Why is Mahomes incapable of running a 4 minute offense

[Iconic]

Yeah yeah yeah defense sucks ass and Mahomes got us to OT. Cool, I don't give a flying ****. Mahomes and Andy have serious ****ing issues they need to fix. And to be frank I think it's a Mahomes issue more than an Andy one. He seems obsessed with the deep ball even when we very clearly don't need it or want it. Like he literally threw bomb after bomb on our second to last drive and one of those bombs almost got picked.

I love Mahomes as much as anyone else, but I'm hoping this isn't some weird Favre like bullshit that plagues his career forever. Hopefully Andy can drill him into being a smarter QB.

[Hammock Parties]

Basketball and football are not the same sport. Horrible analogy.

In basketball you can stand there and dribble the ball with no negative repercussions.

You can't just run the ball for first downs until there is :01 left and then throw a TD.

If you could execute at that level consistently every team would be trying to do it on every drive.

Just stop posting this nonsense. There's no such ****ing thing as a 4-minute offense when you are trailing.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Basketball and football are not the same sport. Horrible analogy.

In basketball you can stand there and dribble the ball with no negative repercussions.

You can't just run the ball for first downs until there is :01 left and then throw a TD.

If you could execute at that level consistently every team would be trying to do it on every drive.

Just stop posting this nonsense. There's no such ****ing thing as a 4-minute offense when you are trailing.

It's bizarro world when clay is the voice of reason

[SAUTO]

And we were down not ahead by a point.

[Best22]

Originally Posted by Shaid

I don't understand how this is so difficult to understand. In basketball, you get the ball back with 20 seconds left at half court and you are ahead by one point. You don't score right away, you let the clock run a bit and try to score with a few seconds left. That puts the other side in a bad position where its tough to come back.

Here, we are talking minutes instead of seconds but the same concept applies. Yes you want to score and that is the first priority but you can waste the clock by methodically moving down the field. We gave them a bunch of time and plenty of timeouts to go get a touchdown. Every time they needed to score, they did. They got stopped early on when they had the lead but when they needed it, they kept converting. You can't trust your defense to stop them.
Again, look at how the Patriots win so many of their games. They waste the clock when they need to and give the other team hardly any time to go get back the lead. It's the formula for their multiple Super Bowl appearances and wins.

If it's earlier in the game, hell yeah push the ball down the field, get ahead and put the pressure on the other team. When you are in the last part of the game, you have to play the clock. If you don't, you lose. It's exactly how we lost this game, it's how we lost the last Patriots game, it's how we lost the Rams game. How many losses do we need to have this way before people can see it's a problem?

The difference with football and basketball is that in football it’s difficult to even get in scoring range.

In basketball, you easily walk down the court and set your offense in scoring range for the optimal shot. In football, every yard of ground is contested. Just getting into scoring range is hard enough, let alone scoring. Reid would’ve loved to have the ball 1st and goal at the Pats 3 with 1 minute left, but there was no guarantee we could get into that situation, and no guarantee a series of short passes and runs even gets us into scoring range.

[Papi]

Well we'll never know for sure if burning more clock could have worked. But I know what didn't work!

[Hammock Parties]

A good analogy, if you want to use basketball is this:

Your team is behind by one point and has the ball with five minutes left.

So obviously you should just brick 10 shots in a row and get the offensive rebound every time, so you can run down the clock to the last second and sink the game winning shot.

That strategy will certainly work.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Papi

Well we'll never know for sure if burning more clock could have worked. But I know what didn't work!

Running the same defensive scheme that wasn't working.

[Shaid]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

A good analogy, if you want to use basketball is this:

Your team is behind by one point and has the ball with five minutes left.

So obviously you should just brick 10 shots in a row and get the offensive rebound every time, so you can run down the clock to the last second and sink the game winning shot.

That strategy will certainly work.

Might be your worst trolling effort ever.

[Kman34]

Here's a idea... at end of regulation time maybe we should have fouled the Patriots to stop the clock... sure we would have up yardage but the clock would stop long enough so we could get the right play in...maybe we could have got a TD...

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Shaid

Might be your worst trolling effort ever.

This is not trolling.

This is the voice of reason.

There is, 100%, no such thing as a four-minute offense when your team is trailing.

[Sannyasi]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

A good analogy, if you want to use basketball is this:

Your team is behind by one point and has the ball with five minutes left.

So obviously you should just brick 10 shots in a row and get the offensive rebound every time, so you can run down the clock to the last second and sink the game winning shot.

That strategy will certainly work.

The real basketball analogy would be holding onto the ball to take a shot at the buzzer, rather than just running down the court and shooting as quickly as possible without regard for the clock.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Sannyasi

The real basketball analogy would be holding onto the ball to take a shot at the buzzer, rather than just running down the court and shooting as quickly as possible without regard for the clock.

Someone just made that analogy.

It's a terrible analogy that makes no sense.

You can't do that in football.

A football possession is not the same thing as a basketball possession.

[Marcellus]

4 minute offense is what you run when you have a LEAD and are trying to burn clock.

IF a FG would have won the game you MIGHT have a point, but we needed a TD to win, you ALWAYS take the TD when you can.

[Rivaldo]

Just because it's an unorthodox approach to a critical drive, or because an exhausted, substandard defensive unit might potentially get the necessary stop after we score quickly, you have to consider both options in an ever-evolving league.

Intelligence is the ability to adapt to changing situations.

Is it more likely that the chiefs' offense could deliberately choreograph a drive that incorporates, say, 9-yard routes, then subsequent 1-yard runs for first downs, that adequately runs the clock and forces NE to burn their TOs? Yes. That seems like something that can be achieved.

Is it a preferred approach to letting our suspect defense win the game vrs. the Goat? Yes, it is.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Papi

In a perfect world?? When you have the ball you can create the perfect world. It's not up to chance to run some plays that burn some clock. I'm not blaming Mahomes!!! I'm blaming the play calling

If that were at all true the offense would have scored a lot more than zero ****ing points in the first half.