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Breitbart: Walmart Outsources Almost 600 Accounting, Finance Jobs to Indian H-1Bs

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Walmart is outsourcing 569 finance and accounting jobs in North Carolina to Indian contract workers, spotlighting the expansion of the H-1B program from software jobs to accounting, healthcare, and design...
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/20...-indian-h-1bs/

Now, who here is going to pretend that Americans won't do accounting, and that this is necessary?
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Old 08-30-2019, 06:59 PM   #61
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It's in the report. You can read it. I read a lot of it but not all of it yet.



I figured as much. So keep talking outta' your ass about fake free-trade and phoney competitiveness then in order to live in your own utopia of state-managed trade.
I'm not going to bother reading it if you don't. And if you can't give examples of how TPP has infected the USMCA, then I'll assume you haven't read enough of it (or that my suspicion that you've been led astray once again by misleading reportage is correct).
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:00 PM   #62
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We were farmers and there wasn't really much of a global market. We rose to economic juggernaut largely because the rest of the industrialized world was leveled. None of it is particularly relevant to our competitiveness challenges of today.
This "global market" globalists like you keep citing, was created by governments—not markets. It is govt-managed trade.

And no, the industrial revolution happened all through the 19th century when people left rural areas and farms to find work in urban areas. It was during the 19th century we rose as an economic powerhouse and passed Europe, which underwent the same industrial revolution. It is one reason why, we could win two world wars too. Now we're a bunch of service workers. I am not aware of any competitiveness challenges to the US economy prior to NAFTA, CAFTA etc. It seems to me the economy worked just fine prior these, especially the decade prior under Reagan. Certain things may have cost more, but people also made more accounting for it. These trade pacts benefit corporations primarily, who made plenty of profits during the previous era too.
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:02 PM   #63
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Here it is, new USMCA is 57% of TPP. It's an OttawaU Study but was buried on an American Chamber of Commerce Vietnam (AmCham) website.

https://www.amchamvietnam.com/wp-con...-TPP-USMCA.pdf
OMG! The deep state has incorporated 40% of the US-Morroco trade agreement into USMCA. And 43% from the US-Peru trade agreement. Oh no, what does it all mean???
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:07 PM   #64
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OMG! The deep state has incorporated 40% of the US-Morroco trade agreement into USMCA. And 43% from the US-Peru trade agreement. Oh no, what does it all mean???
That's all you got is using that chart to cherry pick to mock?

You got nuthin'. Read more of it instead of glancing at a chart in one section.

My first and foremost concern is how these pacts erode our national sovereignty and Constitutional rights. Nothing like a thousand page document created by bureaucrats to bury that whole concept in. It's only about money with you, not keeping America fully sovereign and independent.
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:09 PM   #65
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Also, when smaller countries give-up tariffs, they lose a lot of revenue they can't easily make up.
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That's all you got is using that chart to cherry pick to mock?

You got nuthin'. Read more of it instead of glancing at a chart in one section.

My first and foremost concern is how these pacts erode our national sovereignty and Constitutional rights. Nothing like a thousand page document created by bureaucrats to bury that whole concept in.
It's only about money with you.
What does the 57% number mean if the USMCA also shares 40% with US-Morocco and 43% with US-Peru? It means they've used a bunch of boilerplate. Since you never articulate a specific objection, it's hard to know what part of the imported TPP language bothers you.

Your real objection seems to have nothing to do with TPP or shared language. Your objection seems to just be trade agreements themselves without regard to how the governing mechanisms (which lead to your sovereignty concerns) are described.
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:17 PM   #67
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Here's a section, on page 14, that should concern you if you're a strict Constitutionalist:
Second, the textual similarity to the TPP can seem surprisingly low, because the TPP and USCMA are negotiated based on the same U.S. enabling legislation. The U.S.Congress has enabled the Executive to negotiate trade agreements under an expedited procedure, called “fast track” or Trade Promotion Authority (TPA), whereby, crudely simplified, Congress defines substantive negotiation objectives and mandates a set of consultation procedures, and, in return, the Executive can negotiate an agreement and presents the final text to Congress for a yes/no vote.
Where does the Constitution give the Congress the authority to transfer it's powers to "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes" as stated under the powers of Congress to the Executive Branch?

Fast Track enabling power is not granted to a president. The Commerce Clause is one of enumerated power listed in the Article I, Section 8, Clause 3. This is where the powers granted to Congress are listed. This enabling by congress violates the separation of powers.

I never expected Trump to know the Constitution well enough so he needs to rely on what he's told it says.
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:28 PM   #68
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That doesn't make sense to me. Obviously, I don't find it persuasive at all.
Try thinking for yourself, instead of being a GOPe parrot. That'll help it make sense.
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The chirping crickets started immediately after my last post on how the Constitution gets subverted with these fake free-trade deals. That isn't the only example either. There is so much wrong with these trade pacts in that area as well as economic ones. I just don't have the time to address them all right now. But will do the following:

Let's look at this threat to competitiveness that patteeu is worried about.

Does anyone think that Apple's iPhone, Nike shoe, Nike footwear and Levi jeans are "cheap Chinese goods"? Nor is a MacBookPro cheap.

