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What gave you this impression? He's already wildly wealthy (albeit of the inherited variety) and has had football as a mainstay of his entire life. I'm curious why people feel this way. Was it the absence of seeing him emotional about losing? Was it trying to bring a Super Bowl to KC? Something else?



I've never understood people's hatred for him aside from the 'absentee owner from Texas' narrative.
For me, it was the way he reacted to the Herm Edwardss, the Romeo Crennells, the Scott Piolis, the Todd Haleys, that we suffered through. Except for one game in 2009 Arrowhead was a sell out every week (at least on the books) and he was apathetic to it all. When he hired Pioli we hired the man that every team wanted, and it seemed like he wanted to win at first, but no, he was happy to sit back, play with his soccer teams, and ignore the city of Kansas City.

And when he made moves like hiring Pioli, it had the illusion of wanting to win, but then he let Pioli sell Haley and himself some snake oil, and we got the Casshole. And then he watched Pioli drown Haley in the barrel of snake oil, and as Pioli was holding Haley's head under, Hunt watched Pioli claim that Tyler Palko deserves a spot on an NFL team.

And then when Haley started Palko, Hunt just watched from the sideline.

And then when Hunt hired Dorsey and Reid, it seemed like a move geared towards winning, but once again Hunt stood on the sideline watching terrible playoff loss and terrible playoff loss. The stadium continued to sell out, and losing playoff games was ok.

And maybe a lot of that is unfair, and maybe I felt the way I did because Clark Hunt speaks in a hushed monotone, and never seemed to be upset with losing.

And I freely admit that I was only seeing the public side of Clark Hunt, but after the Colts win, I saw the emotion in his face, and the tears in his eyes, and I felt like, hey, that's me. That's how I feel right now. (minus approximately all the billions) I finally saw the passion, and I saw that he had carried the weight of all those playoff losses in his heart, just like I did. He was me, and I was him, in that moment.

Clark Hunt is banging the drum on Sunday. If we win, and he holds that trophy, with his Father's name on it, lifts it to the sky, looks up and says "We did it, Dad" I will flat out bawl, with snot coming out of my nose, and all. I finally feel a connection between him, the team, and the city. On Sunday, if Clark Hunt lifts the Lamar Hunt trophy and says those words, I think it will be the sporting moment of this century.

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And I freely admit that I was only seeing the public side of Clark Hunt, but after the Colts win, I saw the emotion in his face, and the tears in his eyes, and I felt like, hey, that's me. That's how I feel right now. (minus approximately all the billions) I finally saw the passion, and I saw that he had carried the weight of all those playoff losses in his heart, just like I did. He was me, and I was him, in that moment.

Clark Hunt is banging the drum on Sunday. If we win, and he holds that trophy, with his Father's name on it, lifts it to the sky, looks up and says "We did it, Dad" I will flat out bawl, with snot coming out of my nose, and all. I finally feel a connection between him, the team, and the city. On Sunday, if Clark Hunt lifts the Lamar Hunt trophy and says those words, I think it will be the sporting moment of this century.

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Clark Hunt is banging the drum on Sunday. If we win, and he holds that trophy, with his Father's name on it, lifts it to the sky, looks up and says "We did it, Dad" I will flat out bawl, with snot coming out of my nose, and all. I finally feel a connection between him, the team, and the city. On Sunday, if Clark Hunt lifts the Lamar Hunt trophy and says those words, I think it will be the sporting moment of this century.
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For me, it was the way he reacted to the Herm Edwardss, the Romeo Crennells, the Scott Piolis, the Todd Haleys, that we suffered through. Except for one game in 2009 Arrowhead was a sell out every week (at least on the books) and he was apathetic to it all. When he hired Pioli we hired the man that every team wanted, and it seemed like he wanted to win at first, but no, he was happy to sit back, play with his soccer teams, and ignore the city of Kansas City.

And when he made moves like hiring Pioli, it had the illusion of wanting to win, but then he let Pioli sell Haley and himself some snake oil, and we got the Casshole. And then he watched Pioli drown Haley in the barrel of snake oil, and as Pioli was holding Haley's head under, Hunt watched Pioli claim that Tyler Palko deserves a spot on an NFL team.

