1/31 Meck Mock - Page 2

Chris Meck · 10:46 AM

Tag and trade Ford-receive GB's #30 pick, Roger is 35. They're going all in to get back in the hunt immediately.

Houston, Berry, Sorensen- (Dirty Dan any time, doesn't matter.) June 1 cuts free up: $27.7

2019 cap room: Spotrac estimates $36 million. I've seen $44 and as low as $28 so I'm taking the median.

I re-sign: Sherman, Butker, Allen, Devey, West, Lucas. roughly $11 million total.

FA:
I sign Landon Collins, SS to a 5 year deal at $9.4 per. He'll be 30 when the deal is up.

I sign KJ Wright to a 3 year deal at $7 million per. He's 30, coming off an injury season so that's about right. A leader on field, plays SAM. Seahawks will move on.

I sign Chris Long to a 2 year deal at $3 million per. Veteran stop gap, high leadership quality, still had 7 sacks in 2018.

Draft: Chiefs have #29, #30, #61, #64, #92 in first 3 rounds, no 4th, plus 5, 6, 7.

#29 Jaylon Ferguson, DE/Edge, Lousiana Tech
#30 Deandre Baker, CB, Georgia
#61, Rock Ya-Sin, CB, Temple. Spags likes CB's early and often.
#64 CJ Conrad, TE, Kentucky. Reid gets a new toy with a #2 TE that can actually catch the ball. Hey, he blocks, too! What do you know.
#92 Erik McCoy, OC, Texas A&M. competes with Reiter day 1 to start.
#156, Joe Gaziano, DT, Northwestern. solid pass rusher, high motor guy.
#187 D'Cota Dixon, S, Wisconsin. Ball hawking FS.
#192 Porter Gustin, OLB, USC. Future SAM prospect.

with the June 1 savings, I extend Jones and Hill.

Collins, Jones, and the young guys are the future of the defense. Long and Wright add strong leadership, mentoring the young guys, have been leaders on strong defenses and still have a little left in the tank.
CB-Baker, Fuller, Ya-Sin, Ward (now a killer corps)
at S, Collins, Lucas, Watts, and Dixon is real solid and versatile.
LB corps with Hitchens, O'Daniel and Wright looks good.
D-line, Long rotates with Ferguson at RDE, Jones, Nnadi, Gaziano looks good inside, Speaks/Kpass at LDE is solid.

Added a C and a nice TE for Reid to play with.

And it would all fit under the cap. Most importantly, I didn't do anything to screw the team cap-wise in the future. Reasonable deals and as long as we draft well, we're in the hunt every year.

*I used Spotrac's market estimations for all FA deals.

Dante84 · 01-31-2019, 11:53 AM

Sorensen played the game of his life against the Pats and Andy loves mormons. I think Dirty Dan returns this year.

Chris Meck · 01-31-2019, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84

Sorensen played the game of his life against the Pats and Andy loves mormons. I think Dirty Dan returns this year.

not at $4.6 million.

Hoover · 01-31-2019, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

not at $4.6 million.

I don't like Sorenson's cap number either but releasing him is only going to net us $2.7 in cap space. He is also at a position where we have limited depth and an issue with Berry. So again, are we really going to cut the guy because we have to have the 2.7M in cap relief he provides? I don't see it.

Chris Meck · 01-31-2019, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

I don't like Sorenson's cap number either but releasing him is only going to net us $2.7 in cap space. He is also at a position where we have limited depth and an issue with Berry. So again, are we really going to cut the guy because we have to have the 2.7M in cap relief he provides? I don't see it.

$3.6 million June 1st.

shrug.

bowener · 01-31-2019, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Houston would be an excellent RDE, I agree. I don't undervalue him at all, I just don't think anyone is worth $21 million on our cap that isn't named Mahomes. Nobody's going to pay Houston $21 million, so unless he seriously restructures, I don't see anyone taking him on trade. Easier to just wait until he's cut and then sign him on whatever you negotiate. I'd keep Houston in a heartbeat if you can get him to a reasonable cap number. I'm not certain you can, which is why I chose to cut him and sign Chris Long, who was nearly as productive at 1/5 the cost.

Long has a ring, has played on several good teams and been a leader for a long time. He and Wright along with Collins would be pretty stable leadership. That's why I chose them. Long is obviously a 1 to 2 year stop gap, so that's why I drafted Ferguson to spell/replace him.