They are products of US firms that are made in China for sale in the US and they are NOT cheap. My observation is many other goods have continued to rise in price over the past 25 years too or have not gone down. Example: a stainless steel asparagus pan I purchased in the late 1990's was $15 — but today sells everywhere I've looked, if of comparable quality, for $30.

Globalism basically transferred the US economy to the China and/or the Third World.

Frankly I don't see this "competitiveness" that is a concern of patteu's. Looks like another globalist deception. Instead Americans have been stripped of their bargaining power in their own country based supply and demand. Same is true for these work visas, where American staff get laid-off, even to train their cheap foreign replacements.

The enormous cost savings for corporations has not been used for investment in new plant and equipment, but to buy back their own shares. The repurchase of their shares rather than invest, reduces demand for increased output. They wind up looting their own corporations for bonuses, decapitalizing the companies in the process. This is something Chiefzilla criticizes but comes at it from the wrong angle. It does not address the cause of that problem.

Real economic growth results in a rising labor force participation rate as people enter the work force to take advantage of the jobs. But throughout the alleged economic boom, the participation rate has been falling, because there are no jobs to be had.

Instead the process has kept going by the expansion of debt, because consumer income has not kept pace and consumer debt expansion has reached its limits. This is because Americans can't afford to purchase these goods. This is why college graduates can't get the jobs needed to pay back their loans too. Then they're prone to socialist arguments from the left. Guess, that's competitiveness to some including in ideas.
Globalism Transferred the US Economy to China

The Tariff Issue
Suggests corporations be taxed based on their geographical location instead of using tariffs. Now, that's a new idea I haven't heard to date! Says, Trump needs advisers who understand the problem correctly, but none exist among today's neoliberal economists. It's not Trump's fault, because he inherited the problem.
So it still looks to me that Trump's instincts are correct but another solution would be better. I found Robert's argument to be persuasive here. Those who don't like tariffs being targeted, may like it too. But the "competitiveness" point is nonsense as is that such goods are cheap. LOL!
Points, but not all, taken from Dr. Paul Craig Roberts—President Reagan appointed Dr. Roberts Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and he was confirmed in office by the U.S. Senate. More here about his background. Not surprisingly, patteeu doesn't like him.
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The chirping crickets started immediately after my last post on how the Constitution gets subverted with these fake free-trade deals. That isn't the only example either. There is so much wrong with these trade pacts in that area as well as economic ones. I just don't have the time to address them all right now. But will do the following:

Let's look at this threat to competitiveness that patteeu is worried about.

Does anyone think that Apple's iPhone, Nike shoe, Nike footwear and Levi jeans are "cheap Chinese goods"? Nor is a MacBookPro cheap.

They are products of US firms that are made in China for sale in the US and they are NOT cheap. My observation is many other goods have continued to rise in price over the past 25 years too or have not gone down. Example: a stainless steel asparagus pan I purchased in the late 1990's was $15 — but today sells everywhere I've looked, if of comparable quality, for $30.

Globalism basically transferred the US economy to the China and/or the Third World.

Frankly I don't see this "competitiveness" that is a concern of patteu's. Looks like another globalist deception. Instead Americans have been stripped of their bargaining power in their own country based supply and demand. Same is true for these work visas, where American staff get laid-off, even to train their cheap foreign replacements.

The enormous cost savings for corporations has not been used for investment in new plant and equipment, but to buy back their own shares. The repurchase of their shares rather than invest, reduces demand for increased output. They wind up looting their own corporations for bonuses, decapitalizing the companies in the process. This is something Chiefzilla criticizes but comes at it from the wrong angle. It does not address the cause of that problem.

Real economic growth results in a rising labor force participation rate as people enter the work force to take advantage of the jobs. But throughout the alleged economic boom, the participation rate has been falling, because there are no jobs to be had.

Instead the process has kept going by the expansion of debt, because consumer income has not kept pace and consumer debt expansion has reached its limits. This is because Americans can't afford to purchase these goods. This is why college graduates can't get the jobs needed to pay back their loans too. Then they're prone to socialist arguments from the left. Guess, that's competitiveness to some including in ideas.
Globalism Transferred the US Economy to China

The Tariff Issue
Suggests corporations be taxed based on their geographical location instead of using tariffs. Now, that's a new idea I haven't heard to date! Says, Trump needs advisers who understand the problem correctly, but none exist among today's neoliberal economists. It's not Trump's fault, because he inherited the problem.
So it still looks to me that Trump's instincts are correct but another solution would be better. I found Robert's argument to be persuasive here. Those who don't like tariffs being targeted, may like it too. But the "competitiveness" point is nonsense as is that such goods are cheap. LOL!
Points, but not all, taken from Dr. Paul Craig Roberts—President Reagan appointed Dr. Roberts Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and he was confirmed in office by the U.S. Senate. More here about his background. Not surprisingly, patteeu doesn't like him.
The prices on China-made products are high at your local mall so competitiveness must not be an issue? I don’t understand your argument.
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Patteu got owned this week when job growth was revised downward 501,000


He cited past job reports as proof we needed more workers. Just a ghastly faceplant and we will see if he retracts his statement
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He cited past job reports as proof we needed more workers. Just a ghastly faceplant and we will see if he retracts his statement
That never happened.
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He cited past job reports as proof we needed more workers. Just a ghastly faceplant and we will see if he retracts his statement
The market is tanking too
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