The Le'Veon Bell Mock - Page 2

kccrow · 12-07-2018, 11:34 PM

So, Direkshun wants a Le'Veon Bell mock, eh?

Here goes (mind you I'd, personally, never sign Bell)...

Extensions

WR Tyreek Hill: It's imperative to lock up the team's most dynamic player long-term and give Mahomes a weapon for the foreseeable future. Hill must be retained and he won't get cheaper.
5 years/$95.0m contract extension with $65m in guarantees, $42m guaranteed at signing, and $20m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 6.097 2020: 18.75 2021: 19.25 2022: 19.75 2023: 18.25 2024: 15.00
Notes: Hill will earn the NFL Proven Performance Escalator for the last year of his rookie deal which means his base salary will increase to the Right of First Refusal tender amount. That amount was $1.907 million in 2018 and increases by the percentage the cap increases with a minimum of 5% and a maximum of 10%. If the NFL carries through with an approximate 6% increase in the cap, then that base will be $2.02 million, which was used in the 2019 cap estimate.

DL Chris Jones: I've been preaching the same thing Andy Reid mentioned not too long ago: the quickest route to the QB is a straight line and having defensive lineman that can get after them up the middle is better than good edge rushers in today's NFL that sees QBs get the ball out quicker than ever. Jones has stepped up his game considerably and we should project that to continue.
5 years, $85.0m contract extension with $42.5m in guarantees, $36.0m guaranteed at signing, $17.5m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 5.483 2020: 15.75 2021: 16.75 2022: 16.75 2023: 16.50 2024: 16.75

2019 Cap Effect (includes Hill PPE): +$8.8m

Restructures

SS Eric Berry: Agrees to convert $8.0m of base salary in 2019 to a signing bonus, freeing up $6.0m in cap space for 2019. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 10.50 2020: 15.50 2021: 18.00 2022: 16.00
Notes: Berry has offseason surgery to repair the Haglund's deformity in his heel and will rehab throughout the summer. We actually see him play before December in 2019!

2019 Cap Effect: -$6.0m

Tags/Tenders

ED Dee Ford: Franchise Tag estimated $15.4m (more later)
FS Jordan Lucas: RFA Original Round Tender estimated $2.02m
OC Austin Reiter: RFA Original Round Tender estimated $2.02m (I'm just going to leave this in here until the details of his extension are released)
DL Justin Hamilton: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus
PK Harrison Butker: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus
WR Markus Kemp: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus
WR Gehrig Deiter: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus

2019 Cap Effect: +$21.88m

Free Agent Signings

RB Le'Veon Bell (PIT): Chiefs address their RB position by going for the top back in free agency, and perhaps in the NFL to replace the departed Kareem Hunt. Someone will pay what he wants for his production, so why not the Chiefs... right? Right?
4 years/$72.0m with $32.0m guaranteed at signing, including a $24m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 14.50 2020: 17.50 2021 18.50 2022: 21.50

TE Maxx Williams (BAL): Williams has had alot of injuries throughout his career but he's still extremely young and has flashed what made him a high round pick. He'd make an excellent number two type with solid hands, route running, and blocking ability.
3 years/$9.0m with $1.5m signing bonus, and $1.0m roster bonuses in 2020 and 2021 if he's on the roster the 5th day of the new league year. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 2.00 2020: 3.25 2021: 3.75

CB E.J. Gaines (CLE): A native of Lee's Summit, Gaines may want to return home. Gaines is a solid CB but has an injury history. He should come relatively cheap given that he has missed some games this year after signing a 1 year deal for $4m in Cleveland but he's been very solid when on the field.
3 years/$14m with $5.0m guaranteed and $3.0m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 3.75 2020: 4.75 2021: 5.50

2019 Cap Effect: +$20.25m

Free Agent Re-Signings

CB Steven Nelson: Nelson has proven to be a solid CB here in KC as a starter with continued improvement throughout his tenure. If the team can expect him to continue to play as well or better than he has this year then he deserves a re-signing.
4 years/$31.0m with $10.0m guaranteed at signing, and $6.0m signing bonus and another $6.0m guaranteed (salary) if on the roster the 5th day of the 2020 league year. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 5.50 2020: 7.75 2021: 8.50 2022: 9.25

RB Spencer Ware: Ware is just a solid all-around back and that makes it difficult to get rid of him. Once he was healthy, Reid immediately turned to him as Hunt's primary backup and he's been nothing but a team player. I think he's brought back on a friendly deal.
2 year/$3.0m with $500k roster bonuses in each year. Estimated Cap Hits: 2019: $1.40 2020: 1.60

All PS on Minimal Deals that likely don't affect Top-51.

