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Hammock Parties 11-22-2012 12:03 PM

Matt Barkley doesn't resemble elite quarterback prospect in 2012
 
Fatality.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...rback-prospect

Quote:

When Matt Barkley returned to USC for his senior year, it was likely with visions of bagging a national championship and the Heisman Trophy before entering the NFL as the No. 1 pick in next April's draft. However, Barkley's subpar performance in this disappointing season that has ensued is threatening to send him plummeting down draft boards across the league.

The Trojans are sitting at 7-4 with just one game remaining in the regular season, and USC is out of contention in the Pac-12 race. Barkley doesn't have a chance of winning college's top individual prize, either, with playmakers like Kansas State QB Collin Klein, Texas A&M QB Johnny Manziel and Notre Dame LB Manti Te'o emerging as the main contenders.

Now, it is important to note that Barkley was not a lock to be a top-10 pick a season ago. In fact, scouts told me last spring that Barkley wasn't a cinch to be the third quarterback in the 2012 draft class, despite having a more impressive collegiate résumé than Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill (who went to the Miami Dolphins with the eighth overall pick) and Oklahoma State's Brandon Weeden (drafted by the Cleveland Browns at 22nd overall). Evaluators cited Barkley's lack of elite physical tools (height, arm talent and athleticism) as major concerns. Although Barkley was listed at 6-foot-2, 230 pounds, scouts questioned whether he was tall enough to play the position at the next level, and worried that his lack of athleticism would make him a sitting duck in the pocket.

Scouts also worried about Barkley's lack of elite arm strength. Although he displayed the capacity to make short and intermediate throws with zip and velocity, he didn't blow evaluators away with his deep-ball range, accuracy or touch. Barkley routinely underthrew his receivers on vertical throws, relying on Marqise Lee and Robert Woods to make plays on the ball. Both playmakers are regarded as future elite NFL prospects; some wonder if Barkley's production is a byproduct of their remarkable skills.

With so many questions surrounding him, Barkley decided another year at the collegiate level would help him refine his game and make him a polished quarterback worthy of being selected at the top of the draft.

I've watched Barkley perform throughout his senior season. Here is my assessment of his game and whether he has a legitimate shot at hearing his name called first on draft day:

Arm talent

Barkley is a classic drop-back passer with sound throwing mechanics and a smooth delivery. He shows a compact windup and an over-the-top throwing motion with a quick release. Barkley displays good (but not great) arm strength on intermediate and deep throws. Although his balls tend to flutter on out-breaking routes that are longer than 15 yards, he shows adequate zip and velocity on his throws. Barkley can certainly fit balls into tight windows on intermediate throws inside the numbers, but he lacks the overpowering arm strength to complete the deep comeback from the opposite hash on a rope against tight coverage. The exceptional speed and quickness of NFL defensive backs will result in break-ups or interceptions, unless Barkley shows extraordinary timing and anticipation, releasing the ball well before the receiver comes out of his break.

On deep throws, Barkley shows a throwing range of about 50 to 55 yards. He has routinely connected with Lee and Nelson Agholor on vertical routes down the field. While most of those completions have resulted from his exceptional timing and anticipation, Barkley has shown the arm strength to throw the ball over the top of the defense when defenders squat on routes. This was particularly evident against Oregon on Nov. 3, when he connected on 75- and 76-yard touchdowns on deep post routes to Lee and Agholor, respectively. In my mind, these throws certainly squelched some of the concern about his deep-ball ability. However, the fallout from "Inflate Gate" could alter that opinion. (A USC ball boy was reprimanded following that game for deflating footballs, which he later admitted to doing; the use of underinflated balls makes it easier for quarterbacks to throw the ball down the field with greater zip and velocity.)

With the arm talent to make most of the throws at the next level, Barkley shouldn't have a problem succeeding as a starting quarterback, if he plays to his strengths.

Mobility

Barkley is not the kind of explosive athlete who can beat defenders with his legs on the perimeter. However, he flashes enough mobility and movement skills to be effective within the pocket. Barkley will routinely climb the pocket to avoid penetrating rushers, and his efficient footwork allows him to make accurate throws under duress. When the pocket completely crumbles, Barkley will attempt to escape, but he lacks the speed and quickness to run away from defenders on the perimeter.

