Did Dave Toub get himself fired today?

[Mecca]

He told the media basically that Veach ****ed up cutting Lammons cause he was in the game plan. Basically complaining to the media about it..while having a god awful year.

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

There is no way in hell Andy and Toub are telling Butker to kick it short.

I pretty sure Toub said in the presser that those kicks were supposed to go to the end zone.. Those kicks were on Butker..

[Toad]

I swear to God if he kicks short and they get a momentum field shifting return…

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

So, if the offense is out there for 10 drives, and around 65 snaps (about their average for the season) and only scores 3 points, and the defense is out there for a similar numbers of drives/snaps and allow 14 points, we should blame the the STs for the loss because they allowed a big gain on a kick/punt that led to a score to make it 21-3?

Whether KC wins or loses will largely be on the offense and the defense, if only by virtue of the fact that both of those units will have dozens of opportunities to either succeed or fail, not whether we have one bad rep on STs. Get a grip.

Fwiw, I think STs will be good to great in this game, barring something dumb like very windy conditions that would mess with the kicking game. No one will give them or Toub any credit, but I think they'll play a good game.

Correct to a point. STs can have more of an impact than you are giving it. STs might be out there less, but each error is far more amplified because of that. Huge kick returns are momentum shifters as are muffed punts. Those things can't happen and this STs has had both far too many times this season.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by mkp785

Stop bringing up the offense. You're trying to make your points by circumventing the actual issue: Toub fell off this year. Big Time.

He almost lost us the game last week through his stupidity and arrogance. This is the exact same conversations that were had when CP was debating whether or not Sutton sucks....how did that end?

It doesn't matter how good he "may" have been previously. This team has put a lot of picks and talent on the field for Toub. How many other teams draft dudes soley for special teams? Maybe that's why we were so good. Now we don't have that luxury to waste picks like that. He needs to coach up what he has....or GTFO and let someone else younger who can.

Lolz, okay genious. And which players were drafted solely for STs this season?

Here's the overriding thing: Andy is a second-chance guy. He gives everyone their chance to redeem themselves, no matter what. Toub has had one actual bad season out of over 21 seasons. At the very least Andy is going to give him a chance at redemption next year.

Have fun with that.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

To be fair, Toub said the plan was to kick it through the EZ every time and Butker didn't do it.

If true then I apologize for that critique. Makes me feel better because I couldn't believe it. At first I thought maybe it was a bad kick but then the next he blasted. The third was so high it looked very intentional.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by kstater

They caught us playing the procedural game. We were gonna Practice Squad him and elevate on GameDay. They correctly saw it and made the claim to keep him out. I don't blame them, and would guess we would do the same thing if we could.

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That's all this was.

And I'm no big fan of Toub. He's had a rough season. My issue is the feeble attempt to portray this as Toub vs Veach.

[Rainbarrel]

Special teams returner hero ball has been neutered because of injuries. Doing just the basics are fine. Gray had been getting the most ST snaps. Is some exaggerating going on about Lammons, Lamonds, wtf ever

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by mkp785

Stop making excuses already. You defend Toub too much. The game has passed him by and he needs to retire, or be retired. I just pray that he doesn't cost us a super bowl trip this weekend.

again... Look how many new folks were on ST's this year... We lost multi year staples you all hated like Niemann, Sorenson, O'daniel, Watts, Kemp and Pringle. Of course starting an entirely new set of STers after churning the bottom half of the roster created issues. If Butker had been healthy, they would have been in the middle of the pack. If they suck next year, after a year under many of the rookies belt, the fire him.

[oldman]

If we're counting on ST play to win, we're doomed. Just kick the ball out of the endzone and score on every drive. Easy peasy. Lammons was probably guy 53 on a 53 man roster. Of course Toub is going to be disappointed because he's the ST coach. It's not like Toub gets to coach PMII/Kelce, Jones and Bolton, or even Creed. He's coaching STs.

[Rainbarrel]

I think penalties fall under coaching

[oldman]

Jody Fortson (TE) activated from reserve/injured. Marcus Kemp (WR), Ihmir Smith-Marsette (WR) activated from practice squad via standard elevation.
https://www.chiefs.com/team/transactions/

WE'RE SAVED!!!!!!!!!

[Megatron96]

LOLZ, **** THE HATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TOUB CLOWNED CIN, AND ALL YOUR HATING ASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pitt Gorilla]

Special Teams were OUTSTANDING today.

[Molitoth]

Toub's crew didn't make any mistakes today. A Rarity. Glad it came when it mattered most.

[DrRyan]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

LOLZ, **** THE HATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TOUB CLOWNED CIN, AND ALL YOUR HATING ASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are seriously giving Toub praise over Skyy making a play? GTFO. Really rough first year for Skyy and hopefully that raises confidence and he builds off it. Hard to give Toub any credit at all. He's out of choice with the injuries at that point.