2019 Cap Effect: +6.90m

Let Walk

DE Allen Bailey - Bailey has definitely ran too hot and cold since receiving his deal and his performance against the run has dropped considerably. It's time to move on.
FB Anthony Sherman - Sherman is probably the best pure fullback in the NFL and he's excellent on special teams, but he's not especially worth tying up a couple million per year on. The league is moving to more of an H-back roll at the position where receiving is a big deal. Sherman is a good receiver, but he's a tank going down the field. I look for him to move on.
CB Orlando Scandrick - Scandrick has been a nice stop-gap, but certainly not the answer long-term and his lapses can be atrocious. If he can be brought back on the cheap, I'd re-sign him but it'd have to be cheap.
TE Demetrius Harris - He never developed on his last contract enough to bother retaining him and his hands are stone. Time to move on.
FS Josh Shaw - Hasn't really been on the field much to flash anything. Could be a vet min re-signing but I'm not banking on it.
RB Damien Williams - Doesn't have any noteworthy production to bother bringing back, but may change my mind between now and the end of season if he's given more opportunities.
OC Mitch Morse - Too many concussions and too much time in the tub. He's great when he's on the field but you can't give the guy a contract with that history.
FS Ron Parker - He was dumped last year for good reason but brought back to continue his garbage play. The team really needs a much better solution long-term.
WR De'Anthony Thomas - A nice kick return option if he's healthy, but he's always missing time. It's time to move on and find a healthier alternative.
OLB Frank Zombo - See above. Wouldn't be here if not for injury.
ILB Terrence Smith - Definitely has shown nothing to make me think the Chiefs should retain him for any reason, and certainly not at a $2m tender. Adios amigo.
WR Chris Conley - The problem I have with Chris Conley is not his talent, it's that the Chiefs have some serious money tied up in the position and you start looking at what Buehler talks about in terms of salary per units of production and you have a hard time fitting Conley in. He's a solid receiver that's going to catch the balls he's thrown but when he gives you 1 catch a game most of the time then you gotta tell yourself you can find that production from a really cheap guy.

Trades

Chiefs trade Dee Ford to the Seattle Seahawks for the 25th overall selection (based upon current standings).
Note: My mindset is that the Chiefs must do their best to extend Hill and Jones since they appear to be lynchpins. Ford is a nice player, but inconsistent although very much improved. I'd be okay signing the kid on a deal not that far off of what I'm handing Bell in this mock but you can't have everything. Tag and trade is the logical choice and I think he could bring a 1st round pick.
Chiefs trade #25 selection and 2018 2nd round selection to the Colts for the 15th overall selection.
I could have just sent Ford and a 2nd to the Colts for a first but what's the fun in that?

2019 Cap Effect: -$15.4m

Draft

Estimated Rookie Pool: $6.46m
2019 Cap Effect: +$2.50m

1. FS Deionte Thompson, Alabama (6'2" 195)
A missile coming down hill in the run game and very solid in pass coverage, he's this year's best safety. Athleticism to run all over the field and play single high. If Veach doesn't get his man in free agency, then I believe he's going to be aggressive in fixing the weakest link on the defense.
1. DL Jerry Tillery, Notre Dame (6'6" 305)
A monster in the middle that can push the pocket very similarly to Chris Jones. Destroyed Michigan and Stanford this year.
2. ED DeAndre Walker, Georgia (6'2" 250)
Walker is the type of 3-4 OLB I think the NFL will be trending to more and more. He's a bit undersized, but he's quick and exteremly versatile in that he can rush the passer and is very functional in coverage. Very similar body type to Dee Ford.
3. WR Anthony Ratliff-Williams, North Carolina (6'1" 205)
Built like Sammy Watkins with good speed, good hands, and excellent downfield tracking ability. Very good at high-pointing the football in traffic. Good acceleration off the line and quickness in and out of breaks. Outstanding return specialist.
5. DL Kingsley Keke, Texas A&M (6'4" 305)
Another defensive lineman with good initial burst and quickness that can disrupt the LOS. The Chiefs will have to double-dip at DE whether it be in the draft or a combination of that and FA.
6. LB Ulysees Gilbert III, Akron (6'0" 225)
Off-ball, weakside linebacker with outstanding range and speed. Excellent coverage linebacker. If the Chiefs don't go after a top-tier starter, they need to at least fill in the depth and special teams.
7. OL Sean Rawlings, Ole Miss (6'5" 295)
Athletic offensive lineman with experience at OT and C, but looks best inside. He'll need to get stronger at the pro level.

Total Estimated Remaining Cap Space: $5.51m

Roster (Not representative of 53)

QB: Patrick Mahomes, Chad Henne, Chase Litton
RB: Le'Veon Bell, Spencer Ware, Darrel Williams
FB:
TE: Travis Kelce, Maxx Williams, Deon Yelder
WR: Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Demarcus Robinson, Anthony Ratliff-Williams, Byron Pringle, Marcus Kemp, Gehrig Dieter
OT: Eric Fisher, Mitchell Schwartz, Andrew Wylie
OG: Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, Cameron Erving, Ryan Hunter, Khalil McKenzie
OC: Austin Reiter, Sean Rawlings, Jimmy Murray
DE: Chris Jones, Jerry Tillery, Kingsley Keke, Justin Hamilton, Joey Ivie
NT: Derrick Nnadi, Xavier Williams
OLB: Justin Houston, Breeland Speaks, DeAndre Walker, Tanoh Kpassagnon, Rob McCray
ILB: Anthony Hitchens, Dorian O'Daniel, Ben Niemann, Reggie Ragland, Ulysees Gilbert III
CB: Kendall Fuller, Steven Nelson, E.J. Gaines, Charvarius Ward, Tremon Smith, D'Montre Wade
FS: Deionte Thompson, Jordan Lucas, Eric Murray
SS: Eric Berry, Daniel Sorensen, Armani Watts
ST: Harrison Butker, Dustin Colquitt, James Winchester

**Buehler445** · 12-08-2018, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

SMH at this clown crying over someone having a diferent opinion to him

.No-one is gonna pay Bell "qb money" you idiot. And what has happened in the past IS THE PAST. We have a kid called Mahomes now, the landscape has changed.

