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Tombstone RJ 03-18-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10499936)
Equations:

God plus spark = universe

spark = universe

that's not elaborating, it's a cop-out. What caused the spark?

crazycoffey 03-18-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 10499775)
They don't conflict.

Evolution conflicts with a literal interpretation of the bible, not the idea of god itself.

Devils advocate still, not arguing I believe one way or the other. Some people think when you close your eyes for the final time, you either see a light or nothing. I can't speak to which one happens, in my experience the only thing I can control is how many people come to my funeral and if they'll be cheering or crying.

But

The first line of the old testament /Judao-Christian-Muslim bible, "In the beginning, god created the heavens and earth". The OP seems to suggest or prove even, that first sentence took longer to read than the actual creation or beginning, of time and space.

This science is following the bible pretty close. And we're not even including any other religions.

Dunerdr 03-18-2014 11:00 AM

Right behind that ripple is the first time we got ****ed by the broncos

Dave Lane 03-18-2014 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 10499946)
that's not elaborating, it's a cop-out. What caused the spark?

Who said there is a cause?

Three7s 03-18-2014 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 10499946)
that's not elaborating, it's a cop-out. What caused the spark?

And that's one of the most common cop outs that most Aetheists have against the belief of God and creation. Why does God have to be created, again?

Dave Lane 03-18-2014 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10499974)
And that's one of the most common cop outs that most Aetheists have against the belief of God and creation. Why does God have to be created, again?

Why does the universe have to be created, again?

Messier 03-18-2014 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10499971)
Who said there is a cause?

Eh. You start getting into tangled philosophical arguments. Why is there something instead of nothing? Why is there life instead of no life? Again, we're talking belief here. If one believes god created the universe, you can't tell them they're wrong.

Dave Lane 03-18-2014 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10499994)
Eh. You start getting into tangled philosophical arguments. Why is there something instead of nothing? Why is there life instead of no life? Again, we're talking belief here. If one believes god created the universe, you can't tell them they're wrong.

If they are going to post things that are explained by supernatural forces I feel inclined to explain with natural forces. Maybe its a character flaw, but really its very simple to just reverse the argument and ask if the universe is not eternal why is god? If the answer is "cuz I believe that" then that my answer is as well.

Hog's Gone Fishin 03-18-2014 11:20 AM

I call bullshit.

And whoever thinks the universe just goes on forever is an idiot !

Dave Lane 03-18-2014 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 10500016)
I call bullshit.

And whoever thinks the universe just goes on forever is an idiot !

In your opinion do you fall off the edge?

http://www.redefiningthesacred.com/i...lloffworld.jpg

ping2000 03-18-2014 11:25 AM

Can we get a universe created where the Chiefs win another Super Bowl and the Broncos go 0-16 every year?

Hog's Gone Fishin 03-18-2014 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10500027)
In your opinion do you fall off the edge?

http://www.redefiningthesacred.com/i...lloffworld.jpg

No you idiot. Everyone knows theres no gravity out there!

Messier 03-18-2014 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10500027)
In your opinion do you fall off the edge?

http://www.redefiningthesacred.com/i...lloffworld.jpg

Do you believe in the multiverse?

Dave Lane 03-18-2014 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10500038)
Do you believe in the multiverse?

Probably. There is some photographic evidence that supports it. I can't imagine this is the only universe. I'm kind of partial to the bubble multiverse.

Bubble Universes

In addition to the multiple universes created by infinitely extending space-time, other universes could arise from a theory called "eternal inflation." Inflation is the notion that the universe expanded rapidly after the Big Bang, in effect inflating like a balloon. Eternal inflation, first proposed by Tufts University cosmologist Alexander Vilenkin, suggests that some pockets of space stop inflating, while other regions continue to inflate, thus giving rise to many isolated "bubble universes."

Thus, our own universe, where inflation has ended, allowing stars and galaxies to form, is but a small bubble in a vast sea of space, some of which is still inflating, that contains many other bubbles like ours. And in some of these bubble universes, the laws of physics and fundamental constants might be different than in ours, making some universes strange places indeed.

http://i.space.com/images/i/000/024/...jpg?1354898128

Dave Lane 03-18-2014 11:38 AM

And now we are back on topic :)


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