Game of Thrones Seasons 7-8

[keg in kc]

About to hit the 5000 post mark on the old thread, the first season 7 trailer today seems like the right time to start the final Game of Thones thread.

I'm going back to the original rules pre-2015. I don't think we need supervision or bannings. Just don't be a dick. Post anything you find online that hasn't aired yet inside of spoiler tags. That's pretty much it. I think we can all handle that...





For future us, 2015 thread is here: Link

[lcarus]

I was rewatching season 1 this weekend and I've never quite understood Varys and his intentions. He claims he is on "the side of the realm" because "someone must" but that just seems like a cop-out answer to me. I think Varys looks out for Varys and aligns with whomever gives him the best chance for survival and a place at the table.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

It would make the most sense. If she loses it battling the South, it would take a while before the dragon would provide any sort of advantage to the Night King.

As I mentioned previously: Dany HAD the best navy, cavalry, army, and the only existing aerial attack in Westeros. Currently, her Navy is seemingly depleted and her Army is tied up trying to find its way back to her.

The Night King can outmatch her Army in numbers, they could consevably match the cavalry by the time they arrive, but the one thing the Night King is lacking is the aerial support. He will get it to even the odds before the confrontation occurs.

It won't 'even' any odds; it would wreck them. You can't defeat an army of zombies who can reanimate if you don't have at least one massive advantage over them. That advantage is dragons. Without them, the walkers would absolutely wreck everything.

I do think the writing was odd in this one. We were supposed to be unnerved by the scorpion but did anyone really think Drogon/Dany were dying in the first battle? I'm not saying it can't/won't happen, but they're not killing Drogon yet.

They needed Viserys or Rhegal out there as fodder to truly give the impression that a dragon might die.

Oh, and once again Dany demonstrates that she's A) and entitled shithead (seriously, isn't the kingdom worth your pride? Why does it have to be Jon's?) and B) A shit tactician. As has been noted - the day is won. In short order your Dothraki will have captured the scorpion or burned it down. Just get out of dodge.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

e as fodder to truly give the impression that a dragon might die.

Oh, and once again Dany demonstrates that she's A) and entitled shithead (seriously, isn't the kingdom worth your pride? Why does it have to be Jon's?) and B) A shit tactician. As has been noted - the day is won. In short order your Dothraki will have captured the scorpion or burned it down. Just get out of dodge.

This. Dany has done nothing but slowly get on my nerves more and more as the show goes on. As soon as that first shot missed them both.....she should have flown up to where Tyrion is and let the Dothraki wreck shit. They didn't need her at that point.

[raybec 4]

Pretty short sighted too. I don't understand why she burned all the food they were transporting. She has an army to feed too.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

Pretty short sighted too. I don't understand why she burned all the food they were transporting. She has an army to feed too.

She may expect to re-take Highgarden. They would still have stores/crops there. Or she may make a move on Dorne. That's all far enough south to still be fertile.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

She may expect to re-take Highgarden. They would still have stores/crops their. Or she may make a move on Dorne. That's all far enough south to still be fertile.

True, Jamie was sending Bronn to urge reluctant farmers to give up their grain.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It won't 'even' any odds; it would wreck them. You can't defeat an army of zombies who can reanimate if you don't have at least one massive advantage over them. That advantage is dragons. Without them, the walkers would absolutely wreck everything.

Agreed they are going to need more than one major ace in the hole to battle the dead army.
It looks like they may play up dragon glass as one of those weapons.
To date the dead army has been shown to be of massive scale, bigger than the hosts of Westeros combined. It will be interesting to see if they hold to that scale, which makes them almost impossible to defeat, or if they make them suddenly more sake to defeat for the sake of the story e.g. the Lanister army that stood there and shat themselves against the Dothraki.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

Pretty short sighted too. I don't understand why she burned all the food they were transporting. She has an army to feed too.

I assume she was primarily trying to destroy the wagons carrying the gold.

