Better Call Saul

[rico]

As I am sure many of y'all already know, a spinoff of "Breaking Bad" titled "Better Call Saul" will be airing in 2014. This is going to be a prequel to Breaking Bad and will be based on the character of Saul Goodman from "Breaking Bad."

I, for one, will be watching. I'm sure the majority of all of you other "Breaking Bad" fans will be as well. Might as well get the discussion going sooner rather than later.

So... what are your hopes, expectations and/or concerns with the show? Here are some of mine:

Hopes: I hope to see Saul do his thing in the courtroom. I hope to see strong, unique supporting characters. I hope to see Breaking Bad foreshadowing. I hope he has an intriguing paralegal and/or assistant. I hope to see Breaking Bad characters such as Fring, Mike, etc...whoever. I hope the show kicks ass.

Expectations: I don't expect it to be as good as "Breaking Bad" (because nothing else is, really), but I expect it to be good since Vince Gilligan is writing. I somewhat expect it to have an even balance of comedy and drama...since Saul undeniably provides a substantial amount of comedic relief in "Breaking Bad." I expect to see "courtroom Saul." I expect the "Breaking Bad" references and character cameos to be less than what I hope. If it isn't even a fraction as good as "Breaking Bad," I expect it to be better than 95% of everything else on TV, since there is some shitty shit on TV these days.

Concerns: I'd be a liar if I were to say that I didn't think this show has potential of flopping and certainly failing to meet the presumed high expectations of the audience. Don't get me wrong, I think it will be good... but I think it COULD suck if not executed properly. My main concern is Saul ultimately proving himself to be a "little dab will do ya" type of character, which would lead to a show centered around his character not working out. I am hoping that the character of Saul will not be so over-used and constantly over the top, that he becomes annoying to me, thus ruining his character for me altogether... Not saying I think this will be how it goes down...just saying I think there is a CHANCE of this being the case, which prompts me to believe that a strong supporting cast is VITAL in terms of the amount of success/quality this show will accumulate. All in all, I don't think VG will steer us in an unfortunate direction though...I think they'll pull it off.

Thoughts?

DISCUS!!!!

[MikeMaslowski]

Not sure if mentioned, Kim said she was from a small town on Kan/Neb border. Go Royals!

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski

Half-measures haunting him. It is not for her at all either. He knows what a (insert meanie name here) she is.

Mike took a half-measure with Tuco Salamanca. That is not working out well either.

[frankotank]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I despise Mikes daughter in law. Shes sooo willing to take hand outs, for no real good reason. She has one kid, a job, and lives in a super affordable part of the country. Booofrickinwho

dude....I was thinking the same thing. when she was hugging him....blek....fake bitch.

[frankotank]

Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski

Half-measures haunting him. It is not for her at all either. He knows what a BITCH she is.

FYP

[frankotank]

Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski

Not sure if mentioned, Kim said she was from a small town on Kan/Neb border. Go Royals!

interestingly enough....somewhere in this very thread someone surmised that she is probably from nebraska (which I thought was weird when I read it...cause...why not guess KS or MO) and that is the reason she's wearing the Royals shirt.

[frankotank]

I thought the transition from the wind blowey guy to the colorful Saul suits was awesome!
when he's driving away from it smiling I was like WTF is he gonna do now. awesome.
I'da rocked those man! hahaha. I liked them!

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by frankotank

interestingly enough....somewhere in this very thread someone surmised that she is probably from nebraska (which I thought was weird when I read it...cause...why not guess KS or MO) and that is the reason she's wearing the Royals shirt.

This makes Jimmy's landing in Omaha feel like it isn't a narrative accident.

[frankotank]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

This makes Jimmy's landing in Omaha feel like it isn't a narrative accident.

WOH!

[Gonzo]

Wacky-waving, inflatable, arm-flailing tube man ftmfw.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

It's entirely possible that Chuck's story was 100 percent true. But let's remember: It was told completely from his POV.

I think there's room for skepticism. For instance, he told Kim his father was a paragon of honesty, a saint, really put him on a pedestal. Thus, he couldn't imagine Dad doing anything remotely wrong.

