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Old 08-23-2019, 04:38 PM  
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:39 AM   #106
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Man I just donít know about that

I think Hill is a bit of an outlier. You take him away from the offense and they become easier to defense. Belicheck said the same thing
I remember hearing that the top offenses of all-time never won a Super Bowl.

2013 Broncos
2018 Chiefs
2007 Patriots
2011 Packers
1998 Vikings
2011 Saints
2016 Falcons
1990 Bills

To my knowledge, the 1999 Greatest Show on Turf Rams are the only one who won a Lombardi
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:41 AM   #107
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I remember hearing that the top offenses of all-time never won a Super Bowl.

2013 Broncos
2018 Chiefs
2007 Patriots
2011 Packers
1998 Vikings
2011 Saints
2016 Falcons
1990 Bills

To my knowledge, the 1999 Greatest Show on Turf Rams are the only one who won a Lombardi
But how many of those teams made it to the champ game or the super bowl?

Itís hard to win man. But the chiefs historic offense got them about as close as possible to a super bowl. Once you get that far youíre gonna have to play other elite teams
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:43 AM   #108
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Hardman changes that conversation
Hardman hasnít caught a pass from Mahomes in a game yet

Letís pump the brakes a bit
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:45 AM   #109
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But how many of those teams made it to the champ game or the super bowl?

It’s hard to win man. But the chiefs historic offense got them about as close as possible to a super bowl. Once you get that far you’re gonna have to play other elite teams
Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:47 AM   #110
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I don’t like this thought process that Hardman can just step in a be Tyreek Light... are we forgetting that Watkins is far from a guarantee to be out there all season long?

I don’t see them trading Hill at all right now. But if they did, good chance you see our WR lineup as Hardman, D-Rob, and ?..... for at least a couple weeks.

Yuck.
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:48 AM   #111
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Hardman hasnít caught a pass from Mahomes in a game yet

Letís pump the brakes a bit
devils advocate

Mahomes wouldnít stop being Mahomes if we lose Hill. He would still have multiple top shelf receiving targets. Hardman isnít proven, but his talents are undeniable.

The defense NEEDS a top shelf corner to have the ability to play aggressive.
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:48 AM   #112
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Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot
Terrell Owens.
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:53 AM   #113
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I donít like this thought process that Hardman can just step in a be Tyreek Light... are we forgetting that Watkins is far from a guarantee to be out there all season long?

I donít see them trading Hill at all right now. But if they did, good chance you see our WR lineup as Hardman, D-Rob, and ?..... for at least a couple weeks.

Yuck.
We can all agree to not trading him now. Next Spring is a good debate
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Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot
What about the other times he had Jim Johnson? Why didnít he go then?
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devils advocate

Mahomes wouldnít stop being Mahomes if we lose Hill. He would still have multiple top shelf receiving targets. Hardman isnít proven, but his talents are undeniable.

The defense NEEDS a top shelf corner to have the ability to play aggressive.
I donít think you need a top shelf corner anymore

They need solid play everywhere
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:59 AM   #116
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If they trade him this close to week 1, fire everyone.
Belichick traded starting safety and stud player Lawyer Milloy to Buffalo, before Week One vs. Buffalo. Buffalo then kicked the shit out of the Patriots, I think it was something like 28-0, resulting in the now famous quote, ďThis team hates their coach.Ē They won the Super Bowl that year.

Mahomes is all that matters. Heís the new Brady for the next 15 years. Give him even half-decent talent and heíll elevate it.
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Old 08-24-2019, 10:01 AM   #117
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I do not want to trade Tyreek.
I do not think we will trade Tyreek.

That said... if we did... my thoughts below:

ē The Chiefs probably spent time this Spring imagining an offense and team in 2019 without Tyreek because of the drama, even if for just a short time. They had to think through contingency plans.
ē The Chiefs probably spent time imagining an offense and team in 2020 and beyond without Tyreek because of his, Jonesí and Patís contracts. He has Rosenhaus as his agent.
ē That plan could have included Tremonís move to offense (failed test) and signing DAT (distraction speed - meh).
ē If their plan is good enough in their minds, and if the payment is good enough, then they consider a trade.
ē Not one player Veach has sent packing via cut or trade has gone on to do shit. I trust him in this area.
ē Obviously Tyreek is different. But no one can use Tyreek like Reid and Pat.
ē Teams may think they are buying low on Tyreek because of timing and drama, but the Chiefs would not sell him low.

ē One trade Iíd consider: Tyreek for PP and the Cardsí 2020 1st. Thatís an elite corner for 10 games + playoffs and a top-5 pick.
ē Another trade to consider: Tyreek for Jalen Ramsey. Talent wise, itís a net loss, but you pay a tax for moving the talent to the other side of the ball. Money-wise, this trade does not make sense.
ē Only other trade I would consider: 2 first rounders from a really shitty team.
based on those thoughts you go for it...Peterson or Ramsey have to be part of the equation though
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I remember hearing that the top offenses of all-time never won a Super Bowl.

2013 Broncos
2018 Chiefs
2007 Patriots
2011 Packers
1998 Vikings
2011 Saints
2016 Falcons
1990 Bills

To my knowledge, the 1999 Greatest Show on Turf Rams are the only one who won a Lombardi
How many great defenses didnít go on to win the Super Bowl as well?
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Reid's postseason Philly and pre-Mahomes KC records before and after Jim Johnson are pretty clear..
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That says an awful lot
Not really...
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