The Myth that Nelson Sucks

[staylor26]

Simply put, it’s wrong.

BJ Kissel
BJ Kissel
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#Chiefs CB Steven Nelson (92.7 PFF Overall Grade) was
@PFF
's top-graded player last night. He was targeted six times and only allowed two receptions for 33 yards.

Over the past six games, Nelson has only allowed 264 yards while being targeted 42 times.

He’s having a pretty good season, and at least half of CP thinks he sucks. It’s a shame.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m not pretending or forgetting that we’ve had our share of breaks also.

I just don’t see how anybody can feel that it’s anywhere close to a 50/50 deal. We definitely get ****ed more than we get breaks, especially when you’re talking egregious BS. Anybody that disagrees is trying way too hard not to be “that guy” that cries about the refs. I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy, but it is what it is.

Look I've had my hands in the air like everybody else this year. The reality is though that most people remember the bad more than the good.

Think back at all the horrible calls over the past 5 to 10 years that have screwed us. I bet a few just came to mind. I'm no different. Now think of all the great calls that have helped us. Probably not too many vivid ones coming to mind.

The easy joke here is to say there haven't been any, but objectively that isn't true. Point is that we hold on to the bad calls and forget the breaks. And if great players do get the benefit of the doubt, our complaining better happen now because it's about to end. The Broncos would argue it already happened. So are we an objective fan base and the Broncos fans aren't? Or is a little of both happening?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Look I've had my hands in the air like everybody else this year. The reality is though that most people remember the bad more than the good.

Think back at all the horrible calls over the past 5 to 10 years that have screwed us. I bet a few just came to mind. I'm no different. Now think of all the great calls that have helped us. Probably not too many vivid ones coming to mind.

The easy joke here is to say there haven't been any, but objectively that isn't true. Point is that we hold on to the bad calls and forget the breaks. And if great players do get the benefit of the doubt, our complaining better happen now because it's about to end. The Broncos would argue it already happened. So are we an objective fan base and the Broncos fans aren't? Or is a little of both happening?

I'm not going to say we didn't get a break here and there in games that we were largely controlling anyway. Meanwhile in the Steelers game a suspiciously late flag on a penalty that had no bearing on the outcome kept that one close. And in the only game we lost this year we got undeniably screwed and screwed badly.

I'm just saying this isn't a balanced ledger. Letting us get away with a hold up 2 scores in the 4th against an overmatched opponent doesn't even the scales for that butt-****ing we took on Foxboro.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm not going to say we didn't get a break here and there in games that we were largely controlling anyway. Meanwhile in the Steelers game a suspiciously late flag on a penalty that had no bearing on the outcome kept that one close. And in the only game we lost this year we got undeniably screwed and screwed badly.

I'm just saying this isn't a balanced ledger. Letting us get away with a hold up 2 scores in the 4th against an overmatched opponent doesn't even the scales for that butt-****ing we took on Foxboro.

I'm not saying things are even Steven. I'm just saying that every fanbase tends to think they are being objective when it isn't always the case. I'm also not sure that all the breaks we got this season came at points that didn't matter. That's part of my overall point. I'm sure opposing fans could name a few important calls. We can be objective all we want, but many calls are subjective.

In all honesty it does take a lot to get me furious about those things. The hold in the Pit playoff game, the end of that Raiders Thursday night game, those are moments I remember. I guess because the NE game was early this season let's me let it go. If it was in the playoffs I'd feel worse.

Plus, honestly, if we end up with home field I will be GLAD we lost that game. Let us be the ones with chips on our shoulders. That point doesn't justify penalties, but it's part of the reason I wasn't furious.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Dorsey's drafts were go good they are disgusting.

2013

Eric Fisher
Travis Kelce
Knile Davis
Nico Johnson
Sanders Commings (not a bust, just couldn't stay healthy)
Braden Wilson
Mike Catapano

2014

Dee Ford
Phillip Gaines
De'Anthony Thomas
Aaron Murray
Zach Fulton
Laurent Duvernay-Tardif

2015

Marcus Peters
Mitch Morse
Chris Conley
Steven Nelson
Ramik Wilson
DJ Alexander
James O'Shaughnessy
Rakeem Nunez-Rochez
Da'Ron Brown

2016

Chris Jones
KeiVarae Russell
Parker Ehinger
Eric Murray
Demarcus Robinson
Kevin Hogan
Tyreek Hill
DJ White
Dadi Nicholas

2017

Patrick Mahomes
Tanoh Kpassagnon
Kareem Hunt
Jehu Chesson
Ukeme Eligwe
Leon McQuay

You can debate a player here or there but that is ****ing disgustingly awesome.

When we fired him, I figured the odds of me seeing a Kansas City Super Bowl ever again were dashed.

But he did give us Mahomes.

How much of that success is coaching?

[The Franchise]

The #Chiefs lowest ranked corner according to @pff is Orlando Scandrick. His overall grade is 70.3 which ranks 33th overall. KC currently has three top 35 corners. I’ll be damned.

— Chiefs Central (@ChiefsCentral) November 14, 2018

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Pest

The #Chiefs lowest ranked corner according to @pff is Orlando Scandrick. His overall grade is 70.3 which ranks 33th overall. KC currently has three top 35 corners. I’ll be damned.

