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crazycoffey 03-18-2014 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 10499439)
They represent two different methods of answering two different questions using the same set of data.

I thought there was only one question "how "

Tribal Warfare 03-18-2014 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey (Post 10499480)
I thought there was only one question "how "

and when

Dave Lane 03-18-2014 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dick Bull (Post 10499456)
It boils down to religion revolving around God being perfect. If God was perfect then there's no need for evolution because it would have been done right the first time.

Like you I don't see the big deal either. God made creatures capable of evolving as the situations evolve. Seems pretty perfect to me.

Take out God from the equation and you have a much easier equation.

Dave Lane 03-18-2014 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleThreat (Post 10499446)
So what made the tiny speck that created the universe? Where did it come from? Haha

So what made that god that created the universe? Where did he come from? Haha

Messier 03-18-2014 07:41 AM

Never understood why science had to be an either or proposition for the existence of god. I believe in evolution, and god, and never felt conflicted. There will most likely never be proof either way, let believers believe, and unbelievers not.

Three7s 03-18-2014 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10499587)
So what made that god that created the universe? Where did he come from? Haha

Alpha and Omega?

ActiveShooter 03-18-2014 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10499344)
Yes I am thoroughly amazed and even more convinced that God created all of this and in no way could all this have evolved from primordial slime.;)

This

Tombstone RJ 03-18-2014 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10499584)
Take out God from the equation and you have a much easier equation.

no, you don't.

ActiveShooter 03-18-2014 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10499587)
So what made that god that created the universe? Where did he come from? Haha

When the time is right, you can ask Satan. Hahaha

Dave Lane 03-18-2014 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 10499674)
no, you don't.

Yes you do.

WhiteWhale 03-18-2014 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10499602)
Never understood why science had to be an either or proposition for the existence of god. I believe in evolution, and god, and never felt conflicted. There will most likely never be proof either way, let believers believe, and unbelievers not.

They don't conflict.

Evolution conflicts with a literal interpretation of the bible, not the idea of god itself.

Messier 03-18-2014 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 10499775)
They don't conflict.

Evolution conflicts with a literal interpretation of the bible, not the idea of god itself.

The conflict was created by young earth creationists and fundamentalists. They attack science, not the other way around. Science is agnostic.

Science explains the natural world.

crazycoffey 03-18-2014 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10499587)
So what made that god that created the universe? Where did he come from? Haha

The article even points out the obvious "scientists still don't know who kicked the ball".

I would also like to point out I'm playing devils advocate on this, not trying to convince anyone the existance or non-existance of anything.

But when you rally simplify the entire arguement, science says creation happened basically by chance; while religion points more toward a designed /planned event. As far as I know it could be either. The Big Bang theory could have just been a random gas explosion, or a designed gas explosion. the findings mentioned in the OP are not proving / denying the nature to the primal question, "why".

Tombstone RJ 03-18-2014 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10499695)
Yes you do.

please elaborate.

Dave Lane 03-18-2014 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 10499932)
please elaborate.

Equations:

God plus spark = universe

spark = universe


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