So what if ... that $14,000 missing from the business was actually Dad spending a bit on, say, gambling, or some other vice. Chuck's idealization of his Dad -- and his inherent dislike/distrust of his brother -- may have led him to wrongly assume Jimmy skimmed the money. His Dad wouldn't accept that because he knew Jimmy was innocent, but he was too guilt-ridden to fess up to Chuck.

Oh Kim...I mean Khatru. You just keep putting your faith in Jimmy and he just keeps burning you. Was it Chuck's fault that a con-man convinced 9 yr old Jimmy to steal from the till as well?

Jimmy's has a soft heart and a bad BAAAAD moral compass. That's not Chuck's fault, nor is Chuck the bad guy for seeing Jimmy for who he is.

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

You're right in that means; I just feel Jimmy's crookedness will be amplified by his frustrations with Chuck.

I guess my intentions were that Jimmy wouldn't become Saul as we know him without a slight nudge from Chuck's continuous distrust and anticipatory treatment of Jimmy.

It sure looks to me like Jimmy became Saul after he decided to embrace who he truly was. Despite all the hang-wringing over the 'path' that Chuck put Jimmy on, Jimmy had made partner at a successful, straight arrow firm and he intentionally sabotaged that. All the roadblocks (fair as they were) put up by Chuck had been cleared. That's on Jimmy and has nothing to do with Chuck.

It was Jimmy's realization of self that put him on the path to becoming Saul. Hell, if anything, striving to be Chuck is the only thing that pushed that off for a few years.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh Kim...I mean Khatru. You just keep putting your faith in Jimmy and he just keeps burning you. Was it Chuck's fault that a con-man convinced 9 yr old Jimmy to steal from the till as well?

You could tell from the kid Jimmy's reaction that he came to the realization that his dad was a soft bitch that would never change. I love how he just said **** it at the end of the scene and stole from his dad as well.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I despise Mikes daughter in law. Shes sooo willing to take hand outs, for no real good reason. She has one kid, a job, and lives in a super affordable part of the country. Booofrickinwho

She's mentally ill, you know that right?

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

This makes Jimmy's landing in Omaha feel like it isn't a narrative accident.

Is it ever with Vince?

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh Kim...I mean Khatru. You just keep putting your faith in Jimmy and he just keeps burning you. Was it Chuck's fault that a con-man convinced 9 yr old Jimmy to steal from the till as well?

Jimmy's has a soft heart and a bad BAAAAD moral compass. That's not Chuck's fault, nor is Chuck the bad guy for seeing Jimmy for who he is.




It sure looks to me like Jimmy became Saul after he decided to embrace who he truly was. Despite all the hang-wringing over the 'path' that Chuck put Jimmy on, Jimmy had made partner at a successful, straight arrow firm and he intentionally sabotaged that. All the roadblocks (fair as they were) put up by Chuck had been cleared. That's on Jimmy and has nothing to do with Chuck.

It was Jimmy's realization of self that put him on the path to becoming Saul. Hell, if anything, striving to be Chuck is the only thing that pushed that off for a few years.

That's sort of the beginning of his breaking bad point you could say. He had the gift of charm, and to sniff out bs. He was trying to save his dad from himself. The sheep and wolf line stuck, and even though Jimmy makes his choices, it definitely skews his worldview that you are either playing the game or being played.

I have a feeling Jimmy isn't completely at fault for the store, even if he lifted from the register. It's never going to be so black and white, and I have a feeling someone else may be leaning on his dad, possibly for protection money, that will be the cause. The whole scene seems like a red herring to get the audience to see that brief scene and jump to forming an opinion.

[Otter]

Great episode. I love this show.

Seems like the writers should have had at least included some input from Jimmy's brother somewhere between the beginning and the end of the meltdown at the law firm just to make it a little more realistic. He conveniently vanished during a process he would have played a considerable role in deciding the outcome.

I didn't think Mike wasn't going to let go of them threatening Kaylee. No way. It's the one thing in his life that has been tainted.

Just a guess here, no spoilers: since everyone in the room where Mike had the meeting about accepting responsibility for Tuco's gun is still alive and well in Breaking Bad I have a strong suspicion Mike is going to be the man responsible for Hector being shaky and wheel chair bound.