— Chiefs Central (@ChiefsCentral) November 14, 2018

Again - 46 defense this week.

It's gonna be tough for the corners, but they've done solid work thus far. Let them prove it - none of the Rams corners are that sort of Julio Jones combination of size/strength/speed. None of them are impossibly difficult matchups.

Get in a 46 look and MAKE them beat you. Do not let Todd !@#$ing Gurley pick us apart 6-8 yards at a time. If Cooks, Woods or Reynolds end up beating you for 6, fine. Take the ball back and go score.

But you cannot let them keep that D on the field for 35+ minutes by abusing us with Gurley. These corners have earned the chance to prove their mettle.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Again - 46 defense this week.

It's gonna be tough for the corners, but they've done solid work thus far. Let them prove it - none of the Rams corners are that sort of Julio Jones combination of size/strength/speed. None of them are impossibly difficult matchups.

Get in a 46 look and MAKE them beat you. Do not let Todd !@#$ing Gurley pick us apart 6-8 yards at a time. If Cooks, Woods or Reynolds end up beating you for 6, fine. Take the ball back and go score.

But you cannot let them keep that D on the field for 35+ minutes by abusing us with Gurley. These corners have earned the chance to prove their mettle.

No lie, this is all about stopping Gurley

Bottle him up in the run AND pass - win

Let him run wild and catch easy passes - lose

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

No lie, this is all about stopping Gurley

Bottle him up in the run AND pass - win

Let him run wild and catch easy passes - lose

This is one of those games that can have me turnin' on old Bob.

I think I've been among his few fairly ardent supporters this year. But if we end up going out there and getting our asses kicked in a Cover 2 while Gurley abuses Ragland/Hitchens and Parker gets run the !@#$ over, I will not be pleased.

This is a 'pick your poison' game and I think the one that might kill you is preferable to the one that will kill you.

Goff may beat us up in a 46 - he's a no shit elite downfield passer. It's easily his greatest strength, IMO. That guy has downfield accuracy that is presently unrivaled in the league. A cover-1 look against him is legitimately terrifying, especially with a deep threat like Cooks who will absolutely get behind Nelson a few times.

But if he's waiting for those to develop and we can hang for just a couple of seconds, that's when the rush does its thing. That's when Plan B can help us if Plan A fails.

But if it's just Gurley killing us all day via short throws that eliminate the rush and runs that take advantage of our fairly porous run D....there's no Plan B there - you just get pushed down the field like we did in the playoffs against TN.

If Bob isn't openly and obviously scheming to prevent that, Imma be pissed.

[The Franchise]

I’m going into this game expecting a loss. I don’t know if this defense can do enough to stop the Rams.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Pest

I’m going into this game expecting a loss. I don’t know if this defense can do enough to stop the Rams.

We have a better chance of slowing them than they have of slowing us.

We can/should throw numbers at Todd Gurley and we can at least slow him down and force some manageable 3rd down situations where O'Daniel can come to bear.

But the Rams can't do that to us, IMO. They don't have the interior LBs to hang with Kelce without putting Joyner on him. Joyner is damn good and can do a lot to neutralize Kelce but Kelce lines up wide so often that Joyner isolated on Kelce opens up significant RPO options for Hunt. Moreover, if Joyner is dedicated to Kelce, their CBs will get absolutely destroyed by Watkins and Hill.

They have to collapse our interior or they will lose damn near every defensive snap. Any play that the Rams can't push the pocket into Mahomes lap should yield something near first down yardage (and Andy is so damn smart that he can do some misdirection with the short passing game to slow them down and keep Hunt in the fight as well, IMO).

I think we have an easier path to slowing them on offense.

I'm going full 'Because Chiefs' here and saying we'll lose - I'm just conditioned to do it. But man their defense matches up like ass against our offense. And our defense is not the shit sandwich that people believe it is. There is a fair amount of talent here and the guys we don't consider 'talent' like Nelson and Scandrick are playing their asses off. I actually like our talent more than theirs in this matchup.

Matchups make fights and our matchup is better here, IMO.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by The Pest

I’m going into this game expecting a loss. I don’t know if this defense can do enough to stop the Rams.

Get out of here with that shit! How is their defense any better than ours?

[NJChiefsFan]

My frustration will come if we let Gurley pick up easy 3rd down conversions on easy passes. We do that a lot. Teams somehow forget about Gurley coming out of the backfield.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Get out of here with that shit! How is their defense any better than ours?

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Again - 46 defense this week.

It's gonna be tough for the corners, but they've done solid work thus far. Let them prove it - none of the Rams corners are that sort of Julio Jones combination of size/strength/speed. None of them are impossibly difficult matchups.

Get in a 46 look and MAKE them beat you. Do not let Todd !@#$ing Gurley pick us apart 6-8 yards at a time. If Cooks, Woods or Reynolds end up beating you for 6, fine. Take the ball back and go score.

But you cannot let them keep that D on the field for 35+ minutes by abusing us with Gurley. These corners have earned the chance to prove their mettle.

We have the best pass rush in the NFL. Stack the box and get after Goff.

Let's do it

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

especially with a deep threat like Cooks who will absolutely get behind Nelson a few times.

Beaver on Beaver.

Every time I watch the Rams, they will hit that pass to Gurley out of the backfield over and over I don't understand how defenders can lose track of him so often. You would think covering their best player would be a priority.