The Colts and 9ers both need pass rushers, and would absolutely take Houston. If he walks you get essentially a 4th round draft pick for him. Either of those teams would probably be willing to give up at minimum a 3rd just to secure the rights to sign him long term. Ballard in Indy knows Houston is a solid player and veteran without an ego.

O.city · 01-31-2019, 02:10 PM

You guys can keep trying to cut berry. I don't see it.

Chargem · 01-31-2019, 03:04 PM

I think there's two sorts of mock drafts, one is "what I think the Chiefs will do" and the other is "what I would do if I had free reign at the Chiefs".

This one fits into the second category, but it really is a good one, well done. I sort of wish you would have laid out the full roster just to make it easier to visualize. I think you have Williams Williams West at running back which I am fine with, but isn't the WR cupboard pretty bare?

Chris Meck · 01-31-2019, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

The Colts and 9ers both need pass rushers, and would absolutely take Houston. If he walks you get essentially a 4th round draft pick for him. Either of those teams would probably be willing to give up at minimum a 3rd just to secure the rights to sign him long term. Ballard in Indy knows Houston is a solid player and veteran without an ego.

Most teams would take him. Who wants to take him at $21 million? NOBODY. I'd love to keep him at $12 million. Doubtful we can get his number down that far.

He's 30. He's often injured. He's productive when he plays, but not $21 million worth of production. He's overpriced at this point in his career. You're not trading that contract. Plus, every team would know if we were actively shopping him that he's not in our plans; therefore they just wait until we cut him and then go negotiate a deal with him.

Chris Meck · 01-31-2019, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargem

I think there's two sorts of mock drafts, one is "what I think the Chiefs will do" and the other is "what I would do if I had free reign at the Chiefs".

This one fits into the second category, but it really is a good one, well done. I sort of wish you would have laid out the full roster just to make it easier to visualize. I think you have Williams Williams West at running back which I am fine with, but isn't the WR cupboard pretty bare?

It's absolutely that. It's what I would do.

I'll bet we end up stuck with Berry and either Houston OR Ford, but not both.

WR room is a little bare and dependent on our bottom of the roster guys continuing to improve some.
Hill-Watkins-Robinson-and Dieter/Kemp/Pringle. I don't think Conley's better than Robinson, and we haven't seen much of the other 3. But, I think we're 3 deep anyway, and that's pretty decent in the modern cap era of the NFL.

Chargem · 01-31-2019, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84

Sorensen played the game of his life against the Pats and Andy loves mormons. I think Dirty Dan returns this year.

But did Sorenson have a good game? He had a good tackle on 4th and 1, for sure. He had an interception. But it was a deflection that came right at him, it wasn't great coverage or skill or positioning he just caught a ball which came straight at him.

And for some reason lost in the mix is that he had several missed tackles and gave up 75 yards in coverage that game. Was it really that good?

Chris Meck · 01-31-2019, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargem

But did Sorenson have a good game? He had a good tackle on 4th and 1, for sure. He had an interception. But it was a deflection that came right at him, it wasn't great coverage or skill or positioning he just caught a ball which came straight at him.

And for some reason lost in the mix is that he had several missed tackles and gave up 75 yards in coverage that game. Was it really that good?

'zactly.

He's JAG. You can get that for league minimum.

DJ's left nut · 01-31-2019, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

You guys can keep trying to cut berry. I don't see it.

I can't even bring myself to retype it anymore.

You have to be seeing only what you want to see to base any kind of projections on that possibility.

Beerthirty · 01-31-2019, 05:04 PM

I'm on board with tagging and trading Ford. I know pass rushers take a while to develop but I really think we get burned if we pay him. I could be wrong. I like this mock and offseason

htismaqe · 01-31-2019, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I can't even bring myself to retype it anymore.

You have to be seeing only what you want to see to base any kind of projections on that possibility.

Do you really think the Chiefs are going to cut him?

I don't. I think they're going to keep him around. They love him. Andy loves him.

Chris Meck · 01-31-2019, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I can't even bring myself to retype it anymore.

You have to be seeing only what you want to see to base any kind of projections on that possibility.

Look, I'll buy the arguments against if you can show me one semi-official statement that his injury will preclude a June 1 cut.

All I've seen is speculation on this board. Whether it's a 'football injury' or a 'non-football injury' or whether there's any kind of clause at all that says you can't cut him without dire cap consequences. I HAVE seen respected media members speculate that he could be a cap casualty on June 1.

so while I am interested in everyone's opinions and speculations, there's been no definitive word about whether or not this can or cannot be done by anyone who's job it is to know such things.

