***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[NotDonger]

That sucks, TLO. And the people who now decide to get the prime shot won't be fully vaccinated until the end of July.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Guess 500k+ dieing isn't enough to sway some people. I don't want to go back to a year ago.

Eh, I don't think you'll see that at this point. I could see it driving people further apart, though. If we DO see any sort of a surge this fall and most people are like me and don't have any sympathy for unvaccinated people who die, it's probably gonna piss a lot of people off.

I just don't have any patience left. If you die from driving drunk, not wearing a seat belt, riding a motorcycle without a helmet, playing russian roulette, or not getting a COVID vaccine, that's on you.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Guess 500k+ dieing isn't enough to sway some people. I don't want to go back to a year ago.

It's so frustrating to me that we have the solution to the problem in hand, and yet we can only talk 20% or less of people in some areas to reach out and use it. These mRNA vaccines are like something God or (choose your higher power here) opened up the sky and delivered to us on a golden pillow. Hell even the J&J vaccine was delivered on a slightly less quality pillow. Even the ****ing made in China vaccine would have been good enough for the most part.

But nah. mRNA scary! Vaccine bad! If I get sick, I'll treat myself with ivermictin I buy down at the feed store. If that doesn't work, they'll just give me some hydroxycloriquine.

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[TLO]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Eh, I don't think you'll see that at this point. I could see it driving people further apart, though. If we DO see any sort of a surge this fall and most people are like me and don't have any sympathy for unvaccinated people who die, it's probably gonna piss a lot of people off.

I just don't have any patience left. If you die from driving drunk, not wearing a seat belt, riding a motorcycle without a helmet, playing russian roulette, or not getting a COVID vaccine, that's on you.

I agree it won't get as bad as a year ago, or anything like this winter. But I work in healthcare and already see the impact this recent surge locally is causing. I need to try and find a way to let my frustration go with the people who choose not to get the vaccine, but it's really really hard.

[NotDonger]

Vermont has 63.5% of its population fully vaccinated.

74% of adults fully vaccinated.

84% of adults with one jab.

They had three new cases yesterday, from a high of 190 (7 day average) in early April.

[NotDonger]

Originally Posted by TLO

I agree it won't get as bad as a year ago, or anything like this winter. But I work in healthcare and already see the impact this recent surge locally is causing. I need to try and find a way to let my frustration go with the people who choose not to get the vaccine, but it's really really hard.

I'm with the above DaFace person on this. I'd have zero sympathy for anyone who chooses to not get vaccinated and develops COVID-19 at this stage. Sympathy for the people who'll have to treat them, but there are no excuses now. Over 300 million jabs and not a single proven, causal death from the vaccines. And breakthrough numbers which are just phenomenal.

The data are clear. Want to ignore the data and take your chances? Knock yourself out.

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I'm about as anti mask as it gets but on the other hand mother ****ers need to get vaccinated so they don't **** it all up again.

There is in "honor system" here in Cali. Basically if no vaccine you will wear a mask indoors to business's. Yeah right like people are going to be honest about it. I think there will be a small spike as everyone lets their guard down.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by NotDonger

I'm with the above DaFace person on this. I'd have zero sympathy for anyone who chooses to not get vaccinated and develops COVID-19 at this stage. Sympathy for the people who'll have to treat them, but there are no excuses now. Over 300 million jabs and not a single proven, causal death from the vaccines. And breakthrough numbers which are just phenomenal.



The data are clear. Want to ignore the data and take your chances? Knock yourself out.

I feel the same as you guys. It's pretty awesome the technology and development to get us to this point. They are going to learn the hard way or not for some. Think losing family and people you know would've been enough to sway to get it.

I'm glad almost everyone I love has gotten their shots.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by Eureka

There is in "honor system" here in Cali. Basically if no vaccine you will wear a mask indoors to business's. Yeah right like people are going to be honest about it. I think there will be a small spike as everyone lets their guard down.

Yeah Kansas City is almost all maskless yet it's under 40% vaccinated. Bunch of liars

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by NotDonger

I'm with the above DaFace person on this. I'd have zero sympathy for anyone who chooses to not get vaccinated and develops COVID-19 at this stage. Sympathy for the people who'll have to treat them, but there are no excuses now. Over 300 million jabs and not a single proven, causal death from the vaccines. And breakthrough numbers which are just phenomenal.

The data are clear. Want to ignore the data and take your chances? Knock yourself out.

I actually do feel sorry for those who are misinformed due to whatever social\cultural\etc. reasons and I will end that thought there because I don't care to get booted.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by Eureka

There is in "honor system" here in Cali. Basically if no vaccine you will wear a mask indoors to business's. Yeah right like people are going to be honest about it. I think there will be a small spike as everyone lets their guard down.

My part of NorCal is still about 90% wearing masks but I sure hope that starts dropping soon.

I am trying to do my part to show that its OK to be indoors without a masks when you're fully vaccinated which I think the rate is pretty high in my liberal neighborhood.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

My part of NorCal is still about 90% wearing masks but I sure hope that starts dropping soon.

I am trying to do my part to show that its OK to be indoors without a masks when you're fully vaccinated which I think the rate is pretty high in my liberal neighborhood.

Visited Chicago few weeks back. It was 90% or so too...I was like wow everyone's even wearing them outside which I thought was too much.

[Kiimo]

I might be the only person who enjoys the mask. I like hiding my face from the world call me crazy.


I'm wearing em on planes for sure but not because of covid.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

I might be the only person who enjoys the mask. I like hiding my face from the world call me crazy.


I'm wearing em on planes for sure but not because of covid.

I think this is pretty common and a lot of people supported mask mandates for the same reason. They have social anxiety.

[O.city]

Hospital here has jumped up to 80 patients quickly. Talked to one of the ER docs I play golf with, said none of them have been vaccinated.

Hopefully they have good outcomes. Shit is still scary