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Old 11-03-2016, 09:11 PM  
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*** Official 2017 Royals Offseason Repository ***

The reign is over. Time to begin the quest for the next one.

Interesting offseason opens for the Royals. Will they go all in for one last shot with this crew? Will they re-tool for 2018 and beyond? Will Dayton Moore actually decrease payroll this time?

Trades, free agent signings, rumors, plans, proposals... dump 'em all here, for this is... the offseason repository!

Royals Top Prospects, 2017

This is a list that’s going to seem a little bleak initially, as Raul Mondesi got enough ABs to age out of the prospect rankings (just barely – at 135 ABs, he is not rookie eligible). But that said, I like the talent and feel like this is a system that will actually be underrated by the prospect services.

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Old 12-07-2016, 04:31 PM   #826
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Lol you are such a homer
No I'm not at all. Quintana has 4 years of control and is a goddamn good number 2 LHP. You don't package him with Eaton.
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Old 12-07-2016, 04:32 PM   #827
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This is why I don't get the Royals. Should've spent money because the Sox and Twins are irrelevant. It's there for the taking. Detroit is aging but can still hit. Indians are the main threat.
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Old 12-07-2016, 04:33 PM   #828
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Old 12-07-2016, 04:37 PM   #829
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Usually, but re: KC 2017. You can't lump KC with all small markets for this season. We are not the Reds or Rays playing in a rough division. This thing is very winnable. Our window is open even with a team that looks .500 on paper


With Cain we were +13 last year. Really if he stays healthy (if!) this roster is no diff than last year's.
Hey, I've changed my mind.

The Royals are 3 years away from getting strafed by the !@#$ing Chisox, might as well try to grab another playoff run and see if you get lucky. They just put together a brand new rotation full of guys that can throw 100. That's unreal. Giolito and Lopez with Kopech and Rodon...man, that's some friggen gas right there. And really, they could still move Robertson for value and install Nate Jones for the future.

And while Frazier/Abreu won't get much back, Quintana will. Get on the horn with Chicago as I have to believe the Cubs see this as a direct assault on them. As JD noted, their rotation thins out a great deal after this season so why wouldn't they give up Happ, Jiminez and Candelario?

Lord, the Chisox just friggen re-loaded.
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With that said, prospects all have a bust chance. We'll see how it goes in 2 years.
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Old 12-07-2016, 04:42 PM   #831
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Hey, I've changed my mind.

The Royals are 3 years away from getting strafed by the !@#$ing Chisox, might as well try to grab another playoff run and see if you get lucky. They just put together a brand new rotation full of guys that can throw 100. That's unreal. Giolito and Lopez with Kopech and Rodon...man, that's some friggen gas right there. And really, they could still move Robertson for value and install Nate Jones for the future.

And while Frazier/Abreu won't get much back, Quintana will. Get on the horn with Chicago as I have to believe the Cubs see this as a direct assault on them. As JD noted, their rotation thins out a great deal after this season so why wouldn't they give up Happ, Jiminez and Candelario?

Lord, the Chisox just friggen re-loaded.
They can also hold onto Abreu for another few months or another year and let him mentor Moncada when he comes up.
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I'm curious about Royals fans thoughts on Soler? Pumped?
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And while Frazier/Abreu won't get much back, Quintana will. Get on the horn with Chicago as I have to believe the Cubs see this as a direct assault on them. As JD noted, their rotation thins out a great deal after this season so why wouldn't they give up Happ, Jiminez and Candelario?
I think the Cubs are more likely to sign an injury rehab player like Tyson Ross and hope he bounces back and ready to insert in the rotation for 2018.
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All right, now that things have sunk in a bit and apparently we have a few quiet minutes ... Thought I'd break down what the Royals lineup/depth chart look like with the trade in mind.

General comment: OFfensively, I think you're improved even if Soler continues to be an enigmatic hitter. it's obviously a major improvement/boost if he lives up to the potential.

Would guess the lineup might look something like this (if Dyson is traded, it changes again):

Dyson (CF/RF)
Moustakas (3B/DH)
Cain (CF/RF/DH)
Hosmer (1B)
Perez (C - for now. If Soler hits, he'll take this spot quickly)
Gordon (LF)
Soler (RF/DH)
Merrifield (2B primarily, but also LF, RF, 3B)
Escobar (SS)

Rotation:

Duffy
Kennedy
Ventura
Vargas
Chris Young/Mike Minor/Strahm/16 other guys

Bullpen:

Herrera
Strahm (still think he ends up here for at least 2017)
FA signing (could be Hochevar, could be another scrap-heap guy they kind of resurrect) or internal option (Zimmer and Staumont both could be here, if Zimmer can stay healthy or Staumont can throw enough strikes)
Soria
Flynn

That's a team that still has a big question mark at the No. 5 spot in the rotation. If Moore can swing Jarrod Dyson for a guy to add some insurance at that spot, things start to look rosier.

Jharel Cotton is a guy that seems to be out of reach for JUST Dyson by himself, but I wonder what a sweetener like Hunter Dozier or Cheslor Cuthbert or Jorge Bonifacio would do for you.

I don't love giving up those guys, but in this case you'd be picking up a controllable young starter, and exchanging a controllable young position player. I'm going to dream and say they find a way to get Cotton (maybe they throw in a Miguel Almonte or Eric Skoglund to get the deal done).

Looking at 2018 and beyond, your core looks like this:

Position players:

SS - Mondesi
C - Perez
RF - Soler
LF - Gordon
3B - Dozier or Cuthbert

Starting Pitching:
Ventura
Kennedy
Cotton

Bullpen:
Herrera
Strahm
Staumont/Zimmer (or maybe even both)

Funny how adding one quality SP and one quality/high upside bat makes that look a lot different. If you want to dream a little, let's say the Royals also manage to extend Mike Moustakas and Danny Duffy and add them to the pool. Now you've got a team you expect to stay in it for the long haul.
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Old 12-07-2016, 05:01 PM   #837
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Duncan, Moore also has talked about rebuilding the bullpen. You think Dyson could fetch Sean Doolittle? The Royals previously have been linked to him, and he's under control for 4 years (that includes 2 team options) at reasonable prices.
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Also, here's a wild-ass idea: If Zimmer is A) healthy in the spring, and B) impressive, immediately put him in the ML bullpen to start the season so they can get SOMETHING out of him before he breaks down again.
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Duncan, Moore also has talked about rebuilding the bullpen. You think Dyson could fetch Sean Doolittle? The Royals previously have been linked to him, and he's under control for 4 years (that includes 2 team options) at reasonable prices.
Doolittle is trending dangerously close to that 'his arm may be hamburger' stage of his career.

Guys with injuries that are never fully diagnosed scare the hell out of me. Baseball is littered with guys who feel 'a knot', spend some time on the DL, have 3 or 4 truncated comebacks and then just kinda suck for awhile before they disappear.

Doolittle, like the Cards own Michael Wacha, isn't there yet. But he's getting closer. Gimme a TJ surgery over those guys with 'stiffness' every couple of months every time.
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Also, here's a wild-ass idea: If Zimmer is A) healthy in the spring, and B) impressive, immediately put him in the ML bullpen to start the season so they can get SOMETHING out of him before he breaks down again.
Zimmer's like my 2008 Nissan Pathfinder that needs to get smog-checked. On one of those crazy days where the Check Engine light isn't on, I drive that thing to the smog shop so fast you barely see me...get it tested, then it breaks down again.
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