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Old 08-19-2019, 03:42 PM  
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Daily Beast: Study Links Fluoridated Water During Pregnancy to Lower IQs



An influential medical journal published a study Monday that links fluoride consumption during pregnancy with lower childhood IQs—a finding that could undermine decades of public-health messaging, fire up conspiracy theorists, and alarm mothers-to-be.

The research was expected to be so controversial that JAMA Pediatrics included an editor’s note saying the decision to publish it was not easy and that it was subjected to “additional scrutiny.”

“It is the only editor’s note I’ve ever written,” Dimitri Christakis, editor in chief of JAMA Pediatrics and a pediatrician, told The Daily Beast. “There was concern on the journal’s editorial team about how this would play out in the public eye and what the public-health implications would be.”

About three-fourths of the United States drinks fluoridated tap water—which the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention declared one of the 10 greatest public-health achievements of the 20th century because it dramatically reduces tooth decay.

A handful of earlier studies have suggested that prenatal fluoride exposure could affect neurodevelopment, but many experts considered those to be substandard.

The new study, vetted by the premier medical publisher in the U.S., is seen as more rigorous, although some experts found it unconvincing, saying the results were statistically borderline and the methodology was flawed.

“When we started in this field, we were told that fluoride is safe and effective in pregnancy,” said study co-author Christine Till of York University in Toronto. “But when we looked for the evidence to suggest that it’s safe, we didn’t find any studies done on pregnant women.”

They recruited 512 pregnant women from six Canadian cities and measured their exposure several ways: analyzing the amount of fluoride in their urine; looking at how much tap water and tea they drank; and comparing the fluoride concentration in the community drinking water.


Then, when the women’s children were 3 or 4, the researchers gave them IQ tests and crunched the numbers to see if they could find any trends.

“We saw an association between prenatal fluoride exposure and lower IQ scores in children,” study author Rivky Green said.

Specifically, they found a 1 mg per liter increase in concentration of fluoride in urine was associated with a 4.5 point decrease in IQ among boys—though not girls. Another translation: The boys of mothers with the most fluoride in the urine had IQs about 3 points lower than the boys of mothers with the least amount.

Although critics of the study pointed to the different results by gender as a red flag, when the researchers measured fluoride exposure by examining the women’s fluid intake, they found lower IQs in boys and girls. A 1 mg increase per day was associated with a 3.7-point IQ deficit among both.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fluori...ediatrics-says
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Old 08-20-2019, 11:51 AM   #46
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I find it interesting that when science (even iffy-at-best science like this) produces a hypothesis or theory that falls in line with a person's preconceived notions, they fully support it and tout it as the truth.

When that hypothesis or theory goes against their preconceived notions (climate change, big bang theory for instance), then scientists are morons with an agenda.
You didn't read anything I said.
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Old 08-20-2019, 11:55 AM   #47
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I don't think I know what's best for everyone. That's why I think people should be free to decide how much fluoride they ingest. On a personal level, not a majority-rules level. You can personally ingest as much fluoride as you want, and you don't need it in the water supply to do it.
People can do that. No one forces you to drink public water.

Meanwhile,enough individuals agreed with other individuals that fluoride in public water systems is of great benefit to public health for society to adopt fluoride in public drinking water.
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Old 08-20-2019, 11:58 AM   #48
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You didn't read anything I said.
Nothing you said negates any part of my post.
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Old 08-20-2019, 11:58 AM   #49
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People can do that. No one forces you to drink public water.

Meanwhile,enough individuals agreed with other individuals that fluoride in public water systems is of great benefit to public health for society to adopt fluoride in public drinking water.
Do you even hear yourself? "No one forces you to drink public water." Well, thank god I guess I still have the freedom to not drink public water. ****ing ridiculous.
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Old 08-20-2019, 12:09 PM   #50
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Do you even hear yourself? "No one forces you to drink public water." Well, thank god I guess I still have the freedom to not drink public water. ****ing ridiculous.
No one does forces you to drink public water. And a lot of people don't daily. I'd say most in Flint are damn happy nobody forces them to drink the public water.

You seem confused buddy. You want the benefit and ease of living that having a public water system provides without recognizing or understanding that system exists because of a collective society that collectively agrees to fund and run it.

The vast majority of these water districts had individuals who wanted fluoride in water for the numerous public health benefits to make it happen.

And just like any other issue in America, if you don't like it, work to vote to change, either directly or through your local water districts elections. (Which you say can happen).

But other communities of individuals who want to keep it aren't Nazi's forcing anything anymore than your community is are Nazis forcing people to not have in their public water.
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Old 08-20-2019, 03:00 PM   #51
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So only boys get the lowered IQ from fluoride in the water? 3 point difference? Seems like this study is pretty flawed and the results seem more like coincidence.
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Old 08-20-2019, 03:03 PM   #52
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Well duh.

That was Deep State's plan with lead and they've needed something else since the 70s.


Well played.
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Old 08-21-2019, 06:33 AM   #53
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What of it? Nowhere on that page does it say the city fluoridates the water. In fact, it if you read the bottom section of that, you can see that whoever wrote it is attempting to make the case to add fluoride to the water but they didn't, because we voted against it.



