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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14842482)

And that's why 32 teams should be THANKING THE GOOD LORD that you're not their damn GM :) . We just won the SB with no great CB's, LB's or guards!!..so I really don't know why folks are so obsessed with those positions but then run down the need for a competent running game. Swift might very well be there for us at 32 and IF Veach takes him I'd be more than happy with that choice and why? Because he's a damn good player who could start first day, that's why.

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14842566)

and no great RB. So what's your point exactly?

No in the first. Probably not in the second. Third? Yeah, okay.

Cam Akers in the third over any available RB at 32. LB/CB or CB/LB almost will provide better long and shoddy term results than RB at 32 and whatever follows. If Akers is gone, WR/IOL round 3.

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Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 14842810)

You are clueless aren't you? Probably "obsessed" with those positions because there are 2 CBs under contract for next season. Are you forgetting Breeland and Fuller are free agents? Also because there is so much more value likely in those positions than RB st 32.

Cam Akers in the third over any available RB at 32. LB/CB or CB/LB almost will provide better long and shoddy term results than RB at 32 and whatever follows. If Akers is gone, WR/IOL round 3.

So we can't get a cb In the second round? Smh no-one is saying don't address the cb position...all I'm saying is don't act like we need Jalen Ramsey to win...because we just proved we don't.

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14842566)

and no great RB. So what's your point exactly?

No in the first. Probably not in the second. Third? Yeah, okay.

Oh look..a mere mention of taking a RB early and the famous RB hater makes a sharp appearance...what a surprise ROFL

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Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 14842346)

Hard pass. With major holes at CB (and only 2 under contract), LB and IOL I would pass on Sweetness, Barry Sanders, Dickerson, et al at the end of the first round. It makes zero sense taking a RB round 1.

If this was true, the Chiefs would not have brought him in for a look. Developing a solid running game would take the pressure off Mahomes and make the offense even more dominant.

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14847366)

If this was true, the Chiefs would not have brought him in for a look. Developing a solid running game would take the pressure off Mahomes and make the offense even more dominant.

EXACTLY!!!..but naive fools would rather stack the backfield with average talent and put everything in Pat's hands instead of giving the kid a decent run game so our offense can be great across the board SMH :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14843370)

Oh look..a mere mention of taking a RB early and the famous RB hater makes a sharp appearance...what a surprise ROFL

no, you just way overvalue the position as if it's 1975. It's not.

I'd take Akers in the 3rd.

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14847640)

no, you just way overvalue the position as if it's 1975. It's not.

I'd take Akers in the 3rd.

Ok well done i agree with you for once re Akers :evil:

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14847423)

Here's the deal, although you have an emotional attachment to an idea in your head and won't hear logic, so I'm not sure why I bother.

1) The running game suffered due to inferior interior offensive line play. This is the primary reason for the lower ypc this year. You can see as we got deep into the season and the play-offs, the numbers went up as Wiz went in, Fisher was back and healthy, etc. We need to continue to rebuild the offensive line to protect Patrick. Being effective on the ground will do that too; but if your line sucks your running game sucks. Period. I'd rather draft a killer OG or OC than a RB early. Their careers are twice as long, for starters.

2) Damien Williams was also playing at less than healthy most of the season. I would like to continue to draft and develop competition at the position, but it's nowhere near being our biggest hole. OC, LG, LB, CB are all positions in which we are weaker in terms of possibly LOSING games due lack of talent. We're not going to LOSE a game because of Damien Williams. We might if we have no corners other than Ward and Fenton. We might due to shit offensive line play. See what I mean? No, probably not.

3) We've done just fine with RB's in the mid rounds. In fact, most of the league has. It's not QB. Every year, stud RB's are found in the 3rd. Kamara, Kareem Hunt, Jamaal Charles, etc, etc, etc. You do not need to draft one super early. You just don't.

4) Your own logic is and has been used against you; and you don't seem to get it. "We won the SB without star CB's!", yeah well, we won the SB with Damien Williams. "WE NEED A 1st ROUND RB!" Do you not get that? Nah, you don't. You have an emotional need to see one RB get all the carries so you can see 100 yds on the stat sheet. It comforts you. The game has changed, man.

