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King_Chief_Fan 08-24-2019 07:55 PM

Shurmer vs Henne
 
I will take Shurmer as back up, Litton on PS and send Henne packing. Henne is really bad.

Munson 08-24-2019 07:56 PM

Trade Henne to Indy for a high draft pick.

keg in kc 08-24-2019 07:56 PM

No. Gotta keep Henne. PS Shurmer, cut Litton.

Bump 08-24-2019 07:57 PM

Apparently you want the veteran backup, no matter how bad he is.

Hoover 08-24-2019 07:58 PM

Shurmer really has been able to move the offense. I know he doesn't have a big arm, but I like the results he gets.

Bump 08-24-2019 07:59 PM

I like the idea of keeping Shurmur. You might be able to trade him for a draft pick, nobody would want Henne for a draft pick.

BottomShelfBoose 08-24-2019 08:00 PM

I feel something when Shurmur is in. With Henne I feel like straight 3 run plays are incoming.

-King- 08-24-2019 08:01 PM

Keep henne for the quarterback room but play shurmer if we ever need to play a backup

scho63 08-24-2019 08:10 PM

I would like to trade Henne for a 3-4th round pick

TribalElder 08-24-2019 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munson (Post 14407926)
Trade Henne to Indy for a high draft pick.

ROFL this is winning the game

New World Order 08-24-2019 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munson (Post 14407926)
Trade Henne to Indy for a high draft pick.

LMAO

MightyMouse 08-24-2019 08:29 PM

I would absolutely trade Henne to the Colts. The colts would be smart to tank because they have talent and can’t back on track in a few years with a good qb in draft. I don’t think Ballard would do it unless it was a 6th or something. He values his draft picks as much as anyone.
Henne is trash, veteran or not, it’s not like he has the arm that worries defenses. If Mahomes is out it’s going to be RPO’s, screens and running. I would take Shumer because he can run a little as well and he can do all those things I mentioned above almost as well as Henne imo.

Blick 08-24-2019 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 14407927)
No. Gotta keep Henne. PS Shurmer, cut Litton.

Shurmur would probably get snatched off the PS.

keg in kc 08-24-2019 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Blick (Post 14408093)
Shurmur would probably get snatched off the PS.

Possible but I doubt it. But if that's really an issue and you really think Shurmer is a long term NFL backup, then you keep 3 and sacrifice somewhere else on the roster

You still need Henne here for 2019. Mahomes is still (almost) 24 and new to the league. There are still things Henne might see Mahomes isn't familiar with. Things that Shurmer wouldn't recognize yet, either.

Then you let Henne go in the 2020 off-season, and go with Shurmur long term.

And it doesn't really matter how either one of them plays. If Mahomes goes down for more than a game or maybe two at the outside, the team is done. Henne at this point doesn't need to be on the field in the regular season, and Shurmur may not ever be capable of more than holding a clipboard on game day. And that's fine.

JakeF 08-24-2019 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munson (Post 14407926)
Trade Henne to Indy for a high draft pick.

Yep, stick the screws to Indy. ****'em.

Blick 08-24-2019 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 14408127)
Possible but I doubt it. But if that's really an issue and you really think Shurmer is a long term NFL backup, then you keep 3 and sacrifice somewhere else on the roster

You still need Henne here for 2019. Mahomes is still (almost) 24 and new to the league. There are still things Henne might see Mahomes isn't familiar with. Things that Shurmer wouldn't recognize yet, either.

Then you let Henne go in the 2020 off-season, and go with Shurmur long term.

And it doesn't really matter how either one of them plays. If Mahomes goes down for more than a game or maybe two at the outside, the team is done. Henne at this point doesn't need to be on the field in the regular season, and Shurmur may not ever be capable of more than holding a clipboard on game day. And that's fine.

Yeah it'll be interesting to see what they do. I'm a fan of the veteran backup situation.

