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Old 09-22-2019, 08:14 AM  
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Trump Didn’t Bribe Ukraine. It’s Actually Worse Than That.

Trump Didn’t Bribe Ukraine. It’s Actually Worse Than That.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ukraine-228151

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It’s easy to see why Trump’s alleged conduct has generated outrage and why lay people have rushed to describe it as categorically criminal. Using presidential power to withhold aid to a nation that was recently invaded by Russia unless they investigate your political rival sounds like the definition of a criminal quid pro quo. The possibility that Trump pressured another nation to interfere in the next presidential election on his behalf—not long after the completion of a multi-year investigation into interference in the 2016 election by Russia on his behalf—is jaw-dropping.

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First, it gives the false impression that this is something the criminal justice system can deal with. But the criminal system is not built to handle misconduct by a president who is acting corruptly through the use of his immense constitutional powers in this manner.

Second, it suggests that if critics can point out that it is not really bribery or extortion, then it is not a huge problem, which is not true. This is already happening, as allies of the president assert that there was no explicit quid pro quo.

Third, it may give the public a false impression about what happened. Impeachment in many respects is a political act, and that means Congress needs public support to pursue it. Anything that confuses or fails to persuade the public is therefore counterproductive.

Finally, it understates the magnitude of the alleged misconduct. Labeling Trump’s alleged conduct as “bribery” or “extortion” cheapens what is alleged to have occurred and does not capture what makes it wrongful. It’s not a crime—it’s a breach of the president’s duty not to use the powers of the presidency to benefit himself. And he invited a foreign nation to influence the 2020 election on the heels of a nearly three-year investigation that proved Russia had tried to influence the last presidential election.
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Old 09-22-2019, 12:40 PM   #31
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Old 09-22-2019, 01:42 PM   #33
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The whistleblower’s allegation (whatever it really is) isn’t based on what he himself has witnessed. That’s the hearsay. The details about what really went on are still undeveloped/unverified. That’s the rumor.
Why do you think that?
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Old 09-22-2019, 02:01 PM   #34
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"The whistleblower didn't have direct knowledge of the communications, an official briefed on the matter told CNN. Instead, the whistleblower's concerns came in part from learning information that was not obtained during the course of their work,..."
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/20/pol...-whistleblower
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Old 09-22-2019, 02:24 PM   #35
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Old 09-22-2019, 02:37 PM   #36
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Sounds like there's a rumor that it's hearsay to me
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Old 09-22-2019, 02:43 PM   #37
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Old 09-22-2019, 02:45 PM   #38
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Old 09-22-2019, 02:49 PM   #39
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Sounds like there's a rumor that it's hearsay to me
Sounds like you're deseperate for ANYTHING to try and send Trump down the river with.

But while we wait on this event to be the thing that gets Trump on the chopping block, tell us more about the fabled Mueller Dossier and how it was supposed to destroy Trump, grandpa.
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Old 09-22-2019, 02:51 PM   #40
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Sounds like there's a rumor that it's hearsay to me
Sure, so maybe you should join those of us waiting to see what this is really about instead of fantasizing about impeachment scenarios.
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Old 09-22-2019, 02:52 PM   #41
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If only the white house weren't stonewalling congress and preventing the whistleblower complain from being turned over, we could do just that!
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Old 09-22-2019, 02:59 PM   #42
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If only the white house weren't stonewalling congress and preventing the whistleblower complain from being turned over, we could do just that!
DNC paid $400k to dig up dirt in Ukraine in 2016 to influence our election
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Old 09-22-2019, 03:01 PM   #43
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If only the white house weren't stonewalling congress and preventing the whistleblower complain from being turned over, we could do just that!
There are competing interests at stake in that dispute that have to be resolved. I expect that it will work itself out and that both Congress and the public will learn more in time.

It would be quite rich for anyone who didn’t consider it a scandal that Obama’s IC failed to share the fact that they were investigating candidate/POTUS elect Trump with the appropriate Congressional leadership to now insist that disclosure is the highest priority.
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