5) I don't hate RB's. They're useful contributors. But spending a bunch of free agent money OR high draft pick capital on one is not a smart allocation of resources.

It's a chicken and the egg question.

Does your running game suck because your running backs suck?

Or does your running game suck because your offensive line sucks?

Leveon Bell looked like a hall of famer in Pittsburgh.

He looked like a slow, plodding, piece of shit in New York.

I wonder why?

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14847684)

People say a lot too that a good running game helps the passing game, but I'm almost certain its the reverse. A great passing game opens up running lanes.

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Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 14852685)

People say a lot too that a good running game helps the passing game, but I'm almost certain its the reverse. A great passing game opens up running lanes.

Between the 20's the Chiefs were elite, but in the redzone a great running game is necessary because of the shortened field. The passing game is at a disadvantage inside the redzone becauseof space limit makes it easier for the opposition to cut off routes.

You never want to make it more difficult for the Franchise QB to succeed, and last season's redzone offense was average in comparison what they had with Kareem it's an asset that shouldn't be taken for granted.

Though my reasoning for IOL and a feature RB is to protect the PMII investment. Anything to keep him relatively healthy through the season and not always depending on him to be Superman because doesn't have said option at his disposal. Kareem was a big part of the MNF comeback against the Broncos.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LSU?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LSU</a> OT Saahdiq Charles has been busy.<br><br>Combine formals: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Redskins?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Redskins</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Patriots</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Packers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Packers</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Vikings?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Vikings</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Eagles?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Eagles</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dolphins?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dolphins</a>.<br><br>He had a private visit w/ the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Eagles?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Eagles</a> on Mar 12.<br><br>Other sked private visits impacted by COVID-19: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bears?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bears</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Packers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Packers</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Redskins?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Redskins</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Patriots</a>.</p>— Justin M (@JustinM_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinM_NFL/status/1240008539025833990?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CB Javaris Davis (<a href="https://twitter.com/javariusdavis1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@javariusdavis1</a>) ran a 4.39 on a tight hamstring & has been popular.<br><br>Combine formals: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Colts</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cowboys?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cowboys</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Giants?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Giants</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Falcons?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Falcons</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rams?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Rams</a>.<br><br>Private workout w/ the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bengals?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bengals</a>. COVID-19 ex'd out mtgs w/ the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jets?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jets</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dolphins?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dolphins</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Patriots</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Lions?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Lions</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ravens?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ravens</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a></p>— Justin M (@JustinM_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinM_NFL/status/1240053050846384138?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LSU?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LSU</a> OG Damien Lewis has held pre-draft FaceTime meetings with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Colts</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Patriots</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardinals</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bears?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bears</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jets?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jets</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Buccaneers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Buccaneers</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a><br>recently. He has one coming up w/ the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dolphins?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dolphins</a> shortly.</p>— Justin M (@JustinM_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinM_NFL/status/1243657676334272515?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 14852832)

well, in Andy Reid's style of offensive line play, we're never going to be great at straight ahead power running. It's not the type of offensive line skills he looks for. It's the price we pay for all the explosiveness between the 20's. All that trap, pull, misdirection stuff is designed to open big holes by forcing the defense to make mistakes. That closes down in short yardage and goal-line. I don't know about you, but while I find that frustrating, I think the trade-off is worth it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I interviewed <a href="https://twitter.com/UMichFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UMichFootball</a> EDGE Josh Uche (<a href="https://twitter.com/_Uche35?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@_Uche35</a>) for <a href="https://twitter.com/TheDraftWire?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheDraftWire</a>. He's one of my favorite players in this draft. He's met w/ the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Titans?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Titans</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ravens?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ravens</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> & several others.<a href="https://t.co/CEYdOl23w3">https://t.co/CEYdOl23w3</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLDraft?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLDraft</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoBlue?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoBlue</a></p>— Justin M (@JustinM_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinM_NFL/status/1244756373390471168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>