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Old 11-30-2018, 08:08 PM  
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Welp. Looks like we need a RB.

So who looks good in this upcoming draft?
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Old 02-21-2019, 12:14 PM   #211
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I’m not in the “Chiefs must draft a RB high” camp. I don’t want them to change the offense to be more run heavy.

I do think it’s interesting to keep an eye on value.

I do wonder if the Patriots - and other teams - have a tougher time slowing down the Chiefs o like we’d see for a half at a time if the Chiefs add another “must be accounted for” player to the offense.

That’s why Jacobs intrigued before his stock blew up. It’s why Love intrigues me now. Love’s breakaway speed, if you can get him at the end of the third or by moving into the 4th, could be really interesting.

I like Damien Williams a bunch. I prioritize upgrading CB and LB and S over upgrading at RB.

If they’re going to spend one of their first 3/4 picks on an offensive player, a big-play threat at RB or WR seems like the spot.
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Old 02-21-2019, 12:16 PM   #212
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I’m not in the “Chiefs must draft a RB high” camp. I don’t want them to change the offense to be more run heavy.

I do think it’s interesting to keep an eye on value.

I do wonder if the Patriots - and other teams - have a tougher time slowing down the Chiefs o like we’d see for a half at a time if the Chiefs add another “must be accounted for” player to the offense.

That’s why Jacobs intrigued before his stock blew up. It’s why Love intrigues me now. Love’s breakaway speed, if you can get him at the end of the third or by moving into the 4th, could be really interesting.

I like Damien Williams a bunch. I prioritize upgrading CB and LB and S over upgrading at RB.

If they’re going to spend one of their first 3/4 picks on an offensive player, a big-play threat at RB or WR seems like the spot.
I'd probably rather go TE than RB, but I get your thought process and like it.
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Old 02-21-2019, 12:18 PM   #213
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The teams I mentioned were statistically two of the best running teams In the league were they not? And didn't they dominate TIME OF POSSESSION? And you think that's a bad thing for this offense?

Ever heard of the word DIVERSITY? if not I'd urge you to look it up.
Did you just mention the Ravens and Seahawks and then say "diversity"?

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Old 02-21-2019, 12:19 PM   #214
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I’m not in the “Chiefs must draft a RB high” camp. I don’t want them to change the offense to be more run heavy.

I do think it’s interesting to keep an eye on value.

I do wonder if the Patriots - and other teams - have a tougher time slowing down the Chiefs o like we’d see for a half at a time if the Chiefs add another “must be accounted for” player to the offense.

That’s why Jacobs intrigued before his stock blew up. It’s why Love intrigues me now. Love’s breakaway speed, if you can get him at the end of the third or by moving into the 4th, could be really interesting.

I like Damien Williams a bunch. I prioritize upgrading CB and LB and S over upgrading at RB.

If they’re going to spend one of their first 3/4 picks on an offensive player, a big-play threat at RB or WR seems like the spot.
If they're going to spend a 1, 2, or 3 on offense, it needs to be OL or TE. If they think they need a RB, rd 4 and after is a better place to get one. This team needs defense in a bad way.
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Old 02-21-2019, 12:38 PM   #215
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Did you just mention the Ravens and Seahawks and then say "diversity"?

Er NO, I meant adding a real run game to our offense that can run the ball down the oppositions throats and keep their offense off the field when we need to. No-one can argue that we have that right now.
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Old 02-21-2019, 12:42 PM   #216
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I think it is a false narrative that the Chiefs need to draft all defense/defense heavy. Hill and Mahomes are about to get expensive. Morse may be allowed to hit FA. Watkins becomes a cut candidate in 2020. I do not think RB is as critical as receiver/OL/TE depth moving forward.

I was sour on the FA Tight End class, but there could be cheap potential upgrades to Harris:

Jesse James
Tyler Kroft
C.J. Uzomah
Jeff Heuerman

- The Cincy TE’s are intriguing. Uzomah is coming off a career year which will spike his salary, but Kroft put up impressive numbers in 2017 prior to his foot injury this season where he only played in 5 games. I think the Chiefs could land one of these guys for as cheap as they had Harris with more potential production (all have superior catch rates).
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Old 02-21-2019, 12:51 PM   #217
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Er NO, I meant adding a real run game to our offense that can run the ball down the oppositions throats and keep their offense off the field when we need to. No-one can argue that we have that right now.
We didn't have that WITH Kareem Hunt. This has always been a pass-first team. Hunt had more than 20 carries like 4 times in the last 2 years.

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Old 02-21-2019, 01:41 PM   #218
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The teams I mentioned were statistically two of the best running teams In the league were they not? And didn't they dominate TIME OF POSSESSION? And you think that's a bad thing for this offense?

Ever heard of the word DIVERSITY? if not I'd urge you to look it up.
The teams you mentioned were among the most likely teams in the league to run the football. They were not the teams in the league that ran it best. The Chiefs were actually one of the 5 most efficient rushing teams in the league. The Seahawks were ranked behind them and the Ravens were actually considered a below average rushing team in terms of efficiency and to even get there they had to expose their QB to a slew of hits. They aren't even remotely comparable to whatever point it is you're trying to make.

