[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Agreed. Klingon episodes in TNG and DS9 were always some of the best episodes. It was cool to watch what they did with ceremonies, behavior, and ritual. And while they spoke through the universal translator in TNG and DS9, the Klingon words and phrases that did pop up were never annoying or putrid to listen to.

Nearly ever Klingon scene I watch in Discovery tempts me to fall asleep. All of the crazy ****ing lunatic warrior charm of the 24th century Klingons is nowhere to be found.

If that's what they're actually supposed to be like, then **** that alien race. And **** the show, too.

True, but credit that a lot to the writing of those episodes and the guest actors Paramount brought in moreso than to any inherent quality to what you were seeing and hearing on screen.

I hear you on the makeup that is a far departure from both generations of television and the first four sets of feature films, but I think it's a valid reason for the fictional language to have shifted somewhat among incarnations (if that's truly the case: I took that from a redditor comment and reddit is basically the epitome of astroturfing in a lot of ways now).