And then when Haley started Palko, Hunt just watched from the sideline.

And then when Hunt hired Dorsey and Reid, it seemed like a move geared towards winning, but once again Hunt stood on the sideline watching terrible playoff loss and terrible playoff loss. The stadium continued to sell out, and losing playoff games was ok.

And maybe a lot of that is unfair, and maybe I felt the way I did because Clark Hunt speaks in a hushed monotone, and never seemed to be upset with losing.

And I freely admit that I was only seeing the public side of Clark Hunt, but after the Colts win, I saw the emotion in his face, and the tears in his eyes, and I felt like, hey, that's me. That's how I feel right now. (minus approximately all the billions) I finally saw the passion, and I saw that he had carried the weight of all those playoff losses in his heart, just like I did. He was me, and I was him, in that moment.

Clark Hunt is banging the drum on Sunday. If we win, and he holds that trophy, with his Father's name on it, lifts it to the sky, looks up and says "We did it, Dad" I will flat out bawl, with snot coming out of my nose, and all. I finally feel a connection between him, the team, and the city. On Sunday, if Clark Hunt lifts the Lamar Hunt trophy and says those words, I think it will be the sporting moment of this century.

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While it's good that you can now identify with Hunt, your previous stance is a good example of exactly what's wrong with modern American society. You didn't think Hunt cared because he didn't show YOU that he cared.

He doesn't owe you shit on a personal level. he's entitled to his own personal life and you are NOT entitled to any part of that. But we assume a bunch of shit with no evidence. He doesn't care, you figure, why-because he doesn't jump up and down and throw temper tantrums?

That is how you end up with scam artists in positions of power. They are good at making people FEEL LIKE THEY CARE. Actual evidence not required.

I haven't always agreed with Hunt's moves (nor his father's, for that matter) but I was reasonably certain that both were decent men and wanted the team to be successful for their own legacies and for their (adopted) city.

Anyway, a lesson perhaps, in not assuming things without knowing the whole story.

AND- I'm not meaning to single you out so much as commenting on a general attitude that I've heard from a lot of people and in many spheres of life, not just The Chiefs and sports in general.

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He doesn't owe you shit on a personal level.
First off, FO. Secondly, I never said he owed me anything, although I believe he does. My definition, and I believe the definition that most Chiefs fans share, is that success for the Chiefs means wins, playoff victories, etc.

But what success means to me as a fan, and what it means to Clark Hunt as an owner, aren't necessarily the same thing.

Did you tell the SOC movement that Clark Hunt didn't owe them a damn thing? Because you have stated that you don't believe he does. But, I think you are wrong. Yes, the NFL is set up for every team, regardless of market size, to have the same shot at winning, and a level playing field, with their revenue sharing model.

But, team owners not only share in the revenue, but they get to keep 60% of the gate for each home game, including pre-season games. That 60% comes directly from the pockets of every fan that buys a ticket.

And then there is the revenue from parking. And the revenue from apparel and officially licensed products that don the Kansas City Chiefs logo and name.

Team owners are also often the recipient of large tax breaks and incentives from their cities and states, in order to secure a long term lease on their stadium, which in turn creates revenue for that city or state.

In a way, team owners create an ad hoc contract with the fans and members of the communities that contribute to their revenues outside of the league's revenue sharing set up. And because of this, I believe team owners do owe their fans a competitive product on the field, and with that they should pursue winning in good faith.

When team owners continually make bad football decisions based on increasing their profits, they are violating that ad hoc contract. Examples would be hiring a new HC every two or three years, because new and first time HCs cannot demand a high salary, which saves the owner money.

Another example would be when team owners cut or trade away veterans to avoid paying higher salaries. Etc. Etc. So on and so forth.

The SOC movement was born out of the frustration of a loyal and passionate fan base. But based on your statement, those passionate fans had no business being frustrated or voicing their unhappiness with the direction of the team, because according to you, team owners don't owe fans shit.