I think Shurmur would get picked up based on name alone. Not just a coach's son, but an NFL coach's son. Super smart kid, went to Vanderbilt, tough kid from the SEC. Teams eat that shit up.

tx4chiefs 08-24-2019 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 14407927)
No. Gotta keep Henne. PS Shurmer, cut Litton.

Agree with this.

keg in kc 08-24-2019 09:06 PM

It is nice to be talking about this and not, you know, Matt McGloin.

DJ's left nut 08-24-2019 09:11 PM

Shurmer is ****ing TERRIBLE.

How are there people that don't see this?

BigCatDaddy 08-24-2019 09:22 PM

All 3 backups are shit.

BryanBusby 08-24-2019 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 14407927)
No. Gotta keep Henne. PS Shurmer, cut Litton.

Cut them both. (at least) One of them will be sitting on the couch if they need to add a QB.

philfree 08-24-2019 09:30 PM

Roll with the young guys.

threebag 08-24-2019 09:33 PM

Henne needs to be packing his shit when he gets home and wait for his itinerary

Jewish Rabbi 08-24-2019 09:34 PM

I mean, if either of them see the field we’re ****ed anyway, so what difference does it make?

oldman 08-24-2019 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 14408256)
I mean, if either of them see the field we’re ****ed anyway, so what difference does it make?

Pretty much this. I hear the opinion about a vet backing PMII and we might even win a couple games with him, but he's history after this year. I had high hopes for Litton, but clearly he's in the #4 spot right now. Maybe it's time to roll the dice to get a long term #2 with Shurmer. We've had worst starting QBs.

carcosa 08-25-2019 02:40 AM

Matt Cassel is still available!!!!!!

rabblerouser 08-25-2019 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munson (Post 14407926)
Trade Henne to Indy for a high draft pick.

No way they'd do it...but they ARE pretty deep at safety...I'd trade Henne for a 6th rounder and a pack of chewing gum though.

**** Henne, he makes WAY too much to suck that hard.

rabblerouser 08-25-2019 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 14408474)
Matt Cassel is still available!!!!!!

And here I thought you seemed nice...

TwistedChief 08-25-2019 08:19 AM

I like Schurmur too but no interest in having him with virtually no experience as our primary backup in a season where we're expected to win the Super Bowl.

Henne is gone after this year. Throw Schurmur on the PS and hope he shows enough to earn the back-up job next season. Otherwise, sign another experienced journeyman and continue to try to develop a cheaper option.

Buehler445 08-25-2019 09:42 AM

Keep Litton. If Mahomes goes down send everyone on go routes and sling it.

displacedinMN 08-25-2019 09:58 AM

should have a poll

Red Dawg 08-25-2019 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 14408224)
All 3 backups are shit.

I agree. All 3 show no hope.

TrebMaxx 08-25-2019 04:46 PM

I'm in the "Please God don't let PM2 get hurt" club.

chiefzilla1501 08-25-2019 04:54 PM

Not crazy about Henne. But if we lose mahomes for the year, Id want Lytton or shurmur to get a shot since the season is over. If we lose him for 2 games, not sure I trust them to steal a win or two as much as I'd trust Henne

BigCatDaddy 08-25-2019 06:08 PM

I'd like to see Daniel back on a 2 for 8-10 type deal next year. He might be able to keep us in it if Mahomes is down for a month or so.

ROYC75 08-25-2019 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 14409264)
I'd like to see Daniel back on a 2 for 8-10 type deal next year. He might be able to keep us in it if Mahomes is down for a month or so.

Uh, no. He sucks, probably on tbe way out of Chicago.

Shumur hasn't earned the roster spot IMHO. But I'm willing to keep him @ #3. Keep Litton, has the big arm since we have the horses at the WR spot.

Let Henne walk. Our QB coach & Andy can keep PM2 in check.

rabblerouser 08-25-2019 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 14408576)
I like Schurmur too but no interest in having him with virtually no experience as our primary backup in a season where we're expected to win the Super Bowl.

Henne is gone after this year. Throw Schurmur on the PS and hope he shows enough to earn the back-up job next season. Otherwise, sign another experienced journeyman and continue to try to develop a cheaper option.

