Chiefs Not starting Patrick Mahomes II in 2017 - good idea or bad idea? - Page 2

**Rain Man** · 01-19-2019, 06:36 PM

Some of you may know that Patrick Mahomes II was drafted in 2017. He watched 15 of the 16 regular season games from the sideline, and he watched the Jeff Triplette abomination from the same locale.

My question to you, brilliant Kansas City Chiefs fans, is whether that was a good move or a bad move long term.

There are many facets to consider in this situation. I'll list a few, and you will likely identify more.

Would we have made the playoffs in 2017 with a Mahomes-Led Team (MLT)?
Would we have gone further in the playoffs with an MLT?
Would we get one more career year from Mahomes to enjoy in that situation?
Mahomes learned from Alex
Alex's trade value was impacted by starting in 2017.
Would more film have impacted Mahomes' legendary 2018 season?
Would more playing experience have impacted Mahomes' legendary 2018 season?
We lost a year of Mahomes' non-billion dollar rookie contract.
Would it have impacted Mahomes' chemistry with future consensus all-pro Gehrig Dieter?

You'll be receiving a poll faster than Patrick Mahomes II throws to Kelce over the middle.

**RealSNR** · 01-19-2019, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Should have started playoff game last season.

This. Alex can have those other 15 games.

Mahomes plays against the Titans, we would have won.

DRM08 · 01-19-2019, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Should have started playoff game last season.

I dunno about that. Chiefs offense was great in that first half. Maybe put Mahomes in there in the 4th quarter after it became obvious the offense wasn't getting the job done in the 2nd half.

Reerun_KC · 01-19-2019, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

I dunno about that. Chiefs offense was great in that first half. Maybe put Mahomes in there in the 4th quarter after it became obvious the offense wasn't getting the job done in the 2nd half.

Could damage Alex very fragile ego and his QBR.

BWillie · 01-19-2019, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Could damage Alex very fragile ego and his QBR.

3rd and 8. I know! I'll dump it off to the RB at 5 yards short of the sticks. Stats!

**BigRedChief** · 01-19-2019, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Should have started playoff game last season.

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

This. Alex can have those other 15 games.

Mahomes plays against the Titans, we would have won.

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Could damage Alex very fragile ego and his QBR.

Let that shit go. You guys are all smart. You can’t prove a negative. We will never know. It’s in the history books.

We do know for sure, we have the NFL MVP starting for the Chiefs. Everyone gets to enjoy the first AFCCG at Arrowhead, ever. It’s worked out finally for the Chiefs and us long suffering fans.

**jjchieffan** · 01-19-2019, 08:47 PM

It was the right decision. It worked out for the best. Yeah, maybe we would have beaten the Titans in the playoffs last year. But we wouldn't have gotten Fuller in return for Alex if he wasn't starting and playing his best season. Without Fuller, we likely wouldn't have had the number one seed this year and quite possibly would have not made it to the AFCCG. We would have probably ended up the 5 seed. Andy is smarter than all of us. He proved it by sitting Mahomes last year.

**jjchieffan** · 01-19-2019, 08:50 PM

Now, had Smith suffered a mild concussion or a twisted ankle in the Titans game about half-time, then that could have been nice. Alex wouldn't have lost any trade value and we probably win that game.

big nasty kcnut · 01-19-2019, 08:56 PM

He got a year of learning how to be a nfl qb from alex as well as understanding the defense without having to get hit. Plus let him get hungry to go and show people how good he is.

crispystl · 01-19-2019, 08:57 PM

[QUOTE=Reerun_KC;14053091]Could damage Alex very fragile ego and his QBR.[/QUOTE
]More importantly it would have dimished Smith's trade value. Pretty sure that was Andy's logic. Mahomes was 22 and Andy probably knew Mahomes had a good shot of winning that game in the 4th but it would've mortgaged some of our future talent "capital" so he decided it wasnt worth it. All I know is thank God we have Mahomes. Its still hard to believe.

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chiefzilla1501 · 01-19-2019, 08:58 PM

A superb idea. Mahomes improved big time. I'm glad he spent a year coaching himself out of bad habits. Can't be said enough how much he's improved. I think rushing him might have turned him into a career freelancer. I'm glad he's become much more than that.

And God forbid Pat had a lukewarm playoff performance. Everyone might second guess the Alex trade. And the dipshits would always doubt whether Alex would have won instead. That playoff loss allowed us a clean break from Alex and we got a sweet trade for a starter, not a backup.

The script this season could not have been written any better. He started the season with an explosive first month. Got the media and fans all on board the bandwagon. Now he's a good bet for MVP. We beat Pittsburgh finally. We beat Indy in Arrowhead. And now we're going to get the New England monkey off our back tomorrow. Who knows if that script is nearly as clean if Mahomes has to enter this season as a playoff loser.

crispystl · 01-19-2019, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Now, had Smith suffered a mild concussion or a twisted ankle in the Titans game about half-time, then that could have been nice. Alex wouldn't have lost any trade value and we probably win that game.

That's a really solid point, but I think most GMs would see through that ruse.

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Hoover · 01-19-2019, 09:06 PM

I think he may have learned a lot from watching that playoff loss last year.

I agree, we probably win if we bench Smith, but it all worked out in the end.

PAChiefsGuy · 01-19-2019, 09:06 PM

It was obviously the right decison. Mahomes, Reid, and even Mahomes Dad have constantly talked about how important it was for Mahomes to sit that first-year and learn from Smitty.

I know a lot of the armchair GMs on here think they know more about QBs than Andy Reid does but truth is, you don't. Reid knows what he is doing when it comes to that position. He had his reasons for not starting Mahomes and that is good enough for me.