The Chiefs can presently run the ball BETTER than both the Ravens and Seahawks and it's not even particularly close. They simply elected to run the ball less often because they have a better QB and a smarter coaching staff than both of those squads.

The irony of you citing variety and then using 2 of the least flexible teams in football to make your point shouldn't be lost on you.

Neither of the teams you're referencing are teams that are better at running the football than the Chiefs. Neither of them have a better runningback than the Chiefs. They're just teams that are more committed to running than the Chiefs. As a consequence their offenses were significantly worse as was their record.

Trying to dumb down this offense to fit some 'blueprint' established by the Ravens and Seahawks is the height of stupidity.
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The teams you mentioned were among the most likely teams in the league to run the football. They were not the teams in the league that ran it best. The Chiefs were actually one of the 5 most efficient rushing teams in the league. The Seahawks were ranked behind them and the Ravens were actually considered a below average rushing team in terms of efficiency and to even get there they had to expose their QB to a slew of hits. They aren't even remotely comparable to whatever point it is you're trying to make.

The Chiefs can presently run the ball BETTER than both the Ravens and Seahawks and it's not even particularly close. They simply elected to run the ball less often because they have a better QB and a smarter coaching staff than both of those squads.

The irony of you citing variety and then using 2 of the least flexible teams in football to make your point shouldn't be lost on you.

Neither of the teams you're referencing are teams that are better at running the football than the Chiefs. Neither of them have a better runningback than the Chiefs. They're just teams that are more committed to running than the Chiefs. As a consequence their offenses were significantly worse as was their record.

Trying to dumb down this offense to fit some 'blueprint' established by the Ravens and Seahawks is the height of stupidity.
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Nope, I'm staying on this "train" as long as the likes of Seattle and The Ravens have a better run game than we do thank you very much.

If you honestly think that Seattle and Baltimore have better running games than we do, you've done me a favor and I can just put you on ignore now.
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We didn't have that WITH Kareem Hunt. This has always been a pass-first team. Hunt had more than 20 carries like 4 times in the last 2 years.

You live in fantasy land.
Fantasy land, I could live with.

He lives in some upside down hellscape where the way to make the team better is to make it dumber.

The Chiefs have been among the NFL leaders in rush efficiency since Reid got here. When they want to run the ball, they're good at it. But it's not what they're best at. Fortunately, what they're best at is the thing that is EASILY the best way to run an offense in today's NFL and it's throwing the ball.

Why would you want to spend significant draft capital on a tool that's expressly designed to take the ball OUT of the hands of 3 guys who are arguably the single most dangerous, dynamic threats at their position in all of football?
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I don't care if we somehow drafted Walter Payton, Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson all at the same time, we're not running the ball anywhere close to 50%.

Reid considers the screen game as extended hand-offs, and that is all part of the running game as far as he's considered, because he doesn't give a **** what you think, he's interested in results.

Williams and Williams with either a Ware or a West or a mid to late round pick or UDFA is what will be done and that is the correct thing to do within this offense.

Y'all want three yards and a cloud of dust, you're really going to hate the next 15 years.
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I think it is a false narrative that the Chiefs need to draft all defense/defense heavy. Hill and Mahomes are about to get expensive. Morse may be allowed to hit FA. Watkins becomes a cut candidate in 2020. I do not think RB is as critical as receiver/OL/TE depth moving forward.

I was sour on the FA Tight End class, but there could be cheap potential upgrades to Harris:

Jesse James
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C.J. Uzomah
Jeff Heuerman

- The Cincy TE’s are intriguing. Uzomah is coming off a career year which will spike his salary, but Kroft put up impressive numbers in 2017 prior to his foot injury this season where he only played in 5 games. I think the Chiefs could land one of these guys for as cheap as they had Harris with more potential production (all have superior catch rates).
I'm tellin' ya - if you want to improve this team's running game, draft T.J. Hockenson.

I couldn't draw up a better fit for this offense in a lab. He is letter perfect for what Andy likes to do. If the Chiefs went out there in twin tight ace formations 75% of the time, they'd just rape faces man.
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I don't care if we somehow drafted Walter Payton, Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson all at the same time, we're not running the ball anywhere close to 50%.

Reid considers the screen game as extended hand-offs, and that is all part of the running game as far as he's considered, because he doesn't give a **** what you think, he's interested in results.

Williams and Williams with either a Ware or a West or a mid to late round pick or UDFA is what will be done and that is the correct thing to do within this offense.

Y'all want three yards and a cloud of dust, you're really going to hate the next 15 years.
You have to actively ignore Reid's long and loud commentary regarding the running game to think it would be wise to throw a ton of capital at the RB position.

He's always said that he sees the short passing game as an extension of the running game. Those bunch formations and bubble screens are Andy's version of the split T. As you've noted, unless you want Andy broomed outright, there's just no sense in calling for some return to power football.

That's not how he approaches the game and he's been WELL ahead of the curve in that regard.
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You have to actively ignore Reid's long and loud commentary regarding the running game to think it would be wise to throw a ton of capital at the RB position.

He's always said that he sees the short passing game as an extension of the running game. Those bunch formations and bubble screens are Andy's version of the split T. As you've noted, unless you want Andy broomed outright, there's just no sense in calling for some return to power football.

That's not how he approaches the game and he's been WELL ahead of the curve in that regard.
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