I've even asked for some definitive word; some link to someone in the know who could say for sure.

Nobody's come forward with anything. My queries go ignored.

So until then, yeah, I think if you CAN, you cut a guy that's your 3rd highest cap number who hasn't played meaninful football in two ****ing years. Not because I'm pissed at him, or think he's a piece of shit, or a bad person; or because I'm frustrated. I'd cut him because he's expensive, and you can't count on him and won't be able to this year either.

So YOU can say we can't cut him because INJURY, but you don't KNOW THAT. You SUSPECT that, you're PRETTY SURE of that, but you have absolutely no PROOF that it's the case.

If you've got some, I'm all ears. Until then, let us have fun playing armchair, GM, yeah? Where's your mock?

01-31-2019, 08:48 AM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $2024910	1/31 Meck Mock Tag and trade Ford-receive GB's #30 pick, Roger is 35. They're going all in to get back in the hunt immediately. Houston, Berry, Sorensen- (Dirty Dan any time, doesn't matter.) June 1 cuts free up: $27.7 2019 cap room: Spotrac estimates $36 million. I've seen $44 and as low as $28 so I'm taking the median. I re-sign: Sherman, Butker, Allen, Devey, West, Lucas. roughly $11 million total. FA: I sign Landon Collins, SS to a 5 year deal at $9.4 per. He'll be 30 when the deal is up. I sign KJ Wright to a 3 year deal at $7 million per. He's 30, coming off an injury season so that's about right. A leader on field, plays SAM. Seahawks will move on. I sign Chris Long to a 2 year deal at $3 million per. Veteran stop gap, high leadership quality, still had 7 sacks in 2018. Draft: Chiefs have #29, #30, #61, #64, #92 in first 3 rounds, no 4th, plus 5, 6, 7. #29 Jaylon Ferguson, DE/Edge, Lousiana Tech #30 Deandre Baker, CB, Georgia #61, Rock Ya-Sin, CB, Temple. Spags likes CB's early and often. #64 CJ Conrad, TE, Kentucky. Reid gets a new toy with a #2 TE that can actually catch the ball. Hey, he blocks, too! What do you know. #92 Erik McCoy, OC, Texas A&M. competes with Reiter day 1 to start. #156, Joe Gaziano, DT, Northwestern. solid pass rusher, high motor guy. #187 D'Cota Dixon, S, Wisconsin. Ball hawking FS. #192 Porter Gustin, OLB, USC. Future SAM prospect. with the June 1 savings, I extend Jones and Hill. Collins, Jones, and the young guys are the future of the defense. Long and Wright add strong leadership, mentoring the young guys, have been leaders on strong defenses and still have a little left in the tank. CB-Baker, Fuller, Ya-Sin, Ward (now a killer corps) at S, Collins, Lucas, Watts, and Dixon is real solid and versatile. LB corps with Hitchens, O'Daniel and Wright looks good. D-line, Long rotates with Ferguson at RDE, Jones, Nnadi, Gaziano looks good inside, Speaks/Kpass at LDE is solid. Added a C and a nice TE for Reid to play with. And it would all fit under the cap. Most importantly, I didn't do anything to screw the team cap-wise in the future. Reasonable deals and as long as we draft well, we're in the hunt every year. I used Spotrac's market estimations for all FA deals. Last edited by Chris Meck; 01-31-2019 at 10:46 AM.. Reason: point of clarification*
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01-31-2019, 11:53 AM	#16
Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $1871996 VARSITY	Sorensen played the game of his life against the Pats and Andy loves mormons. I think Dirty Dan returns this year.
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01-31-2019, 02:10 PM	#21
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2834064	You guys can keep trying to cut berry. I don't see it.
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01-31-2019, 03:04 PM	#22
Chargem Veteran Join Date: Feb 2018 Casino cash: $3990400	I think there's two sorts of mock drafts, one is "what I think the Chiefs will do" and the other is "what I would do if I had free reign at the Chiefs". This one fits into the second category, but it really is a good one, well done. I sort of wish you would have laid out the full roster just to make it easier to visualize. I think you have Williams Williams West at running back which I am fine with, but isn't the WR cupboard pretty bare?
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01-31-2019, 05:04 PM	#28
Beerthirty Starter Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: St.Joseph MO Casino cash: $9954915	I'm on board with tagging and trading Ford. I know pass rushers take a while to develop but I really think we get burned if we pay him. I could be wrong. I like this mock and offseason
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