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Old 08-19-2019, 03:42 PM  
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Daily Beast: Study Links Fluoridated Water During Pregnancy to Lower IQs



An influential medical journal published a study Monday that links fluoride consumption during pregnancy with lower childhood IQs—a finding that could undermine decades of public-health messaging, fire up conspiracy theorists, and alarm mothers-to-be.

The research was expected to be so controversial that JAMA Pediatrics included an editor’s note saying the decision to publish it was not easy and that it was subjected to “additional scrutiny.”

“It is the only editor’s note I’ve ever written,” Dimitri Christakis, editor in chief of JAMA Pediatrics and a pediatrician, told The Daily Beast. “There was concern on the journal’s editorial team about how this would play out in the public eye and what the public-health implications would be.”

About three-fourths of the United States drinks fluoridated tap water—which the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention declared one of the 10 greatest public-health achievements of the 20th century because it dramatically reduces tooth decay.

A handful of earlier studies have suggested that prenatal fluoride exposure could affect neurodevelopment, but many experts considered those to be substandard.

The new study, vetted by the premier medical publisher in the U.S., is seen as more rigorous, although some experts found it unconvincing, saying the results were statistically borderline and the methodology was flawed.

“When we started in this field, we were told that fluoride is safe and effective in pregnancy,” said study co-author Christine Till of York University in Toronto. “But when we looked for the evidence to suggest that it’s safe, we didn’t find any studies done on pregnant women.”

They recruited 512 pregnant women from six Canadian cities and measured their exposure several ways: analyzing the amount of fluoride in their urine; looking at how much tap water and tea they drank; and comparing the fluoride concentration in the community drinking water.


Then, when the women’s children were 3 or 4, the researchers gave them IQ tests and crunched the numbers to see if they could find any trends.

“We saw an association between prenatal fluoride exposure and lower IQ scores in children,” study author Rivky Green said.

Specifically, they found a 1 mg per liter increase in concentration of fluoride in urine was associated with a 4.5 point decrease in IQ among boys—though not girls. Another translation: The boys of mothers with the most fluoride in the urine had IQs about 3 points lower than the boys of mothers with the least amount.

Although critics of the study pointed to the different results by gender as a red flag, when the researchers measured fluoride exposure by examining the women’s fluid intake, they found lower IQs in boys and girls. A 1 mg increase per day was associated with a 3.7-point IQ deficit among both.

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Old 08-20-2019, 12:01 AM   #16
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Old 08-20-2019, 03:21 AM   #18
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To me, the fluoridated water debate has never been about who is right and who is wrong. It's about personal freedom. If somebody doesn't want to drink that shit, they shouldn't be basically forced to drink that shit just because other people think they know what's better for you.

You can get your fluoride elsewhere. You don't have to force an entire population to do something that some of them don't want to do. I don't know why that's so ****ing hard for people to understand. **** you if you are ok with that shit.

What will you ever do with public water supplies that have naturally occurring fluoride?
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Old 08-20-2019, 04:20 AM   #19
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Another example that when someone says science is settled and the answer has been determined, it may not be. Thats what makes Science so fascinating.

I seriously doubt that Flouride in water has any impact on IQ...but nothing wrong with challenging the status quo with study.

I dont doubt being raised by moron parents, health, nutrition, exposure to learning opportunities all contribute to brighter children, smarter adults, and more success in life.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:23 AM   #20
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What will you ever do with public water supplies that have naturally occurring fluoride?
It's not about me dipshit. I use fluoride toothpaste. I'm pretty sure I've consumed fluoride because of that. But I voted against fluoridating the water in Wichita when it was up for a vote yet again a few years ago. And the majority agreed with me.

I'm pretty sure consuming fluoride has zero health benefits. The proponents are banking their argument on some studies that show that as the water passes by the teeth of the population, it will move the needle on tooth decay by a minute amount. So happy you are willing to sell out the concept of freedom so cheaply.

If it occurs naturally in the water supply, we'll you're stuck with it or you can move, I guess. No need to intentionally add it, however.
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:21 AM   #21
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To me, the fluoridated water debate has never been about who is right and who is wrong. It's about personal freedom. If somebody doesn't want to drink that shit, they shouldn't be basically forced to drink that shit just because other people think they know what's better for you.

