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How did Skyy Moore fall to us?
Largely size concerns, it seems:
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Remember, star rankings are like the Richter scale. It's not 'just one star' - the difference between a 2-star and 3-star guy is a pretty damn big one. Guy's you're citing - the Rodgers, Donalds, Taylors (a 4-star who went to one of the premier RB schools in the country, FYI), Watts - these were 3 star kids. These are not analogues to Skyy Moore. Kupp is, no question. He's exactly the kind of guy you cite here. But again - I didn't say there were NONE of them. Only that there ain't many. And the odds of Moore being another one are simply statistically EXTREMELY remote.
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05-25-2022, 11:28 PM | #32 |
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DJ, I think you’ve given yourself paralysis by analysis on this topic.
Everything he’s going to be asked to do physically and mentally in this system are things his physical and mental traits are top notch at. Elite acceleration Elite hands Crisp route running Great after the catch ability Understands coverages and how to get open Effective long speed Great beating press (albeit against lesser competition) |
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20% isn't an outlier. It may be a minority, but such a long ways from a discussion about outliers.
Some kids simply don't transfer because of environment and bonds and so forth, not because they don't have the talent. This entire discussion is just flawed. |
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05-26-2022, 08:59 AM | #34 |
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I don't think you can make much of Moore not transferring. Really.
He only played five games his sophomore year, and while he was productive, he wasn't ungodly productive AND it was COVID year AND his team wasn't all that good.
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Veach risked losing him for a 5th round pick. Seems that Veach may not see him as a premier talent in his own right. Again - I've never said that he isn't a good fit for this system. I think he'll be productive here. I just don't think he's this all-world talent he's being painted as. I think he's very clearly a 3rd round sort of talent in an ordinary draft and depending on how these big money WR contracts work out, you may see someone EXACTLY like him in the 3rd next year. He's just a hell of a lot more fungible than is being portrayed around here, IMO. I've seen folks saying he'll be our #1 wideout this year or that in 2-3 years we'll be building our offense around him. Man, if that's the case, we're in trouble. Because that's just not who he is. He's a good complementary weapon. That's a fine use of the pick if he works out. But he's not some heist in the mid-2nd. That's a big ol' chunk of draft capital we used on him.
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The entire discussion is flawed.
Individuals are individuals. the kid will either make it based on his athletic ability, intelligence, and effort, or he will not. You cannot make blanket comparisons based on what school he played at, etc. It's fake pseudo-science. |
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Yet now general trends have no utility at all?
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You may not like him DJ, but every bit of the rest of your argument is significantly flawed to the point of absolute bullshit.
You liked Calvin Austin III. Let's talk about that in the same light. He played in the American Conference which had 84 players in the league last year (4.95%). Not exactly a ringing endorsement. I mean, the Big 12 and Pac 12 both had near double that. The competition in the AAC was pretty bad outside of Cincinnati, which Memphis didn't play this year. While we're at it, how about we talk about the 2-for-shit burgers Austin had against the likes of East Carolina, Navy, and Tulane? Why don't we talk about Austin's size making it a near-insurmountable mountain to establish being a better than below-average WR in the NFL? Only a few (yes, that number less than 5) have ever been Pro-Bowl level or better in the history of the league under 5'9" at WR. I mean, Austin has speed but guys like Isaiah McKenzie have proved that small and fast doesn't necessarily mean anything but small, fast, and not very good. Realistically, McKenzie is a near-perfect physical comparison. Austin carried a 5th round grade through much of the process but was taken in the middle of the 4th. Chances are the Steelers over-drafted him because of lack of options. Does that all sound like a bit much? Does it seem like I'm using unfair references to evaluate your man-crush? Are conference strength, current or past player comps, and the historical significance of size absolute arguments, or should we maybe look at the actual on-field ability and make a more reasonable evaluation and projection? If you're answering yes, then you can see why I and others think your arguments against Skyy Moore sound a bit unsubstantiated. |
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Calvin Austin would fail in a NUMBER of environments. He has a very limited lane for productivity. I simply thought he would be a very good option here as we have proven that we can utilize undersized WRs with high end skills. In a vacuum I would still say he's a high-risk player. I honestly don't think anything you said there is remotely unfair. He's no slam dunk but man I wish we had his skill-set here. And I've said the same thing about Moore - I think he'll produce here. Doesn't mean that scheme won't be a big part of it or that he's some exceptional value in the mid-2nd. Or that he's without the risk associated with small school players and guys who face poor competition. Or who weren't highly recruited coming out of high school. It's all just a collection of data points.
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Take a look at this list and tell me what you notice about it besides the fact that it's all the receivers to every break 10,000 yards in the NFL.
Jerry Rice - Mississippi Valley State Larry Fitzgerald - Pittsburgh Terrell Owens - Tennessee-Chattanooga Randy Moss - Marshall Isaac Bruce - Memphis Tim Brown - Notre Dame Steve Smith - Utah Marvin Harrison - Syracuse Reggie Wayne - Miami Andre Johnson - Miami James Lofton - Stanford Cris Carter - Ohio State Anquan Boldin - Florida State Henry Ellard - Fresno State Torry Holt - North Carolina State Julio Jones - Alabama Andre Reed - Kutztown Steve Largent - Tulsa Irving Fryar - Nebraska Art Monk - Syracuse Brandon Marshall - Central Florida Antonio Brown - Central Michigan Jimmy Smith - Jackson State Charlie Joyner - Grambling Hines Ward - Georgia Derrick Mason - Michigan State Michael Irvin - Miami Don Maynard - Texas-El Paso Calvin Johnson - Georgia Tech Muhsin Muhammad - Michigan State Rod Smith - Missouri Southern State Keenan McCardell - Nevada-Las Vegas DeSean Jackson - California Chad Johnson - Oregon State Joey Galloway - Ohio State Roddy White - Alabama-Birmingham Gary Clark - James Madison Stanley Morgan - Tennessee DeAndre Hopkins - Clemson Keyshawn Johnson - Southern California Harold Jackson - Jackson State Santana Moss - Miami A.J. Green - Georgia Lance Alworth - Arkansas Andre Rison - Michigan State Donald Driver - Alcorn State
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Even the Chiefs weren’t so in love with him or they wouldn’t have risked trading down from the 50th pick to the 54th. The Chiefs probably had two or three WRs that they were satisfied with and just picked who fell to them after they traded down, it just so happened to be Moore. If they were head over heals in love with Moore, no way would they risk losing him.
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Or maybe they didn’t like Pickens and Pierce and felt confident Moore would be there at 54. Who the **** knows. |
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I think they probably liked Moore based on FIT and felt Pickens and Pierce would be the choice for the others based on size. |
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