As a passer on the move, Barkley is nimble enough to make accurate throws on bootlegs and rollouts. He shows the ability to deliver on the run without losing balance, which would allow him to make the most of the movement-based throws in West Coast offensive systems. Given the fact that Houston Texans quarterback Matt Schaub and Oakland Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer have succeeded in passing games that feature extensive movement in the backfield, Barkley's athleticism shouldn't impact his ability to start in most systems.

Game management

Barkley will enter the NFL with 47 games of starting experience at the major college level. The wealth of knowledge accumulated in those contests will ease Barkley's transition to the pro game, and allow him to quickly adjust to the speed and complexity of NFL defenses. Looking at Barkley's career arc, I've been impressed with the way that he manages the game at the line of scrimmage. He has been exposed to hot reads and sight adjustments, and has also utilized audibles to counter potential defensive looks.

In addition, Barkley has called plays from the line of scrimmage in no-huddle and two-minute situations, showcasing his mastery of the offense and knowledge of coverage. The utilization of the hurry-up approach also reflects his keen understanding of game situations and circumstances.

From a decision-making standpoint, Barkley has been mildly disappointing. He has made several errors in big games, leading to a high number of turnovers. While his touchdown-to-interception ratio is a respectable 36:15, the fact that he has thrown two or more picks in six games is disturbing. A quarterback with Barkley's experience should understand the importance of ball security, and he should avoid making risky throws. More importantly, Barkley should understand that tight coverage up the field means a check-down or safety valve is available underneath. Elite NFL quarterbacks operate that way; he has enough experience to know this strategy produces winning results. With nine interceptions in the Trojans' last four games, Barkley hasn't performed as expected; that will certainly affect his grade on draft boards across the league.

Clutch factor

Quarterbacks are ultimately judged on their ability to win big games. Barkley was outstanding in the Trojans' biggest games in 2011, but he has underwhelmed in such showdowns this season. In the Trojans' four losses, Barkley completed just 58.2 percent of his passes, recording 11 touchdowns and eight interceptions. More importantly, he has made poor decisions in the opening moments of games, putting his team in an early hole. The most disappointing aspect of his performance is his inability to recognize pressure and coverage prior to the snap. For a senior with four years of starting experience, Barkley should display more poise under pressure and perform better in big games. Scouts will go back to the 2011 game tape to see if Barkley's problems are a trend, but his lackluster play in meaningful contests this season will give evaluators some pause when considering his prospects as a franchise quarterback.

Conclusion

Barkley was considered a strong possibility as a top-15 pick a year ago, but elected to return to school to hone his game for the pros. He has shown progress in some areas, but he is not the elite quarterback prospect some thought he'd be prior to the season. He is not in the same class as current young standouts Cam Newton (Carolina Panthers), Andrew Luck (Indianapolis Colts) and Robert Griffin III (Washington Redskins), but he has enough polish and potential to still merit consideration as a pick in the latter half of the first round. Given the number of teams that are desperate for a quarterback, though, I expect Barkley will come off the board within the first 20 selections of the 2013 NFL Draft.

Rausch 11-22-2012 12:05 PM

So drafting a prospect who "isn't elite" is worse than suffering year 5 of Ca$$hole?...

Mr_Tomahawk 11-22-2012 12:06 PM

Yup.

Barkley is overrated.

Rausch 11-22-2012 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9141576)
Yup.

OK.

In58men 11-22-2012 12:07 PM

This years QB class isn't all that great. Geno had a break out year, does he go #1? Tyler Wilson isn't elite as well. Kinda bummed about the QB class this year

the Talking Can 11-22-2012 12:08 PM

the author concludes he is a first round pick = fatality

?

Rausch 11-22-2012 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9141578)
This years QB class isn't all that great. Geno had a break out year, does he go #1?

Good chance...

mlyonsd 11-22-2012 12:09 PM

You'd think as chief fans we'd deserve to a guy like Luck or RGIII available when we pick.

okoye35chiefs 11-22-2012 12:10 PM

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In58men 11-22-2012 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9141581)
Good chance...

Very good chance, there's question marks on all the QBs this year. Can't be sold on Geno after one great year.

