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PAChiefsGuy · 10-15-2018, 07:03 PM

I still don't see our defense's struggles as a scheme failure I see it more as a talent failure. The players on our defense are mostly average to below average players. The only good players we had playing on D last night were Dee Ford and Chris Jones. Everyone else sucked. You really can't scheme around that. The best defenses have good players literally in almost every position along with a few Pro Bowlers. How many Pro Bowlers we have on our defense? If the season ended today probably 0. Maybe Dee Ford would make it.

So it doesn't matter what scheme or DC we have when you can't tackle, you can't cover, the dlineman are getting pushed back 2-3 yds every run play and our best defensive players can't stay healthy. Not to mention because we are so bad at stopping the run piratically every time the Pats did a play action pass our guys bit leaving a WR or Gronk wide open.

Now you can make the claim that the defense may never be good because of our lack of talent but it shouldn't be this bad. And that's up for debate but don't think that a new DC is going to come in here and magically make our defense good or even average if our defensive players continue to get their asses kicked at the defensive line on running plays while the rest of the D can't make a tackle. A large part of tackling is about effort and it's not there right now. Sutton definitely needs to talk to our guys and tell them that effort needs to be picked up big time. I'll never forget how the Chiefs Ds in the 90s would swarm to the ball carrier the minute he touched the ball.

What's killing us is with defense even though it's a pass happy league you still have to be able to stop the run. If you can't do that it's going to make everything else harder. And it all starts upfront when it comes to stopping the run and our dline were pushed back a ridiculous amount against the Patriots and Broncos. Not to mention our ILBs are slow and can't tackle well consistently.

We are allowing 5.4 ypc... That means basically every two carries offenses are getting a first down against us when they run. Luckily we have built some early leads on teams so they haven't been able to run on us as much as they'd probably like to. But expect teams to run on us more and more if they get the chance until we prove we can stop it.

So I'm not going to say Sutton needs to go when our defensive players are getting destroyed in their individual battles.. When he has the talent the D has been good.

And we're 5-1 not 1-5... The D has been horrible but they've still done enough to win 5 out of 6 games. Pats have lit up some very good defenses in the past. What happened last night was unfortunate but it's not like our D got destroyed by some scrub offense.

There's still hope for the D to improve. We've been missing our best defensive player all season and this game we were missing arguably our 2nd best defensive player. Those guys will both be back and with our offense all our defense has to do is not be horrible and we can beat anybody so that's not an unrealistic expectation.

See how they do against the Bengals be another good test.

10-15-2018, 07:03 PM	#1570
PAChiefsGuy Best Body On ChiefsPlanet Join Date: Jan 2014 Casino cash: $2704900	I still don't see our defense's struggles as a scheme failure I see it more as a talent failure. The players on our defense are mostly average to below average players. The only good players we had playing on D last night were Dee Ford and Chris Jones. Everyone else sucked. You really can't scheme around that. The best defenses have good players literally in almost every position along with a few Pro Bowlers. How many Pro Bowlers we have on our defense? If the season ended today probably 0. Maybe Dee Ford would make it. So it doesn't matter what scheme or DC we have when you can't tackle, you can't cover, the dlineman are getting pushed back 2-3 yds every run play and our best defensive players can't stay healthy. Not to mention because we are so bad at stopping the run piratically every time the Pats did a play action pass our guys bit leaving a WR or Gronk wide open. Now you can make the claim that the defense may never be good because of our lack of talent but it shouldn't be this bad. And that's up for debate but don't think that a new DC is going to come in here and magically make our defense good or even average if our defensive players continue to get their asses kicked at the defensive line on running plays while the rest of the D can't make a tackle. A large part of tackling is about effort and it's not there right now. Sutton definitely needs to talk to our guys and tell them that effort needs to be picked up big time. I'll never forget how the Chiefs Ds in the 90s would swarm to the ball carrier the minute he touched the ball. What's killing us is with defense even though it's a pass happy league you still have to be able to stop the run. If you can't do that it's going to make everything else harder. And it all starts upfront when it comes to stopping the run and our dline were pushed back a ridiculous amount against the Patriots and Broncos. Not to mention our ILBs are slow and can't tackle well consistently. We are allowing 5.4 ypc... That means basically every two carries offenses are getting a first down against us when they run. Luckily we have built some early leads on teams so they haven't been able to run on us as much as they'd probably like to. But expect teams to run on us more and more if they get the chance until we prove we can stop it. So I'm not going to say Sutton needs to go when our defensive players are getting destroyed in their individual battles.. When he has the talent the D has been good. And we're 5-1 not 1-5... The D has been horrible but they've still done enough to win 5 out of 6 games. Pats have lit up some very good defenses in the past. What happened last night was unfortunate but it's not like our D got destroyed by some scrub offense. There's still hope for the D to improve. We've been missing our best defensive player all season and this game we were missing arguably our 2nd best defensive player. Those guys will both be back and with our offense all our defense has to do is not be horrible and we can beat anybody so that's not an unrealistic expectation. See how they do against the Bengals be another good test.
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