Terez Paylor's QB ratings

[RunKC]

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[Hog's Gone Fishin]

If we're going to take one at 27 I hope it's Mahomes.He seems to have a higher ceiling with a great arm.

[Dunerdr]

That's what I thought initially but after some thought and consideration all that talent doesn't mean shit. Most great qbs are middle of the pack physically but leaps and bounds ahead mentally (atleast in thier scheme understanding). The deck is stacked against mahomes in almost every way. I hope a clevland or someone bites and allows one of these other guys fall to us.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

That's what I thought initially but after some thought and consideration all that talent doesn't mean shit. Most great qbs are middle of the pack physically but leaps and bounds ahead mentally (atleast in thier scheme understanding). The deck is stacked against mahomes in almost every way. I hope a clevland or someone bites and allows one of these other guys fall to us.

"Leaps and bounds ahead mentally"

Like Alex and all those gigabytes?

Favre did not even know what nickel defense was until a couple years in the pros. He was pretty dumb. He was also pretty good......

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

"Leaps and bounds ahead mentally"

Like Alex and all those gigabytes?

Favre did not even know what nickel defense was until a couple years in the pros. He was pretty dumb. He was also pretty good......

No, not like Alex.

He might be book smart, which leads to an ability to grasp concepts, but he isn't field smart.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

"Leaps and bounds ahead mentally"

Like Alex and all those gigabytes?

Favre did not even know what nickel defense was until a couple years in the pros. He was pretty dumb. He was also pretty good......

So because favre was a success, we should draft a QB with bad decision making. Ok.
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[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by -King-

So because favre was a success, we should draft a QB with bad decision making. Ok.
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Yes exactly what I said.


Don't be obtuse.

My devil's advocate position is to point out that "mental strength" in a qb can be diverse and overrated. You could have a guy who has every player's responsibility memorized, can read defenses pre-snap, memorize verbiage of 700 plays but then..... shits down his leg at the first sign of pressure and throws all that mental edge out the window.

Decision making may be related to the mental game, but there is something to be said about trusting your teammates, believing you can make plays and having the nuts to stand in there and deal.

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

That's what I thought initially but after some thought and consideration all that talent doesn't mean shit. Most great qbs are middle of the pack physically but leaps and bounds ahead mentally (atleast in thier scheme understanding). The deck is stacked against mahomes in almost every way. I hope a clevland or someone bites and allows one of these other guys fall to us.

The difference between great and good QBs is the clutch factor. It's about leadership. It's about the ability to carry a team when needed most. It's about 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives. How many NFL games come down to the end?

This is why guys like Tebow and Manziel went in the first. This is why undersized Russell Wilson went in the 3rd instead of the 5th as originally projected. The guy had six fourth quarter comebacks and fame winning drives in one season at Wisconsin.

This is the most important quality for NFL IMO. You don't draft a guy in the first or second round who doesn't have that type of ability and leadership.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Black Bob

The difference between great and good QBs is the clutch factor. It's about leadership. It's about the ability to carry a team when needed most.

Not in a team game. People want to fantasize that a QB does everything on his own.. but he needs the people around him to do their job too.

Imagine if Bowe taps that second foot.. imagine if Fisher doesn't get a holding flag... imagine several more instances in meaningful games... and the entire outside perception flips on its head. Even a few single plays.. in different games.. in different years.. where a certain player steps up strong instead of folds.. for his QB.

I do believe that some mentalities are inherently unwavering in strength, while some are weak and breakable... and you need to have a QB that stays confident that they will win out.

I don't believe in this mystical, magical clutch-gene. Not from Joe Montana... not from anyone.

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Not in a team game. People want to fantasize that a QB does everything on his own.. but he needs the people around him to do their job too.

Imagine if Bowe taps that second foot.. imagine if Fisher doesn't get a holding flag... imagine several more instances in meaningful games... and the entire outside perception flips on its head. Even a few single plays.. in different games.. in different years.. where a certain player steps up strong instead of folds.. for his QB.

I do believe that some mentalities are inherently unwavering in strength, while some are weak and breakable... and you need to have a QB that stays confident that they will win out.

I don't believe in this mystical, magical clutch-gene. Not from Joe Montana... not from anyone.

Great moments aren't possible without great opportunities. You don't get great opportunities in the NFL without a clutch QB.

[-King-]

I just don't see what the difference between Mahomes and Bray is in terms of talent. I get that Mahomes had much better stats but that's only because he was in an air raid offense versus the worst defensive conference in college football whereas Bray played in the SEC.
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[staylor26]

Originally Posted by -King-

I just don't see what the difference between Mahomes and Bray is in terms of talent. I get that Mahomes had much better stats but that's only because he was in an air raid offense versus the worst defensive conference in college football whereas Bray played in the SEC.
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Umm ones gonna be a 1st round pick, while the other was an UDFA. They're not even in the same stratosphere as prospects.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Umm ones gonna be a 1st round pick, while the other was an UDFA. They're not even in the same stratosphere as prospects.

Ok tell me how they're different in terms of ability. Mahomes is more athletic, I'll give you that. What else?
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[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by -King-

Ok tell me how they're different in terms of ability. Mahomes is more athletic, I'll give you that. What else?
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You're literally comparing them because of their arm strength. That's it.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

You're literally comparing them because of their arm strength. That's it.

Exactly. He's also completely ignoring intangibles/character.