Whatever dude. You come in here whaling like a **** that “I don’t like Bell” because I don’t want to pay him 4/72/32 guaranteed.

I get he’s arguably the best back in the league but rather than refute my argument that you can’t pay RBs that you simply say money doesn’t matter because mahomes. So your answer is that I’m crying because you have a different opinions.

So rather than talk ball you assert that I hate Bell and cry when someone has a different opinion and contribute nothing but “Because Mahomes”.

Welcome to Ignore.

kccrow · 12-08-2018, 02:12 PM

I only did Bell because Direkshun wanted to see a mock done with the Chiefs getting him. I'd go after different players. Also, I think you have to factor in long-term cap health and with Jones, Hill, and Bell you'd have some hefty salaries on the docket the next few seasons. I don't think you can do that, I think you have to get some cheaper options and spread the money out.

The Eagles cap situation could mean Jordan Hicks hits the market at ILB and he'd be a good get. I'd probably still look hard at Darby on a 1-year, incentive laden, "prove-it" deal coming off that ACL. I'd even sign him long-term if he works out well come March but that is pushing the timetable a bit. He'd actually be perfectly on par for training camp at 9 months in.

I'm doubting the Vikings will be able to keep Brett Jones in the fold and I think he's a great target to get relatively cheap to compete as the starting Center.

Markus Golden is a guy I like that I think you could get cheap as a rotational OLB and if he gets back to playing at the level he was before his injury in 2017 then you have a steal.

To be honest, though, this free agent class on the defensive side of the ball is kind of bad unless you want to way overpay for old guys. I'm not buying guys like Sheldon Richardson, Ndamkung Suh, Earl Thomas, and Lamarcus Joyner at their age and salary. The CB class is 2nd rate. Darby was the lone good one and he's got that injury. LB is a little weak because the top guys probably won't be there. You'd have to be dreaming to think Baltimore lets CJ Mosely walk, for example. Hicks may not be in there either, but at least there's a passing chance. The Eagles have to dump Foles to get to enough cap room to sign their draft picks. After that, they'll likely dump Chris Long and Michael Bennett. That would put them at +22m or so, which would be enough to sign Hicks. Not sure if they could also fit Brandon Graham back in. Even if Hicks comes available, can the Chiefs fit another salary there because he's probably going to be on par with Hitchens?

All that said, I'll prep another one similar to this without Bell to outline more of my thoughts.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 12-08-2018, 02:50 PM

We’ll see how the season unfolds here but the more I consider it, I’m not sure it makes any sense to keep Houston over Ford right now. If we’re going to get rid of one in any capacity, that is.

I’d prefer to probably keep both for 2019, but it’s clear that one is ascending and the other is not. I don’t expect either to be let go this offseason but if they do go that direction, jsut some food for thought.

If we’re lucky, maybe they can Berry AND Houston to restructure those contracts or take pay cuts for the sake of the rest of the roster. All Berry and Houston ever talk about is the goal, bringing the Lombardi to KC finally.

Well, I say put your money where your mouth is because neither has earned nearly enough of the money on their deals thus far.

Chargem · 12-08-2018, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

I only did Bell because Direkshun wanted to see a mock done with the Chiefs getting him. I'd go after different players. Also, I think you have to factor in long-term cap health and with Jones, Hill, and Bell you'd have some hefty salaries on the docket the next few seasons. I don't think you can do that, I think you have to get some cheaper options and spread the money out.

The Eagles cap situation could mean Jordan Hicks hits the market at ILB and he'd be a good get. I'd probably still look hard at Darby on a 1-year, incentive laden, "prove-it" deal coming off that ACL. I'd even sign him long-term if he works out well come March but that is pushing the timetable a bit. He'd actually be perfectly on par for training camp at 9 months in.

I'm doubting the Vikings will be able to keep Brett Jones in the fold and I think he's a great target to get relatively cheap to compete as the starting Center.

Markus Golden is a guy I like that I think you could get cheap as a rotational OLB and if he gets back to playing at the level he was before his injury in 2017 then you have a steal.

To be honest, though, this free agent class on the defensive side of the ball is kind of bad unless you want to way overpay for old guys. I'm not buying guys like Sheldon Richardson, Ndamkung Suh, Earl Thomas, and Lamarcus Joyner at their age and salary. The CB class is 2nd rate. Darby was the lone good one and he's got that injury. LB is a little weak because the top guys probably won't be there. You'd have to be dreaming to think Baltimore lets CJ Mosely walk, for example. Hicks may not be in there either, but at least there's a passing chance. The Eagles have to dump Foles to get to enough cap room to sign their draft picks. After that, they'll likely dump Chris Long and Michael Bennett. That would put them at +22m or so, which would be enough to sign Hicks. Not sure if they could also fit Brandon Graham back in. Even if Hicks comes available, can the Chiefs fit another salary there because he's probably going to be on par with Hitchens?

All that said, I'll prep another one similar to this without Bell to outline more of my thoughts.

It really is an excellent draft, and I look forward to seeing one without Bell.