You can get your fluoride elsewhere. You don't have to force an entire population to do something that some of them don't want to do. I don't know why that's so ****ing hard for people to understand. **** you if you are ok with that shit.
Never about right or wrong? That sounds like something an anti-vaxxer would say. When dealing with public health issues, it absolutely should be about right and wrong. You still have your personal freedom to source your water anywhere you like.
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:32 AM   #22
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Never about right or wrong? That sounds like something an anti-vaxxer would say. When dealing with public health issues, it absolutely should be about right and wrong. You still have your personal freedom to source your water anywhere you like.
I have 3 questions for you.

Can you get fluoride from sources other than the water supply to ensure your teeth stay healthy?

Does someone having bad teeth pose a danger to the health of the rest of society?

Are you a ****ing Nazi?

You still have your personal freedom to source your fluoride anywhere you like. And that's not an equal comparison. It's ****ing water. You probably want the Hershey company to control the rights to all water too I bet.
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:38 AM   #23
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I have 3 questions for you.

Can you get fluoride from sources other than the water supply to ensure your teeth stay healthy?

Does someone having bad teeth pose a danger to the health of the rest of society?

Are you a ****ing Nazi?

You still have your personal freedom to source your fluoride anywhere you like. And that's not an equal comparison. It's ****ing water. You probably want the Hershey company to control the rights to all water too I bet.
Society has collectively decided that its easier and more beneficial for society if the population has fluoride in its public drinking water. Feel free to attempt to change that or leave society.
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Get a whole-home water filtration system. One that removes fluoride, chlorine, and chloramine. Your skin won't need moisturizers any more, your hair will get softer, you'll see your houseplants thrive like never before, your coffee and tea will taste noticeably better, you won't add tons of plastic waste to the environment, and you won't lose brain cells just because you were thirsty and needed a drink.

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Society has collectively decided that its easier and more beneficial for society if the population has fluoride in its public drinking water. Feel free to attempt to change that or leave society.
I did feel free to attempt to change that. Wichita does not have fluoridated water. Never has. We voted on it again a few years back. My teeth are in great shape btw. I didn't even have to leave society.

Society collectively decided in Germany that gassing jewish people was cool a while back. Your argument sucks.
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I did feel free to attempt to change that. Wichita does not have fluoridated water. Never has. We voted on it again a few years back. My teeth are in great shape btw. I didn't even have to leave society.

Society collectively decided in Germany that gassing jewish people was cool a while back. Your argument sucks.
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It's not about me dipshit. I use fluoride toothpaste. I'm pretty sure I've consumed fluoride because of that. But I voted against fluoridating the water in Wichita when it was up for a vote yet again a few years ago. And the majority agreed with me.

I'm pretty sure consuming fluoride has zero health benefits. The proponents are banking their argument on some studies that show that as the water passes by the teeth of the population, it will move the needle on tooth decay by a minute amount. So happy you are willing to sell out the concept of freedom so cheaply.

If it occurs naturally in the water supply, we'll you're stuck with it or you can move, I guess. No need to intentionally add it, however.
Interesting you bring up Wichita. Did you know Wichita has fluoride in it's water?
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I did feel free to attempt to change that. Wichita does not have fluoridated water. Never has. We voted on it again a few years back. My teeth are in great shape btw. I didn't even have to leave society.

Society collectively decided in Germany that gassing jewish people was cool a while back. Your argument sucks.
The City of Wichita would disagree with you. I'm positive of it.

This whole fluoridation debate goes way back to the 50's-60's during the height of the Cold War. The first critics claimed it was being used by the Soviets to make us all communists through mind control by adding fluoride to the water. Their evidence of this is because the Soviets found the health benefits associated to fluoride. Of course through the years the critics have changed, and changed again their arguments against the use of fluoride. Now we are at the point of brain damage, low IQ and whatever else excuse they want to find to be against it.

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I did feel free to attempt to change that. Wichita does not have fluoridated water. Never has. We voted on it again a few years back. My teeth are in great shape btw. I didn't even have to leave society.

Society collectively decided in Germany that gassing jewish people was cool a while back. Your argument sucks.
I mean, obviously comparing public water having fluoride to Nazis, twice now, is invalid by your own words saying you freely voted on the issue.

What are you bitching about again? Places you don't live freely voting to have fluoride just because you disagree with them?
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I have 3 questions for you.

Can you get fluoride from sources other than the water supply to ensure your teeth stay healthy?

Does someone having bad teeth pose a danger to the health of the rest of society?

Are you a ****ing Nazi?

You still have your personal freedom to source your fluoride anywhere you like. And that's not an equal comparison. It's ****ing water. You probably want the Hershey company to control the rights to all water too I bet.
Complains of unequal comparisons, calls me a Nazi for supporting fluoridated water...
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