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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins
You have said yourself that Kelly profiles only as a backup and has been passed by Knizer, and I think it's fair to say that Hudson's peripherals suggest he's more Joe Kelly as a starter than Jack Flaherty. These are the kinds of soon-to-depreciate assets you extract value from before they turn in to Zach Cox.
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I've compared Kelly to Tucker Barnhardt for a long time. I think he'll be a solid starter for somebody but I prefer Knizner. However, he rehabbed his prospect status in AAA and his floor is almost certainly higher than Knizner. I don't think it's out of bounds to say both guys have roughly equal value.
And I dont trust Hudson either - I dont do pitchers with no fastball command. But he is a high pedigree pitcher with a big time season at AAA, 6 years of control and undeniable big league stuff. You cite Joe Kelly, but Kelly is going to get PAID this offseason.
Again, you're talking $40 million in surplus value on those 2 guys based on a reasonable growth model. That's 2 to 3 times what the Cardinals are getting back. And in so doing they're forcing Carpenter to 3b which WILL ruin his shoulder (that joint is clearly compromised). Their silver bullet that they've been waiting 5 years to fire will be a long term contract for an aging slugger that displaces the only other pure hitter they have.
And they'll still be a 90 win team in an environment where the Cubs win 95 despite virtually everything going wrong for them last year.
Our idiot GM will give $40 million in surplus value for an aging slugger who broke out years ago and is approaching FA. A SMART GM would take that package and go hunting for the guy that hasn't broken out yet but is showing signs. He'd use it to get Camargo and then use the freed up money to sign someone who ISNT a 1b and actually fits here.
I agree with trading Hudson and Kelly. I damn sure wouldn't trade them for THAT.