Should the Chiefs look at S Minkah Fitzpatrick as a CB?

[Megatron96]

So I've come around to the idea that we might need to address the CB situation sooner rather than later.

In that vein, I was wondering what we think of S Minkah Fitzpatrick of the Miami Dolphins.

6' 1" 200 lbs.

2018 stats
80 tackles
9 pass defended
2 INTs

I know, he's listed as a safety. But last year, out of 1,000 snaps played, he actually played over the slot and on the boundary in nearly 700 snaps. And when he was targeted, he allowed just a 51% completion rate, and a QB rating of only 49%. Okay, 49.7%.

And while he's still got 3 years to go on his contract, he looks cheap, at about 3-4 million/year.

Maybe a solid possibility?

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Of course. In a perfect world, one in which they hadn’t just gave away a first for Frank Clark.

Well, only time will tell if that was a good decision or not. I'd say he's likely to be a more productive player than whomever we would've drafted at what was it, #29? And sooner, no learning curve.

In the future, once Mahomes is on that second contract, we won't be able to afford deals like that, for expensive veterans.

Deals like a very late first or a second for a guy like Fitzpatrick are good moves, in my opinion.

[RollChiefsRoll]

Minkah was a beast at Alabama. I'm just concerned about slotting in a more natural safety at corner.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It’s not about me wanting to, it’s more about whether or not they will. I just don’t see it.

You don’t think they want to make a move?

Why did they free up all that cap space if that’s the case?

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Of course. In a perfect world, one in which they hadn’t just gave away a first for Frank Clark.

This franchise has been bad at drafting defensive players. Chris Jones and Marcus Peters are the only real hits (Thornhill looks like a good one but has played 1 game).

Andy will find value on offense. He’s proven that time and time again. We have not been good at finding that same value on defense.

I would consider a 1st since it would be basically 4 years of cheap cost control. That’s a big time talent that also allows you cap control to lock of Jones.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You don’t think they want to make a move?

Why did they free up all that cap space if that’s the case?

I think it's clear they want to make a move. I don't think THIS move would have much effect on the cap.

I think they want to make a few moves, and this one would be a smart one.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Why not?

Fitzpatrick essentially is a 1st at this point, year 2 of his contract as a top 10 pick.

Because teams just don’t do it. I get that Veach is unconventional but this isn’t Madden. I’d love to have Fitzpatrick. Would have liked to have Peterson. Or Thomas. Or any number of other guys that could have been had before the deadline. They went all-in on Frank Clark, to the point that they might not be able to keep Jones. Again, I’m not against the idea. I just don’t see it happening.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I think it's clear they want to make a move. I don't think THIS move would have much effect on the cap.

I think they want to make a few moves, and this one would be a smart one.

Oh I know this one doesn’t have much to do with the extra cap space, but he seems convinced they won’t make a move at all.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Fitzpatrick makes the most sense from the perspective of wanting to pay Mahomes and Jones soon. That’s harder if you go with PP.

Idk I think it’s a Veach move all day long.

Also, I think the blanentness of Miami’s tanking creates a real buying opportunity.

A 22 year old top flight corner with 4 years of cost control doesn’t come along frequently.

Hopefully O’Brian didn’t distort the market too badly.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You don’t think they want to make a move?

Why did they free up all that cap space if that’s the case?

Sure they want to make a move. Think Charvarious Ward or Jordan Lucas not Patrick Peterson or Minkah Fitzpatrick.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Because teams just don’t do it. I get that Veach is unconventional but this isn’t Madden. I’d love to have Fitzpatrick. Would have liked to have Peterson. Or Thomas. Or any number of other guys that could have been had before the deadline. They went all-in on Frank Clark, to the point that they might not be able to keep Jones. Again, I’m not against the idea. I just don’t see it happening.

I don’t see Fitzpatrick as anything but a 1st rounder. He’s 22 and has 4 years of cheap control left.

Now, with all this said, I’m not trading for him unless you trust him as an outside CB. That’s what we need, not another safety.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sure they want to make a move. Think Charvarious Ward or Jordan Lucas not Patrick Peterson or Minkah Fitzpatrick.

Yeah there’s no way they cleared all that cap room to get another Ward.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Oh I know this one doesn’t have much to do with the extra cap space, but he seems convinced they won’t make a move at all.

How in the world does “they won’t trade a first” equal “they won’t make any moves at all”?

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Because teams just don’t do it. I get that Veach is unconventional but this isn’t Madden. I’d love to have Fitzpatrick. Would have liked to have Peterson. Or Thomas. Or any number of other guys that could have been had before the deadline. They went all-in on Frank Clark, to the point that they might not be able to keep Jones. Again, I’m not against the idea. I just don’t see it happening.

Teams just don't do it...but other teams don't have Patrick ****ing Mahomes, the reigning NFL MVP who is 24 years old.

IF you stand pat in the draft every year, you're going to picking low 20's to #32 every year for the next decade plus. Your chances of keeping your team stocked with plus talent are pretty sketchy.

You're going to have to pay Mahomes soon. That means your ability to go pay Frank Clarks and Honey Badgers in free agency is going to be compromised.

the other option is to trade for proven young talent with your draft picks when the opportunity arises.

I think it makes too much sense not to try to do that when you can.

He's scheme flexible, can play multiple positions, is a good player, and allows you to NOT pay Fuller when he's up, and perhaps even Honey Badger when HE is up again.

It's a no-brainer.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

How in the world does “they won’t trade a first” equal “they won’t make any moves at all”?

Ummm

Originally Posted by htismaqe

They want a reported 1st for Fitzpatrick. Howard is not available and even if he was, he’d be worth even more. Patrick Peterson isn’t available. People need to come to terms with the fact that this group they have now is it for 2019. We are one game into the season with a completely new defense - players AND coaches. We waited 35 years for Patrick Mahomes. Be freaking patient.

Sure sounds like that’s what you were saying.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Teams just don't do it...but other teams don't have Patrick ****ing Mahomes, the reigning NFL MVP who is 24 years old.

IF you stand pat in the draft every year, you're going to picking low 20's to #32 every year for the next decade plus. Your chances of keeping your team stocked with plus talent are pretty sketchy.

You're going to have to pay Mahomes soon. That means your ability to go pay Frank Clarks and Honey Badgers in free agency is going to be compromised.

the other option is to trade for proven young talent with your draft picks when the opportunity arises.

I think it makes too much sense not to try to do that when you can.

He's scheme flexible, can play multiple positions, is a good player, and allows you to NOT pay Fuller when he's up, and perhaps even Honey Badger when HE is up again.

It's a no-brainer.

Last season there were a couple of no-brainers that could have been done at the deadline that would have likely landed them in the Super Bowl. Everything you just said was valid last year, maybe even more so, and they went home while the Patriots went to the Super Bowl.

Again. I’m all for it but I’m not holding my breath.