Corner does seem like the biggest puzzle to me, the Chiefs seem reluctant to start rookies straight away and yet the the free agent market is dire, one of Nelson or Scandrick has to come back next year?

On the DL, I agree the FA market isn't great but with how good the draft looks, a veteran and a high pick seems like a very workable combo.

On the ILB front, how would you feel about Manti Te'o, particularly if the Chiefs were switching to a 4-3? Could be had for cheap I imagine.

I think Safety is the obvious spot to add in FA, with Collins, Clinton-Dix, Thomas, Mathieu, Boston and Reid all being available and immediate upgrades, surely someone can be had on a team friendly deal considering how the safety market was last year.

**SAUTO** · 12-08-2018, 04:14 PM

I'm out on bell. He's not a fit here at all

UChieffyBugger · 12-08-2018, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Whatever dude. You come in here whaling like a **** that “I don’t like Bell” because I don’t want to pay him 4/72/32 guaranteed.

I get he’s arguably the best back in the league but rather than refute my argument that you can’t pay RBs that you simply say money doesn’t matter because mahomes. So your answer is that I’m crying because you have a different opinions.

So rather than talk ball you assert that I hate Bell and cry when someone has a different opinion and contribute nothing but “Because Mahomes”.

Welcome to Ignore.

SMH at this emotional #### trying to backtrack. YOU said you "like everything except Bell", so I asked you why? If you don't want to be challenged then don't make such statements on a PUBLIC forum. Secondly, you made another stupid claim by saying "he wants QB money" when that's simply a flat out lie.

And please do press that "ignore" button, it would just be one less rude individual I have to deal with around here

.

**The Franchise** · 12-10-2018, 04:23 PM

I'd take out Bell (yes I realize he was the point of the mock) and replace him with Coleman. He'll cost way less and you can spend that money to get a better CB. Not really a fan of going into the season with Nelson and Gaines.

kccrow · 12-10-2018, 06:24 PM

In playing around with altering this mock and trying to sign Dee Ford in lieu of Bell, it became mind-numbingly apparent to me that there is a fundamental flaw in the thought process in any one of these options where we extend Hill, extend Jones, and pay Ford or a big name free agent. The issue is not that we can't "squeeze" them under the cap for 2019, it's what happens in 2020. The cap gets unbelievably tight.

Here's an example of what I was thinking in a version 2.0 of this one without Bell from a signings perspective (note that I try to assume market values relative to current contracts and go from there)...
Extensions
Hill: 5 years/$95.0m contract extension with $65m in guarantees, $42m guaranteed at signing, and $20m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 6.097 2020: 18.75 2021: 19.25 2022: 19.75 2023: 18.25 2024: 15.00

Jones: 5 years, $81.0m contract extension with $40.0m guaranteed at signing including $20.0m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 5.98 2020: 13.00 2021: 15.00 2022: 16.00 2023: 17.00 2024: 16.00

Tags
FS Jordan Lucas: RFA Original Round Tender estimated $2.02m
OC Austin Reiter: RFA Original Round Tender estimated $2.02m (I'm just going to leave this in here until the details of his extension are released)
DL Justin Hamilton: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus
PK Harrison Butker: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus
WR Markus Kemp: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus
WR Gehrig Deiter: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus

Signings
OC Brett Jones (MIN): 2 years/$5.5m with $2.25m guaranteed and $1.0m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 2.50 2020: 3.00

ED Markus Golden (ARZ): 2 years/$7.0m with $1.50m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 2.40 2020: 4.60

TE Maxx Williams (BAL): 3 years/$9.0m with $1.5m signing bonus, and $1.0m roster bonuses in 2020 and 2021 if he's on the roster the 5th day of the new league year. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 2.00 2020: 3.25 2021: 3.75

Re-Signings
CB Steven Nelson: 4 years/$31.0m with $10.0m guaranteed at signing, and $6.0m signing bonus and another $6.0m guaranteed (salary) if on the roster the 5th day of the 2020 league year. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 5.50 2020: 7.75 2021: 8.50 2022: 9.25

ED Dee Ford: 5 years/$86.00m with 41.00m guaranteed at signing including a 20.00m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 13.00 2020: 16.00 2021: 17.00 2022: 20.00 2023 20.00

FB Anthony Sherman: 4 years/$8.4m with $5.0m guaranteed and $2.4m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 1.90 2020: 2.00 2021: 2.20 2022: 2.30

RB Spencer Ware: 2 year/$3.0m with $500k roster bonuses in each year. Estimated Cap Hits: 2019: $1.40 2020: 1.60

Cuts
SS Eric Berry: June 1 Designation

Let Walk
DE Allen Bailey, CB Orlando Scandrick, TE Demetrius Harris, FS Josh Shaw, RB Damien Williams, OC Mitch Morse, FS Ron Parker, WR De'Anthony Thomas, OLB Frank Zombo, CB Steven Nelson, ILB Terrence Smith, WR Chris Conley

This put me at 5.72m in space for 2019 with the draft class signing... But only 1.93m in space for 2020. That's where I think a Houston extension with 2020 salary converted to a bonus similar to the deal Terrell Suggs got would be a win or the Chiefs would have to cut him. As well, they'd have to cut Sammy Watkins in all likelihood in order to give them cap to play with.

