you guys can't see it. Try this next game: just watch the line. Watch them on every play. Don't watch Patrick (hard to do I know) but watch what happens up front.

This is accurate. So accurate. The Oline ****s itself with an AIDSstick covered in antifreeze. Daily.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Unfortunately Reid has earned a lot of the questions about his coaching that come his way. Asking the questions and discussing them doesn’t mean thinking knowing more than him. Logic failure here from you.

This is also accurate.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Is it the Alexification of Mahomes by Reid?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Pretty much. Not sure how that's on Big Andy...

Even the first drive it looked like he settled for forcing a couple of underneath routes when it appeared he had some routes breaking open behind them but wouldn't take the extra beat to go after them.

Mahomes looked pretty rough yesterday. The hand was obviously a factor as he was throwing balls without the customary zip. But the decision-making was different. He's feeling a lot of pressure that isn't there.

The good news is that it's not that sort of "Derek Carr Panic" where he feels phantom pressure and quits on a play. Even when he gets jittery, he's trying to move around and find a play to make. So I don't think he's 'broken' - he's just gotten into the habit of feeling like he HAS to make something happen and can't just run the offense.

Because this idea that Reid has neutered Mahomes is asinine. There are still downfield routes that are breaking open and guys for Mahomes to attack with downfield if he'll do it. He just isn't showing as much interest in it. That's not really on Andy - it's just that Mahomes isn't feelin' it right now. Here's hoping more reps (ideally more where he isn't taking blitzing LBers into his spleen) will get him a little more confident and have him back where he started the season.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Pat threw one pass in the second half over 25 yards in the second half (IIRC), after that he threw underneath. And that ball was underthrown. Pretty sure that was because of his hand. Also, I think Reid called a lot more running plays in the second half. And he'd just gashed a Pats for 17 points in the 2nd quarter. I'm hoping whatever is wrong with Mahomes' hand is minor and that he'll be fine in a few days.

I think that's because the Pats have (had) the #1 defense in league and took away the deep stuff, so we moved the ball in the most efficient way possible against the league's #1 ranked defense.

That drive to open the 3rd chewed so much clock and wore the defense down. Despite the penalties and Kelce's miscue, we played pretty much the perfect game to beat the Pats. In their house.

No QB under the age of 25 has ever done that before. Ever.