That just means that we need to make "stealth bombers, predator drones, tanks, nuclear weapons and all the other knicknacks James Madison and Co. couldn’t envision when ratifying the Bill of Rights in 1791" more readily available to the general public. One of the biggest problems in the country is that the government no longer fears its people.

It's like he doesn't even know that a goat herder in the middle east not only evaded those Stealth Bombers for decades but did so while directing several successful attacks on this government and it's allies.

Sounds like Whitlock's primary concern is not with people owning guns, but an irresponsible, "gangsta, hip hop culture" that fetishes guns. I suppose if you hear enough stories about young black adults getting shot and killed, it hits home.

This board is made up of people from the midwest, where guns are for primarily for hobby (even before self defense). It's a completely different culture in poor, urban areas. They don't get guns because they want to hunt. And the NRA is completely fine with that sacrifice of young, colored males.

No.

but but but, I don't understand. Haven't you ever been really mad at someone?

Agreed, so easy to shit on one persons opinion

Or he could have grabbed a kitchen knife and gone OJ on her too. Crazy sometimes can be hard to predict.

I agree that if guns didn't exist we'd probably have fewer dead people today...probably less than people think but likely fewer. The problem is that it's also true that if we didn't have cars we'd also have fewer dead people today.

No one needs a car, build out the public transportation some and people could get around without them. But personally I think that would suck, sometimes you want the freedom of running on your own schedule and personally I enjoy just driving at times.

The point I'm trying to bring up is that often we will apply harsh standards to things that we don't approve of, but then not apply those same standards to things that we do like. To be fair we have to apply the same standards to everything whether we like it or not.

If banning firearms is an appropriate response to preventing unnecessary firearm deaths then why is banning cars not an appropriate response to preventing unnecessary automobile deaths? I know people will say it's crazy to even think of banning cars, but is it really that different?

No matter how many point JW makes that are valid and how may on the other side of the isle that are just as valid, the truth is we're enabling him. Perhaps that's good, perhaps it's not.

But I will say this, I agree with some of his points, but to call O’Reilly an entertainer and not admit he's just the same, well that's where he's duping people. He's just like O’Reilly, he just has a different opinion than O’Reilly.

Yeah, we discussed that at the last meeting. Sacrificing young, colored males came right after the pipe bomb workshop. Then we broke for lunch and in the afternoon shot up a grade school in a poor Mexican neighborhood. :drool:

Actually that's not entirely true, people in urban areas do get guns to hunt...they just often are hunting an entirely different type of game.

I grew up in KS but I'm on the west coast for now and one of the things that has always shocked me is how afraid people are of guns out here. I grew up with them and to me they are no big deal. To be respected yes...to be feared no. But out here people just see them and immediate think they should call the cops. People are taught to fear guns and that is a sad thing.

The sad truth is that law abiding citizens in shitty urban neighborhoods are the ones who should be lining up to join the NRA.

I think Literature was having a little fun with us.

jwhit is our bud. He backed us now it's our turn.

THIS!