Obviously I could not sign any street free agents and gain $10.8m for 2020. It's unlikely KC signs nobody. If I choose not to cut Berry, that space gets eaten up and then some. Basically, to keep Berry you're looking at no FAs and not re-signing Nelson if you want to keep Ford.

So the question here is do you keep Ford or Berry or neither, assuming you want to keep Jones and Hill? You could choose not to extend Hill or Jones and then re-sign them in 2020 but you may not save money versus the extend now contract. I don't think you can go this offseason choosing to extend neither because you can't franchise them both.

**The Franchise** · 12-10-2018, 06:34 PM

Cut in 2019:

Eric Berry (June 1st cut)
Daniel Sorensen
Reggie Ragland

That gives you an extra $13.5 (roughly) million in cap space before any new deals. So around $53 million to work with.

Cut in 2020:

Sammy Watkins
Justin Houston

That gives you an extra $31.5 million in cap space to work with in 2020.

kccrow · 12-10-2018, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pest

Cut in 2019:

Eric Berry (June 1st cut)
Daniel Sorensen
Reggie Ragland

That gives you an extra $13.5 (roughly) million in cap space before any new deals. So around $53 million to work with.

Cut in 2020:

Sammy Watkins
Justin Houston

That gives you an extra $31.5 million in cap space to work with in 2020.

If you intend to cut Houston, I'd think your intent would be to reach a long term deal with Ford in 2019?

Personally, I'm not a fan of getting rid of Houston, but I think he needs to be extended for less money. Obviously we'd have to see how 2019 went for him first.

**The Franchise** · 12-10-2018, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

If you intend to cut Houston, I'd think your intent would be to reach a long term deal with Ford in 2019?

Personally, I'm not a fan of getting rid of Houston, but I think he needs to be extended for less money. Obviously we'd have to see how 2019 went for him first.

Yeah. I'd hope to structure it like the Watkins contract. 3 or 4 years with a chance to get out after two if we need to.

Is it possible to keep Ford, Jones, Hill AND Houston if you cut Berry in 2019?

**RealSNR** · 12-10-2018, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pest

Cut in 2019:

Eric Berry (June 1st cut)
Daniel Sorensen
Reggie Ragland

That gives you an extra $13.5 (roughly) million in cap space before any new deals. So around $53 million to work with.

Cut in 2020:

Sammy Watkins
Justin Houston

That gives you an extra $31.5 million in cap space to work with in 2020.

Clark was a ****ing idiot and intervened to get Berry that contract in the first place.

Would he let Veach cut him like that?

BryanBusby · 12-10-2018, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Clark was a ****ing idiot and intervened to get Berry that contract in the first place.

Would he let Veach cut him like that?

Absolutely not. He's not getting cut and thinking about it is some weird CP fantasy.

kccrow · 12-11-2018, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Clark was a ****ing idiot and intervened to get Berry that contract in the first place.

Would he let Veach cut him like that?

I'm wondering if Clark can look at that situation and not agree that Berry has missed far too much time for the contract he's getting. IF Berry could have offseason surgery to fix the issue then I wouldn't be so hell-bent on sending him packing but the very fact that he didn't have the surgery done right away so that he could be available and playing right now downright pisses me off. Clark can't be on board with constantly throwing money down the drain, quite literally Berry's tub drain.