Anyway, a lesson perhaps, in how fan loyalty, sold out stadiums, apparel revenue, and revenue in the form of tax breaks paid for by the taxpayers, creates a social contract, and why team owners actually do owe their fans something.

And, as far as my assumption that Clark Hunt did not care about winning, I didn't assume, I weighed his actions and reactions to losing, and the results from the scale informed my belief that winning wasn't as important to Clark Hunt, as his definition of success didn't match my own.

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First off, FO. Secondly, I never said he owed me anything, although I believe he does. My definition, and I believe the definition that most Chiefs fans share, is that success for the Chiefs means wins, playoff victories, etc.

But what success means to me as a fan, and what it means to Clark Hunt as an owner, aren't necessarily the same thing.

Did you tell the SOC movement that Clark Hunt didn't owe them a damn thing? Because you have stated that you don't believe he does. But, I think you are wrong. Yes, the NFL is set up for every team, regardless of market size, to have the same shot at winning, and a level playing field, with their revenue sharing model.

But, team owners not only share in the revenue, but they get to keep 60% of the gate for each home game, including pre-season games. That 60% comes directly from the pockets of every fan that buys a ticket.

And then there is the revenue from parking. And the revenue from apparel and officially licensed products that don the Kansas City Chiefs logo and name.

Team owners are also often the recipient of large tax breaks and incentives from their cities and states, in order to secure a long term lease on their stadium, which in turn creates revenue for that city or state.

In a way, team owners create an ad hoc contract with the fans and members of the communities that contribute to their revenues outside of the league's revenue sharing set up. And because of this, I believe team owners do owe their fans a competitive product on the field, and with that they should pursue winning in good faith.

When team owners continually make bad football decisions based on increasing their profits, they are violating that ad hoc contract. Examples would be hiring a new HC every two or three years, because new and first time HCs cannot demand a high salary, which saves the owner money.

Another example would be when team owners cut or trade away veterans to avoid paying higher salaries. Etc. Etc. So on and so forth.

The SOC movement was born out of the frustration of a loyal and passionate fan base. But based on your statement, those passionate fans had no business being frustrated or voicing their unhappiness with the direction of the team, because according to you, team owners don't owe fans shit.

Anyway, a lesson perhaps, in how fan loyalty, sold out stadiums, apparel revenue, and revenue in the form of tax breaks paid for by the taxpayers, creates a social contract, and why team owners actually do owe their fans something.

And, as far as my assumption that Clark Hunt did not care about winning, I didn't assume, I weighed his actions and reactions to losing, and the results from the scale informed my belief that winning wasn't as important to Clark Hunt, as his definition of success didn't match my own.

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he doesn't owe you a personal response. As in, you don't have a right to his personal space. You don't have a right to assume he doesn't care just because he doesn't throw public temper tantrums. This is my point. It's not like he didn't fire people when they proved inept; it's not like he didn't keep trying to hire people with pedigrees. It just didn't work out well until Reid. Every team in football that was looking wanted Pioli. Obviously, that was a mistake but at the time was considered a coup. It's his lack of public 'reaction' that bothers people. I really don't understand what people expected, a red faced screaming tantrum? He quietly fired people and went and hired the guy he wanted.

Whatever, let's go back to drooling over his wife and daughter.

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And maybe a lot of that is unfair, and maybe I felt the way I did because Clark Hunt speaks in a hushed monotone, and never seemed to be upset with losing.
To be honest, I really do think your issues are unfair. The guy had just inherited the team from his father who was one of the most respected people in league history. I'm sure there was some learning curve and I'm sure there was some time where he was trying to find his equilibrium in terms of being hands on/hands off.

Let's just play revisionist history and say within the first few years of his controlling the organization, he meddles in the everyday player personnel decisions like who is starting at QB. He then gets a reputation for that sort of behavior. You might like it because you want your owner to visibly care, but when it's 2013 and we need a new GM and head coach, do you think Reid and Dorsey go to a team with an owner like that? I think doubtful.