[BigRichard]

Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Yes, Joffrey. Little Finger sent her there to "mitigate his losses".

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Yes, that was Joffrey. That was also the prostitute from Winterfell that I believe Theon was banging.

Thanks! I just didn't remember her getting murdered. I thought the last thing I remembered with her she was forced to torture that chick with Joffrey there. I just assumed he was the one who killed her but didn't remember it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Agreed they are going to need more than one major ace in the hole to battle the dead army.
It looks like they may play up dragon glass as one of those weapons.
To date the dead army has been shown to be of massive scale, bigger than the hosts of Westeros combined. It will be interesting to see if they hold to that scale, which makes them almost impossible to defeat, or if they make them suddenly more sake to defeat for the sake of the story e.g. the Lanister army that stood there and shat themselves against the Dothraki.

In the books it certainly appears that the walkers can reanimate birds, etc...

So it gets back to the argument of "a horse sized duck or 10 duck sized horses." You telling me a swarm of 10,000 scattered zombie ravens dive bombing the shit out of a dragon (with only one source of firepower) couldn't harangue the dragon into inattention or accident? The Walkers already have tools at their disposal that could wreck dragons or at least render them less effective.

If the Walkers have a dragon, it's an end-game. There's just nothing else to it. Because if that dragon launches a completely Pyrrhic assault on another dragon and knocks IT out of the sky, now the Walkers have 2 dragons even if dragon one goes down because they can now just reanimate them both. That or they have to be somehow completely incinerated and that seems unlikely given what we know of wars between dragons in the past (again, book information).

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

In the books it certainly appears that the walkers can reanimate birds, etc...

So it gets back to the argument of "a horse sized duck or 10 duck sized horses." You telling me a swarm of 10,000 scattered zombie ravens dive bombing the shit out of a dragon (with only one source of firepower) couldn't harangue the dragon into inattention or accident? The Walkers already have tools at their disposal that could wreck dragons or at least render them less effective.

If the Walkers have a dragon, it's an end-game. There's just nothing else to it. Because if that dragon launches a completely Pyrrhic assault on another dragon and knocks IT out of the sky, now the Walkers have 2 dragons even if dragon one goes down because they can now just reanimate them both. That or they have to be somehow completely incinerated and that seems unlikely given what we know of wars between dragons in the past (again, book information).

Don't worry....Bronn will be there with the scorpion and dragon glass bolts to take it down.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Dylan

Beuhler:

The scene with Bron's horse was heart wrenching.

Wish I could erase that scene from my mind right now.

Brutal.

[Amnorix]

Some awesome memes out today.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It won't 'even' any odds; it would wreck them. You can't defeat an army of zombies who can reanimate if you don't have at least one massive advantage over them. That advantage is dragons. Without them, the walkers would absolutely wreck everything.

I do think the writing was odd in this one. We were supposed to be unnerved by the scorpion but did anyone really think Drogon/Dany were dying in the first battle? I'm not saying it can't/won't happen, but they're not killing Drogon yet.

They needed Viserys or Rhegal out there as fodder to truly give the impression that a dragon might die.

Oh, and once again Dany demonstrates that she's A) and entitled shithead (seriously, isn't the kingdom worth your pride? Why does it have to be Jon's?) and B) A shit tactician. As has been noted - the day is won. In short order your Dothraki will have captured the scorpion or burned it down. Just get out of dodge.

You wouldn't need an Army if you had Dragons breathing fire over their infantry. You would just continuously pass overhead, out of reach of the undead, raining fire down upon them. You could land in the South, feed the dragons, then return to the North to continue the onslaught. It wouldn't be much of a battle.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

Pretty short sighted too. I don't understand why she burned all the food they were transporting. She has an army to feed too.

This made zero ****ing sense, and the producers made a point to illustrate it to us for a reason. Im curious to know why they decided Danny should make a poor decision and burn the food.