**RealSNR** · 12-14-2018, 06:53 AM

UChieffyBugger is a butt****ing moron

12-07-2018, 11:34 PM
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3327078	The Le'Veon Bell Mock So, Direkshun wants a Le'Veon Bell mock, eh? Here goes (mind you I'd, personally, never sign Bell)... Extensions WR Tyreek Hill: It's imperative to lock up the team's most dynamic player long-term and give Mahomes a weapon for the foreseeable future. Hill must be retained and he won't get cheaper. 5 years/$95.0m contract extension with $65m in guarantees, $42m guaranteed at signing, and $20m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 6.097 2020: 18.75 2021: 19.25 2022: 19.75 2023: 18.25 2024: 15.00 Notes: Hill will earn the NFL Proven Performance Escalator for the last year of his rookie deal which means his base salary will increase to the Right of First Refusal tender amount. That amount was $1.907 million in 2018 and increases by the percentage the cap increases with a minimum of 5% and a maximum of 10%. If the NFL carries through with an approximate 6% increase in the cap, then that base will be $2.02 million, which was used in the 2019 cap estimate. DL Chris Jones: I've been preaching the same thing Andy Reid mentioned not too long ago: the quickest route to the QB is a straight line and having defensive lineman that can get after them up the middle is better than good edge rushers in today's NFL that sees QBs get the ball out quicker than ever. Jones has stepped up his game considerably and we should project that to continue. 5 years, $85.0m contract extension with $42.5m in guarantees, $36.0m guaranteed at signing, $17.5m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 5.483 2020: 15.75 2021: 16.75 2022: 16.75 2023: 16.50 2024: 16.75 2019 Cap Effect (includes Hill PPE): +$8.8m Restructures SS Eric Berry: Agrees to convert $8.0m of base salary in 2019 to a signing bonus, freeing up $6.0m in cap space for 2019. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 10.50 2020: 15.50 2021: 18.00 2022: 16.00 Notes: Berry has offseason surgery to repair the Haglund's deformity in his heel and will rehab throughout the summer. We actually see him play before December in 2019! 2019 Cap Effect: -$6.0m Tags/Tenders ED Dee Ford: Franchise Tag estimated $15.4m (more later) FS Jordan Lucas: RFA Original Round Tender estimated $2.02m OC Austin Reiter: RFA Original Round Tender estimated $2.02m (I'm just going to leave this in here until the details of his extension are released) DL Justin Hamilton: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus PK Harrison Butker: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus WR Markus Kemp: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus WR Gehrig Deiter: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus 2019 Cap Effect: +$21.88m Free Agent Signings RB Le'Veon Bell (PIT): Chiefs address their RB position by going for the top back in free agency, and perhaps in the NFL to replace the departed Kareem Hunt. Someone will pay what he wants for his production, so why not the Chiefs... right? Right? 4 years/$72.0m with $32.0m guaranteed at signing, including a $24m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 14.50 2020: 17.50 2021 18.50 2022: 21.50 TE Maxx Williams (BAL): Williams has had alot of injuries throughout his career but he's still extremely young and has flashed what made him a high round pick. He'd make an excellent number two type with solid hands, route running, and blocking ability. 3 years/$9.0m with $1.5m signing bonus, and $1.0m roster bonuses in 2020 and 2021 if he's on the roster the 5th day of the new league year. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 2.00 2020: 3.25 2021: 3.75 CB E.J. Gaines (CLE): A native of Lee's Summit, Gaines may want to return home. Gaines is a solid CB but has an injury history. He should come relatively cheap given that he has missed some games this year after signing a 1 year deal for $4m in Cleveland but he's been very solid when on the field. 3 years/$14m with $5.0m guaranteed and $3.0m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 3.75 2020: 4.75 2021: 5.50 2019 Cap Effect: +$20.25m Free Agent Re-Signings CB Steven Nelson: Nelson has proven to be a solid CB here in KC as a starter with continued improvement throughout his tenure. If the team can expect him to continue to play as well or better than he has this year then he deserves a re-signing. 4 years/$31.0m with $10.0m guaranteed at signing, and $6.0m signing bonus and another $6.0m guaranteed (salary) if on the roster the 5th day of the 2020 league year. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 5.50 2020: 7.75 2021: 8.50 2022: 9.25 RB Spencer Ware: Ware is just a solid all-around back and that makes it difficult to get rid of him. Once he was healthy, Reid immediately turned to him as Hunt's primary backup and he's been nothing but a team player. I think he's brought back on a friendly deal. 2 year/$3.0m with $500k roster bonuses in each year. Estimated Cap Hits: 2019: $1.40 2020: 1.60 All PS on Minimal Deals that likely don't affect Top-51. 2019 Cap Effect: +6.90m Let Walk DE Allen Bailey - Bailey has definitely ran too hot and cold since receiving his deal and his performance against the run has dropped considerably. It's time to move on. FB Anthony Sherman - Sherman is probably the best pure fullback in the NFL and he's excellent on special teams, but he's not especially worth tying up a couple million per year on. The league is moving to more of an H-back roll at the position where receiving is a big deal. Sherman is a good receiver, but he's a tank going down the field. I look for him to move on. CB Orlando Scandrick - Scandrick has been a nice stop-gap, but certainly not the answer long-term and his lapses can be atrocious. If he can be brought back on the cheap, I'd re-sign him but it'd have to be cheap. TE Demetrius Harris - He never developed on his last contract enough to bother retaining him and his hands are stone. Time to move on. FS Josh Shaw - Hasn't really been on the field much to flash anything. Could be a vet min re-signing but I'm not banking on it. RB Damien Williams - Doesn't have any noteworthy production to bother bringing back, but may change my mind between now and the end of season if he's given more opportunities. OC Mitch Morse - Too many concussions and too much time in the tub. He's great when he's on the field but you can't give the guy a contract with that history. FS Ron Parker - He was dumped last year