Coochie liquor · 01-19-2019, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Flachief58

I think it was the perfect way to handle him. The only gripe I have is that Andy didn't yank Alex in the second half of last year's playoff debacle

Yip

chiefzilla1501 · 01-19-2019, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

I think he may have learned a lot from watching that playoff loss last year.

I agree, we probably win if we bench Smith, but it all worked out in the end.

Not only that, but a playoff loss of his own could hit his confidence. Media and fans only memory of Mahomes would be a playoff game he was unprepared for. That's a long offseason. And not ideal considering that many fans and in the media weren't sold on getting rid of Smith. Unnecessary to rush him. We gave Mahomes his own offense built around him and a full offseason to prepare. Frankly, judging by the way the Chiefs approached the offseason, I think they expected him to have a bumpy first few games.

View Poll Results: Patrick Mahomes II starting every game in 2017 would have been...
Better for the Chiefs in both the short term and the long term.	66	46.15%
Better for the Chiefs in the short term, but worse in the long term.	8	5.59%
Worse for the Chiefs in the short term, but better in the long term.	27	18.88%
Worse for the Chiefs in both the short term and the long term.	19	13.29%
I'm incapable of thinking clearly due to my excitement about the game tomorrow.	18	12.59%
Sorry, but I don't read English.	5	3.50%
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01-19-2019, 06:36 PM
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3408491 VARSITY	Not starting Patrick Mahomes II in 2017 - good idea or bad idea? Some of you may know that Patrick Mahomes II was drafted in 2017. He watched 15 of the 16 regular season games from the sideline, and he watched the Jeff Triplette abomination from the same locale. My question to you, brilliant Kansas City Chiefs fans, is whether that was a good move or a bad move long term. There are many facets to consider in this situation. I'll list a few, and you will likely identify more. Would we have made the playoffs in 2017 with a Mahomes-Led Team (MLT)? Would we have gone further in the playoffs with an MLT? Would we get one more career year from Mahomes to enjoy in that situation? Mahomes learned from Alex Alex's trade value was impacted by starting in 2017. Would more film have impacted Mahomes' legendary 2018 season? Would more playing experience have impacted Mahomes' legendary 2018 season? We lost a year of Mahomes' non-billion dollar rookie contract. Would it have impacted Mahomes' chemistry with future consensus all-pro Gehrig Dieter? You'll be receiving a poll faster than Patrick Mahomes II throws to Kelce over the middle.
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01-19-2019, 08:47 PM	#21
jjchieffan Supporter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Highlandville, MO Casino cash: $3482247	It was the right decision. It worked out for the best. Yeah, maybe we would have beaten the Titans in the playoffs last year. But we wouldn't have gotten Fuller in return for Alex if he wasn't starting and playing his best season. Without Fuller, we likely wouldn't have had the number one seed this year and quite possibly would have not made it to the AFCCG. We would have probably ended up the 5 seed. Andy is smarter than all of us. He proved it by sitting Mahomes last year.
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01-19-2019, 08:50 PM	#22
jjchieffan Supporter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Highlandville, MO Casino cash: $3482247	Now, had Smith suffered a mild concussion or a twisted ankle in the Titans game about half-time, then that could have been nice. Alex wouldn't have lost any trade value and we probably win that game.
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01-19-2019, 08:56 PM	#23
big nasty kcnut The pizza king of kansas Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere in the u.s.a. Casino cash: $1710900	He got a year of learning how to be a nfl qb from alex as well as understanding the defense without having to get hit. Plus let him get hungry to go and show people how good he is. __________________ When it's grim, be the grim reaper and go get it. Adopt a chiefs Travis Kelce. You woke up the wrong mother****er!
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01-19-2019, 08:57 PM	#24
crispystl MVP Join Date: Jun 2004 Casino cash: $1785140	[QUOTE=Reerun_KC;14053091]Could damage Alex very fragile ego and his QBR.[/QUOTE ]More importantly it would have dimished Smith's trade value. Pretty sure that was Andy's logic. Mahomes was 22 and Andy probably knew Mahomes had a good shot of winning that game in the 4th but it would've mortgaged some of our future talent "capital" so he decided it wasnt worth it. All I know is thank God we have Mahomes. Its still hard to believe. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
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01-19-2019, 08:58 PM	#25
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2194497	A superb idea. Mahomes improved big time. I'm glad he spent a year coaching himself out of bad habits. Can't be said enough how much he's improved. I think rushing him might have turned him into a career freelancer. I'm glad he's become much more than that. And God forbid Pat had a lukewarm playoff performance. Everyone might second guess the Alex trade. And the dipshits would always doubt whether Alex would have won instead. That playoff loss allowed us a clean break from Alex and we got a sweet trade for a starter, not a backup. The script this season could not have been written any better. He started the season with an explosive first month. Got the media and fans all on board the bandwagon. Now he's a good bet for MVP. We beat Pittsburgh finally. We beat Indy in Arrowhead. And now we're going to get the New England monkey off our back tomorrow. Who knows if that script is nearly as clean if Mahomes has to enter this season as a playoff loser.
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01-19-2019, 09:06 PM	#27
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1748179	I think he may have learned a lot from watching that playoff loss last year. I agree, we probably win if we bench Smith, but it all worked out in the end.
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01-19-2019, 09:06 PM	#28
PAChiefsGuy Best Body On ChiefsPlanet Join Date: Jan 2014 Casino cash: $3064900	It was obviously the right decison. Mahomes, Reid, and even Mahomes Dad have constantly talked about how important it was for Mahomes to sit that first-year and learn from Smitty. I know a lot of the armchair GMs on here think they know more about QBs than Andy Reid does but truth is, you don't. Reid knows what he is doing when it comes to that position. He had his reasons for not starting Mahomes and that is good enough for me.
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