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DJ's left nut 11-27-2018 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13915960)
Have you honestly watched him play the past two seasons? One dimensional? Kid has been one of the top 3 FSs in the league the past two years. I'm not sure how you can claim this, at all really.

Carolina cut him because he was an indifferent tackler. His market was so robust he took essentially the veterans minimum just to find a job in SD. He had a good season and was among my favored safety targets but because I felt he was a viable coverage safety and a nice replacement for what Parker was supposed to be.

And even after SD let him go, he had to take deal that gives him about 1/4 of a relatively replaceable guy like Jaquiski Tartt was able to get. Special teamers like Nate Ebner were getting better contracts; washed up veterans like Michael Thomas were getting better deals. Former undrafted FAs who aren't even starters and are on the way out of the league like Rontez Miles were getting better offers.

The market clearly didn't value the guy and there's a reason for that. He's a nice player but you're talking about making him one of the highest paid safeties in the league. No way - that's way high.

Target him, sure. See if 2/$10 gets it done. 4/31, even knowing the final year is almost certainly fluff, ends up being 3/$23 under your structure and that's just not a level I'm willing to go to. If for no other reason than the safety market will probably do the same thing next year. There's always a guy who's market doesn't come together; a Damarious Randall type. Find one of those who you can get on a 2 year deal; don't pay a guy who will have then been let go by 3 different teams to a long-term deal at a fairly significant figure.

kccrow 11-27-2018 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13916770)
Carolina cut him because he was an indifferent tackler. His market was so robust he took essentially the veterans minimum just to find a job in SD. He had a good season and was among my favored safety targets but because I felt he was a viable coverage safety and a nice replacement for what Parker was supposed to be.

And even after SD let him go, he had to take deal that gives him about 1/4 of a relatively replaceable guy like Jaquiski Tartt was able to get. Special teamers like Nate Ebner were getting better contracts; washed up veterans like Michael Thomas were getting better deals. Former undrafted FAs who aren't even starters and are on the way out of the league like Rontez Miles were getting better offers.

The market clearly didn't value the guy and there's a reason for that. He's a nice player but you're talking about making him one of the highest paid safeties in the league. No way - that's way high.

Target him, sure. See if 2/$10 gets it done. 4/31, even knowing the final year is almost certainly fluff, ends up being 3/$23 under your structure and that's just not a level I'm willing to go to. If for no other reason than the safety market will probably do the same thing next year. There's always a guy who's market doesn't come together; a Damarious Randall type. Find one of those who you can get on a 2 year deal; don't pay a guy who will have then been let go by 3 different teams to a long-term deal at a fairly significant figure.

The market hasn't valued safeties much for the past couple of seasons, but I'm willing to bet it flares up again after this season. Guys that can cover and play single high, which he's very good at, are a premium. Basing a guy's play ability on the market conditions is silly. Say he's not going to get that kind of contract because of the market and I might agree. You said he sucks dick, basically, and that simply isn't true. He's not one-dimensional and he's an asset to the Cards. Hell, their media outlets were pissing and moaning when he went out with a short-term injury.

DJ's left nut 11-27-2018 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13917222)
The market hasn't valued safeties much for the past couple of seasons, but I'm willing to bet it flares up again after this season. Guys that can cover and play single high, which he's very good at, are a premium. Basing a guy's play ability on the market conditions is silly. Say he's not going to get that kind of contract because of the market and I might agree. You said he sucks dick, basically, and that simply isn't true. He's not one-dimensional and he's an asset to the Cards. Hell, their media outlets were pissing and moaning when he went out with a short-term injury.

I didn't say he sucks dick. At all.

I said he's one dimensional. Hes a single high coverage safety. I defended 'Peak Parker' for years from guys who said he sucked because he couldn't tackle well. That wasn't his primary function. He played single high well and that made him valuable.

But he was absolutely one dimensional. Tre Boston is the same kind of player Parker was before his wheels came off; valuable but flawed.

I'm not giving that kind of money to a coverage safety.

ntexascardfan 12-02-2018 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13911082)
I like Oruwariye as well but I do still question his speed. His length seems to bail him out alot at the college level.

I'm curious for more from you about Boyd. I never got the sense that he was anywhere near as immature as Peters. I know he has some issues but I'd love to know if there's more that I'm not seeing there. He is aggressive, but he seems to constantly get better. I don't watch him every single game though like you. Is it aggressiveness getting him torched at times or is it failure to recognize double-moves, etc? One is learning the game better and the other is learning self-control. Do you perceive him as one that can do either? Give me more man.


If you watched the Big XII championship game yesterday I think you got Boyd in a nutshell.

He shuts down average receivers, but has been eaten alive all season by NFL types.

I think a better adjective than aggressive would be reckless. He's an athletic player who will give you great plays, but a lot of bonehead mixed in. He doesn't have a high enough football IQ and instinct to be worthy of a first round pick.

ntexascardfan 12-16-2018 04:37 PM

From a Longhorns site I subscribe to, here is what an agent had to say about Boyd. (Boyd has accepted his senior bowl invite since this was published)

It is "idiotic" that CB Kris Boyd has been invited to the Senior Bowl, but, has yet to accept the invitation. This agent is not going after Boyd (did not specify why), but has done work on him and says that he is not a player with high enough draft stock to forego such an opportunity. He said that maybe he already has an agent in mind to sign with who is giving him awful advice, or maybe he is just waiting to sign with an agent before officially accepting the offer, so as not commit to anything he'll have to back out of later.

The fact is, though, he is not seen as an elite prospect at this time and could really help himself with a good week in Mobile. He needs to accept the invitation before new Senior Bowl director Jim Nagy gives his spot to someone else. Boyd should feel like he has a lot to prove after a very disappointing end to his senior season at Texas based on bad individual performances in high-visibility matchups. Here's hoping he accepts the offer any day now, and will be joining teammate Charles Omenihu for the showcase of a lifetime in front of literally every important NFL decision-maker.

ntexascardfan 12-16-2018 04:39 PM

Though, I think Gary Johnson could be a good late round pick for us.

- LB Gary Johnson is not a guy this agent is after, but he said he wishes he would have tried to get in on him earlier and be in the running. "It's too late at this point" to start trying to court these guys, he said. Teams don't currently know what to make of Johnson's size and see him as a tweener or possibly dime linebacker. (As an aside, this is the reason I thought he would be an excellent All-Star game option -- the All-Star games always feature players of intrigue and cross-positional versatility for teams to see how they might be best utilized through an entire week of practice). But with his speed and nose for the football, "you know he can be a special teams ace" at the least. This aspect of Johnson's game make him appealing as a potential client, because even fringe-prospects at positions like LB stand so much greater a chance at making a 53-man roster by being important in the special teams phase.


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