for good reason but brought back to continue his garbage play. The team really needs a much better solution long-term. WR De'Anthony Thomas - A nice kick return option if he's healthy, but he's always missing time. It's time to move on and find a healthier alternative. OLB Frank Zombo - See above. Wouldn't be here if not for injury. ILB Terrence Smith - Definitely has shown nothing to make me think the Chiefs should retain him for any reason, and certainly not at a $2m tender. Adios amigo. WR Chris Conley - The problem I have with Chris Conley is not his talent, it's that the Chiefs have some serious money tied up in the position and you start looking at what Buehler talks about in terms of salary per units of production and you have a hard time fitting Conley in. He's a solid receiver that's going to catch the balls he's thrown but when he gives you 1 catch a game most of the time then you gotta tell yourself you can find that production from a really cheap guy. Trades Chiefs trade Dee Ford to the Seattle Seahawks for the 25th overall selection (based upon current standings). Note: My mindset is that the Chiefs must do their best to extend Hill and Jones since they appear to be lynchpins. Ford is a nice player, but inconsistent although very much improved. I'd be okay signing the kid on a deal not that far off of what I'm handing Bell in this mock but you can't have everything. Tag and trade is the logical choice and I think he could bring a 1st round pick. Chiefs trade #25 selection and 2018 2nd round selection to the Colts for the 15th overall selection. I could have just sent Ford and a 2nd to the Colts for a first but what's the fun in that? 2019 Cap Effect: -$15.4m Draft Estimated Rookie Pool: $6.46m 2019 Cap Effect: +$2.50m 1. FS Deionte Thompson, Alabama (6'2" 195) A missile coming down hill in the run game and very solid in pass coverage, he's this year's best safety. Athleticism to run all over the field and play single high. If Veach doesn't get his man in free agency, then I believe he's going to be aggressive in fixing the weakest link on the defense. 1. DL Jerry Tillery, Notre Dame (6'6" 305) A monster in the middle that can push the pocket very similarly to Chris Jones. Destroyed Michigan and Stanford this year. 2. ED DeAndre Walker, Georgia (6'2" 250) Walker is the type of 3-4 OLB I think the NFL will be trending to more and more. He's a bit undersized, but he's quick and exteremly versatile in that he can rush the passer and is very functional in coverage. Very similar body type to Dee Ford. 3. WR Anthony Ratliff-Williams, North Carolina (6'1" 205) Built like Sammy Watkins with good speed, good hands, and excellent downfield tracking ability. Very good at high-pointing the football in traffic. Good acceleration off the line and quickness in and out of breaks. Outstanding return specialist. 5. DL Kingsley Keke, Texas A&M (6'4" 305) Another defensive lineman with good initial burst and quickness that can disrupt the LOS. The Chiefs will have to double-dip at DE whether it be in the draft or a combination of that and FA. 6. LB Ulysees Gilbert III, Akron (6'0" 225) Off-ball, weakside linebacker with outstanding range and speed. Excellent coverage linebacker. If the Chiefs don't go after a top-tier starter, they need to at least fill in the depth and special teams. 7. OL Sean Rawlings, Ole Miss (6'5" 295) Athletic offensive lineman with experience at OT and C, but looks best inside. He'll need to get stronger at the pro level. Total Estimated Remaining Cap Space: $5.51m Roster (Not representative of 53) QB: Patrick Mahomes, Chad Henne, Chase Litton RB: *Le'Veon Bell, Spencer Ware, Darrel Williams FB: TE: Travis Kelce, Maxx Williams, Deon Yelder WR: Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Demarcus Robinson, Anthony Ratliff-Williams, Byron Pringle, Marcus Kemp, Gehrig Dieter* OT: Eric Fisher, Mitchell Schwartz, Andrew Wylie OG: Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, Cameron Erving, Ryan Hunter, Khalil McKenzie OC: Austin Reiter, Sean Rawlings, Jimmy Murray DE: Chris Jones, Jerry Tillery, Kingsley Keke, Justin Hamilton, Joey Ivie NT: Derrick Nnadi, Xavier Williams OLB: Justin Houston, Breeland Speaks, DeAndre Walker, Tanoh Kpassagnon, Rob McCray ILB: Anthony Hitchens, Dorian O'Daniel, Ben Niemann, Reggie Ragland, Ulysees Gilbert III CB: Kendall Fuller, Steven Nelson, *E.J. Gaines, Charvarius Ward, Tremon Smith, D'Montre Wade FS: Deionte Thompson, Jordan Lucas, Eric Murray SS: Eric Berry, Daniel Sorensen, Armani Watts ST: Harrison Butker*, Dustin Colquitt, James Winchester
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12-08-2018, 02:12 PM	#17
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3327078	I only did Bell because Direkshun wanted to see a mock done with the Chiefs getting him. I'd go after different players. Also, I think you have to factor in long-term cap health and with Jones, Hill, and Bell you'd have some hefty salaries on the docket the next few seasons. I don't think you can do that, I think you have to get some cheaper options and spread the money out. The Eagles cap situation could mean Jordan Hicks hits the market at ILB and he'd be a good get. I'd probably still look hard at Darby on a 1-year, incentive laden, "prove-it" deal coming off that ACL. I'd even sign him long-term if he works out well come March but that is pushing the timetable a bit. He'd actually be perfectly on par for training camp at 9 months in. I'm doubting the Vikings will be able to keep Brett Jones in the fold and I think he's a great target to get relatively cheap to compete as the starting Center. Markus Golden is a guy I like that I think you could get cheap as a rotational OLB and if he gets back to playing at the level he was before his injury in 2017 then you have a steal. To be honest, though, this free agent class on the defensive side of the ball is kind of bad unless you want to way overpay for old guys. I'm not buying guys like Sheldon Richardson, Ndamkung Suh, Earl Thomas, and Lamarcus Joyner at their age and salary. The CB class is 2nd rate. Darby was the lone good one and he's got that injury. LB is a little weak because the top guys probably won't be there. You'd have to be dreaming to think Baltimore lets CJ Mosely walk, for example. Hicks may not be in there either, but at least there's a passing chance. The Eagles have to dump Foles to get to enough cap room to sign their draft picks. After that, they'll likely dump Chris Long and Michael Bennett. That would put them at +22m or so, which would be enough to sign Hicks. Not sure if they could also fit Brandon Graham back in. Even if Hicks comes available, can the Chiefs fit another salary there because he's probably going to be on par with Hitchens? All that said, I'll prep another one similar to this without Bell to outline more of my thoughts.