Don't be a dummy.
Sigh.

Laments that nobody should drink that shit. Uses the reasoning that it is personal freedom. Was pointed out that you drink that 'shit' whether it is added in our not by naturally occurring fluoride. Ignores the naturally occurring fluoridation the water provides.

Either you are a nut that believes in whatever evolving excuse in fluoridation. Or you are a nut that has spent an inordinate amount of energy to save himself an average of 50 cents per year.
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:17 AM   #54
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Sigh.

Laments that nobody should drink that shit. Uses the reasoning that it is personal freedom. Was pointed out that you drink that 'shit' whether it is added in our not by naturally occurring fluoride. Ignores the naturally occurring fluoridation the water provides.

Either you are a nut that believes in whatever evolving excuse in fluoridation. Or you are a nut that has spent an inordinate amount of energy to save himself an average of 50 cents per year.
I never lamented that nobody should drink that shit. I said that people should be able to choose whether they drink that shit. There is some "naturally occurring" fluoride in the Wichita water, if you consider runoff from coal fired power plants to be naturally occurring. But it is a lot less than what they want to add to it.

You said the city of Wichita disagrees with me. You were sure of it. But you were wrong, and I showed you that. Now you come in here calling me a nut. Whatever makes you feel better after showing your ass, I guess.
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:42 AM   #55
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I never lamented that nobody should drink that shit. I said that people should be able to choose whether they drink that shit. There is some "naturally occurring" fluoride in the Wichita water, if you consider runoff from coal fired power plants to be naturally occurring. But it is a lot less than what they want to add to it.

You said the city of Wichita disagrees with me. You were sure of it. But you were wrong, and I showed you that. Now you come in here calling me a nut. Whatever makes you feel better after showing your ass, I guess.
I am sure of it. 110% positive their is fluoride in the City of Wichita water supply.

You don't have a choice if you consume from the City of Wichita public water supply though no matter whatever you think your vote did. Which is kinda funny itself TBH. That's the whole ****ing point. Fluoride is already naturally present in the water. Do you not know what it means when fluoride is naturally present in water? IT MEANS YOUR WATER HAS FLUORIDE IN IT.

The city of Wichita has fluoride in their water. Period. End of discussion. Don't believe me. Call them. (316) 265-1300. They will tell you the water has naturally occurring fluoride in it.
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How does everyone feel about chlorine and chloramine that are put in the public water supply? Those are not what people would consider poison as well?
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I am sure of it. 110% positive their is fluoride in the City of Wichita water supply.

You don't have a choice if you consume from the City of Wichita public water supply though no matter whatever you think your vote did. Which is kinda funny itself TBH. That's the whole ****ing point. Fluoride is already naturally present in the water. Do you not know what it means when fluoride is naturally present in water? IT MEANS YOUR WATER HAS FLUORIDE IN IT.

The city of Wichita has fluoride in their water. Period. End of discussion. Don't believe me. Call them. (316) 265-1300. They will tell you the water has naturally occurring fluoride in it.
I never claimed there was zero amount of fluoride in the Wichita water supply. I said Wichita didn't fluoridate their water. I said we voted on it, and didn't pass it. You claimed I was wrong and you were sure of it. Anyone can go back and look.
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I never claimed there was zero amount of fluoride in the Wichita water supply. I said Wichita didn't fluoridate their water. I said we voted on it, and didn't pass it. You claimed I was wrong and you were sure of it. Anyone can go back and look.

You never said either way. You simply made the blanket statement that you consume fluoride through toothpaste. You even stated Wichita doesn't have fluoridated water here...


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I did feel free to attempt to change that. Wichita does not have fluoridated water. Never has. We voted on it again a few years back. My teeth are in great shape btw. I didn't even have to leave society.

Society collectively decided in Germany that gassing jewish people was cool a while back. Your argument sucks.
Which is not true. Wichita has water that has been fluoridated by a naturally occurring source. You still drink fluoridated water in Wichita. Whether you want to believe that or not. It's is 100% the truth.

I even showed you a statement from the City of Wichita that states the water has fluoride in it.

Like I said earlier...

Either you are a nut that believes in whatever evolving excuse in fluoridation. Or you are a nut that has spent an inordinate amount of energy to save himself an average of 50 cents per year.
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You never said either way. You simply made the blanket statement that you consume fluoride through toothpaste. You even stated Wichita doesn't have fluoridated water here...




Which is not true. Wichita has water that has been fluoridated by a naturally occurring source. You still drink fluoridated water in Wichita. Whether you want to believe that or not. It's is 100% the truth.

I even showed you a statement from the City of Wichita that states the water has fluoride in it.

Like I said earlier...

Either you are a nut that believes in whatever evolving excuse in fluoridation. Or you are a nut that has spent an inordinate amount of energy to save himself an average of 50 cents per year.
fluoridated
/ˈflo͝orəˌdādəd,ˈflôrəˌdādəd/
adjective
having had traces of fluorides added.

fluor·i·date
/ˈflo͝orəˌdāt,ˈflôrəˌdāt/
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add traces of fluorides to (something, especially a water supply).
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