I think it would be difficult establishing a balance between being a fan and being an owner. Because like it or not, as an owner, you can't act or respond to things like a normal fan without potential consequences down the road.
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To be honest, I really do think your issues are unfair. The guy had just inherited the team from his father who was one of the most respected people in league history. I'm sure there was some learning curve and I'm sure there was some time where he was trying to find his equilibrium in terms of being hands on/hands off.



Let's just play revisionist history and say within the first few years of his controlling the organization, he meddles in the everyday player personnel decisions like who is starting at QB. He then gets a reputation for that sort of behavior. You might like it because you want your owner to visibly care, but when it's 2013 and we need a new GM and head coach, do you think Reid and Dorsey go to a team with an owner like that? I think doubtful.



I think it would be difficult establishing a balance between being a fan and being an owner. Because like it or not, as an owner, you can't act or respond to things like a normal fan without potential consequences down the road.
I stipulated that I was probably being unfair, but those were my genuine feelings. And we all know that I wasn't alone in thinking cHunt was only concerned with the bottom line. CP has had a roller-coaster relationship with Clark.

And I have no idea how my comments got twisted into me wanting to violate his personal space or his privacy. What I wanted was an owner who was passionate about the team from my city.

Clark has taken a lot of heat on CP, and to look back now and say that it was undeserved is just revisionist history. There was a time that some people on this board were convinced that he would rather own a soccer team, which he owned 2 at the time, than the Kansas City Chiefs.

Lamar was a very low key guy, and he let the franchise get stagnant in the late 70s through nearly all of the 80s. Marty was passionate, and his theatrical style of inspiring and motivating players was the perfect complement to Lamar's soft spoken nature. But when Lamar was interviewed, his eyes twinkled, and he always had this look of wonder about him when talking about the Chiefs.

He did go out and aggressively get the hot GM prospect in Scott Pioli, and then together with Pioli they went out and got the hot coaching candidate, straight off the sidelines of the Super Bowl. But then Clark went back into his autopilot mode, and kinda let Pioli bully him.

It took banners from SOC to prompt Clark into action, and who knows how long he would have stood on the outside doing nothing but counting money if those banners had never been rage-created by an angry, frustrated fan base.

And to his credit, he made changes and this time secured the head coach that he knew and respected, and then hired the hot GM candidate.

On the surface those moved say "I am doing everything I can to bring a Championship to this city" but if you look under the surface, the Pioli/Haley and Reid/Dorsey hirings effectively ensured that the bottom line would stay profitable.

Adding to the cHunt-Profit narrative is the fact that he stood by and watched Pioli and Haley take turns hammering this franchise into the ground. In my opinion, he may have watched that show for quite some time if SOC had not been created.

I know that Reid is once again the toast of the town, because Mahomes, but while improving the win/loss ratio for regular season games, Reid was proving to be inept in winning games in the playoffs, even surrendering two of the biggest second half leads in playoff history. But once again, Clark had hired a coach that would ensure regular season ticket sales would remain high, and he was content to stay on the sideline counting money.

It took, the once-in-a-generation talent of #MVPM2 to stand out to Veach enough on film that he spammed Andy Reid for a couple of years, and it took the intelligence and charisma of #MVPM2 to convince Reid that he had finally found a QB that he absolutely had to have, and it took Reid, Veach, and Dorsey to convince Clark that #MVPM2 was worth the draft picks and the money the 10 slot would cost.

And again, on the surface this could have been explained away as Clark making moves that increased his bottom line while giving the appearance of wanting to win.

And that is why the interview after the Colts game last week was so important to me, and probably important to other fans who felt as I did as well, because he was no longer cHunt who was ok with losing as long as profits stayed high, but in that moment he became Clark Hunt, who cried because he had finally delivered a home playoff win to this city. And he became Clark Hunt, the boy who was finally getting a chance to bring the trophy named after his father back to the this city and these fans.

Those tears, and the ever so slight crack in his voice, proved that winning did matter after all.

As fans, we want an owner that wants to win as badly as we do. If we didn't care about having a winning team, what would be the point of even being fans?

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