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12-08-2018, 02:50 PM	#18
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $9169447	We’ll see how the season unfolds here but the more I consider it, I’m not sure it makes any sense to keep Houston over Ford right now. If we’re going to get rid of one in any capacity, that is. I’d prefer to probably keep both for 2019, but it’s clear that one is ascending and the other is not. I don’t expect either to be let go this offseason but if they do go that direction, jsut some food for thought. If we’re lucky, maybe they can Berry AND Houston to restructure those contracts or take pay cuts for the sake of the rest of the roster. All Berry and Houston ever talk about is the goal, bringing the Lombardi to KC finally. Well, I say put your money where your mouth is because neither has earned nearly enough of the money on their deals thus far. Last edited by pugsnotdrugs19; 12-08-2018 at 02:55 PM..
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12-08-2018, 04:14 PM	#20
SAUTO Shit Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10039067	I'm out on bell. He's not a fit here at all
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12-10-2018, 04:23 PM	#22
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3195047	I'd take out Bell (yes I realize he was the point of the mock) and replace him with Coleman. He'll cost way less and you can spend that money to get a better CB. Not really a fan of going into the season with Nelson and Gaines.
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12-10-2018, 06:24 PM	#23
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3327078	In playing around with altering this mock and trying to sign Dee Ford in lieu of Bell, it became mind-numbingly apparent to me that there is a fundamental flaw in the thought process in any one of these options where we extend Hill, extend Jones, and pay Ford or a big name free agent. The issue is not that we can't "squeeze" them under the cap for 2019, it's what happens in 2020. The cap gets unbelievably tight. Here's an example of what I was thinking in a version 2.0 of this one without Bell from a signings perspective (note that I try to assume market values relative to current contracts and go from there)... Extensions Hill: 5 years/$95.0m contract extension with $65m in guarantees, $42m guaranteed at signing, and $20m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 6.097 2020: 18.75 2021: 19.25 2022: 19.75 2023: 18.25 2024: 15.00 Jones: 5 years, $81.0m contract extension with $40.0m guaranteed at signing including $20.0m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 5.98 2020: 13.00 2021: 15.00 2022: 16.00 2023: 17.00 2024: 16.00 Tags FS Jordan Lucas: RFA Original Round Tender estimated $2.02m OC Austin Reiter: RFA Original Round Tender estimated $2.02m (I'm just going to leave this in here until the details of his extension are released) DL Justin Hamilton: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus PK Harrison Butker: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus WR Markus Kemp: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus WR Gehrig Deiter: ERFA Tender estimated $570k + $30k bonus Signings OC Brett Jones (MIN): 2 years/$5.5m with $2.25m guaranteed and $1.0m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 2.50 2020: 3.00 ED Markus Golden (ARZ): 2 years/$7.0m with $1.50m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 2.40 2020: 4.60 TE Maxx Williams (BAL): 3 years/$9.0m with $1.5m signing bonus, and $1.0m roster bonuses in 2020 and 2021 if he's on the roster the 5th day of the new league year. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 2.00 2020: 3.25 2021: 3.75 Re-Signings CB Steven Nelson: 4 years/$31.0m with $10.0m guaranteed at signing, and $6.0m signing bonus and another $6.0m guaranteed (salary) if on the roster the 5th day of the 2020 league year. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 5.50 2020: 7.75 2021: 8.50 2022: 9.25 ED Dee Ford: 5 years/$86.00m with 41.00m guaranteed at signing including a 20.00m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 13.00 2020: 16.00 2021: 17.00 2022: 20.00 2023 20.00 FB Anthony Sherman: 4 years/$8.4m with $5.0m guaranteed and $2.4m signing bonus. Estimated Cap Hits 2019: 1.90 2020: 2.00 2021: 2.20 2022: 2.30 RB Spencer Ware: 2 year/$3.0m with $500k roster bonuses in each year. Estimated Cap Hits: 2019: $1.40 2020: 1.60 Cuts SS Eric Berry: June 1 Designation Let Walk DE Allen Bailey, CB Orlando Scandrick, TE Demetrius Harris, FS Josh Shaw, RB Damien Williams, OC Mitch Morse, FS Ron Parker, WR De'Anthony Thomas, OLB Frank Zombo, CB Steven Nelson, ILB Terrence Smith, WR Chris Conley This put me at 5.72m in space for 2019 with the draft class signing... But only 1.93m in space for 2020. That's where I think a Houston extension with 2020 salary converted to a bonus similar to the deal Terrell Suggs got would be a win or the Chiefs would have to cut him. As well, they'd have to cut Sammy Watkins in all likelihood in order to give them cap to play with. Obviously I could not sign any street free agents and gain $10.8m for 2020. It's unlikely KC signs nobody. If I choose not to cut Berry, that space gets eaten up and then some. Basically, to keep Berry you're looking at no FAs and not re-signing Nelson if you want to keep Ford. So the question here is do you keep Ford or Berry or neither, assuming you want to keep Jones and Hill? You could choose not to extend Hill or Jones and then re-sign them in 2020 but you may not save money versus the extend now contract. I don't think you can go this offseason choosing to extend neither because you can't franchise them both.
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12-10-2018, 06:34 PM	#24
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3195047	Cut in 2019: Eric Berry (June 1st cut) Daniel Sorensen Reggie Ragland That gives you an extra $13.5 (roughly) million in cap space before any new deals. So around $53 million to work with. Cut in 2020: Sammy Watkins Justin Houston That gives you an extra $31.5 million in cap space to work with in 2020.
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