I don't think Shurmer makes it past waivers...

He's at least as good as Henne, and way cheaper.

Henne CAN'T be that valuable in the film room...can he?

rabblerouser 08-25-2019 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 14409365)
Uh, no. He sucks, probably on tbe way out of Chicago.

Shumur hasn't earned the roster spot IMHO. But I'm willing to keep him @ #3. Keep Litton, has the big arm since we have the horses at the WR spot.

Let Henne walk. Our QB coach & Andy can keep PM2 in check.

Agree with all of this.

DJ's left nut 08-26-2019 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14409542)
I don't think Shurmer makes it past waivers...

He's at least as good as Henne, and way cheaper.

Henne CAN'T be that valuable in the film room...can he?

Shurmer shouldn't even make the practice squad. He most assuredly isn't as good as Henne - and that's not to say Henne is actually good.

Shurmer is like taking Alex Smith and turning all his sliders down to 50%. He would make Nate Peterman look like a Pro Bowler.

JimNasium 08-26-2019 08:32 AM

I’d be shocked if they gave Henne walking papers. Andy loves him a vet in the QB room.

Mecca 08-26-2019 08:34 AM

Henne will be here this year, then he'll walk as we save money and yes Kyle Schurmer is likely to be a long term cheap backup option.

MahiMike 08-26-2019 08:44 AM

I've been watching henne on the Jags and chiefs for too many years. He needs to Andrew luck himself.

ChiefoftheKeyboard 08-26-2019 09:18 AM

Shurmur in the qb room could be more valuable since the systems he has played in are more similar to what mahomes has done, vs henne playing in the more of the old nfl. I say cut Henne, keep shurmur, practice squad litton. Shurmur is also a coaches son, could act older in the qb room than he is.

oldman 08-26-2019 09:21 AM

I don't think Shurmur makes it past waivers either, so now you have to put him on the 53 if you want to keep him. That said, I like Litton better just because he has the big arm like Mahomes and we could keep our vertical game in place. All the speed in your WR corps doesn't mean diddly if your QB can't throw it more than 25 yards. However, it appears Andy likes Kyle better.
Either way, we're going to have to look at a new #2 next year. I just can't Henne brought back and other vet QBs are in short supply. Fitzpatrick, Bridgewater, or a host of other brokedicks?? No thanks. So do you roll the dice and go with Kyle or Chase and hope the MVP doesn't go down? Face it, it doesn't matter who you have in that #2 spot this year to reach our ultimate goal, a SB win.

Line Judge 08-26-2019 09:33 AM

For what it is worth Litton is ahead of Shurmur on the latest depth chart.

O.city 08-26-2019 09:39 AM

Henne fractured his ankle, will be having surgery.

So, probably need to figure that out.

Mecca 08-26-2019 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Line Judge (Post 14410012)
For what it is worth Litton is ahead of Shurmur on the latest depth chart.

Yea Darwin Thompson is still 4th too...cause it doesn't matter lol.

FloridaMan88 08-26-2019 11:30 AM

Looks like the Chiefs are signing Matt Moore with Henne's injury.

Ribbs67 08-26-2019 12:58 PM

Well you can close this thread and open a new Matt Moore vs. Shurmer thread...lol

King_Chief_Fan 08-26-2019 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ribbs67 (Post 14410441)
Well you can close this thread and open a new Matt Moore vs. Shurmer thread...lol

it would read the same...dump moore

Titty Meat 08-26-2019 02:35 PM

Matt Moore is a decent QB

WhiteWhale 08-26-2019 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14408207)
Shurmer is ****ing TERRIBLE.

How are there people that don't see this?

He looks awful to me.

Oxford 08-26-2019 02:38 PM

Why the Schurmer love here? He doesn't have an NFL arm, so to keep him as a development QB makes no sense. Litton has the arm, I like what he showed last year in preseason. Now if Litton can be traded thats another story. Maybe someone comes available and you cut them both.

Bump 08-26-2019 03:39 PM

so Matt Moore is our backup now


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