RealSNR 11-22-2012 12:10 PM

Barkley's last game didn't do him any favors at all. He had momentum riding from that Oregon game.

Now it's probably going to make him the #3 QB off the board. Possibly #4 if one of the juniors declares early

Rausch 11-22-2012 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9141589)
Can't be sold on Geno after one great year.

I'm not a fan...

RealSNR 11-22-2012 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9141589)
Very good chance, there's question marks on all the QBs this year. Can't be sold on Geno after one great year.

Guns don't kill people who don't know what they're talking about when it comes to Geno Smith.

I do.

RealSNR 11-22-2012 12:12 PM

(No, that's not a threat, mods. I'm clearly riffing on Inmem's avatar from awhile ago. I have nothing but love for the guy)

In58men 11-22-2012 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9141593)
Guns don't kill people who don't know what they're talking about when it comes to Geno Smith.

I do.

I'm all for Geno, just don't wanna get my hopes about that guy. I've been disappointed to many times.

Rausch 11-22-2012 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9141593)
Guns don't kill people who don't know what they're talking about when it comes to Geno Smith.

I do.

Aw $3it.

Our first QB square off...

In58men 11-22-2012 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9141596)
(No, that's not a threat, mods. I'm clearly riffing on Inmem's avatar from awhile ago. I have nothing but love for the guy)

You're a cutie <3

Hammock Parties 11-22-2012 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9141573)
So drafting a prospect who "isn't elite" is worse than suffering year 5 of Ca$$hole?...

I'd rather have Landry freaking Jones than Matt Barkley.

At least Jones has some mobility.

Barkley has stone feet.

Rausch 11-22-2012 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9141607)
You're a cutie <3

- uncomfortable -

ChiefsCountry 11-22-2012 12:19 PM

Its Bucky Brooks article. He is a ****ing idiot.
Posted via Mobile Device

RealSNR 11-22-2012 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9141605)
Aw $3it.

Our first QB square off...

You don't have to be a fan of Geno Smith to at least admit that the guy has had nothing but stupendous production in his 3 complete years as a starter for West Virginia.

Check his stats, bro

2009 5 games 32/49 309 yards 65.3% 1 TD 1 INT
2010- 13 games 241/373, 2763 yards 64.8% 24 TD 7 INT
2011- 13 games 346/526, 4385 yards 65.8% 31 TD 7 INT
2012- 8 games 249/346, 2677 yards 72.0% 29 TD 3 INT

Also, he had zero starts in 2009 in case you were wondering about that.

Rausch 11-22-2012 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9141617)
I'd rather have Landry freaking Jones than Matt Barkley.

At least Jones has some mobility.

Barkley has stone feet.

I'm not very impressed with this group.

I admit.

But I'll stand by my drafting-anyone-is-a-step-forward stance...

Hammock Parties 11-22-2012 12:21 PM

People who think Geno can't produce against good teams should go check out his ****ing 7 TD performance in last year's Orange Bowl.

I mean he only put up 70 points...

Rausch 11-22-2012 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9141623)
You don't have to be a fan of Geno Smith to at least admit that the guy has had nothing but stupendous production in his 3 complete years as a starter for West Virginia.

Check his stats, bro

2009 5 games 32/49 309 yards 65.3% 1 TD 1 INT
2010- 13 games 241/373, 2763 yards 64.8% 24 TD 7 INT
2011- 13 games 346/526, 4385 yards 65.8% 31 TD 7 INT
2012- 8 games 249/346, 2677 yards 72.0% 29 TD 3 INT

Also, he had zero starts in 2009 in case you were wondering about that.

He's the kind of QB that reminds me of my 2nd year of college.

I'd get a girl alone in a room and then........wait......whut?......."It's called a padded bra..."

In58men 11-22-2012 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9141619)
- uncomfortable -

Jelly?

jspchief 11-22-2012 12:25 PM

Smith has had more than 1 good year, and he's done it in 3 different offenses.

He has all the physical tools to be an NFL QB.

Rausch 11-22-2012 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9141631)
Jelly?

WHAT!?!

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...85SSCrGp-RxSz8

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-22-2012 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9141576)
Yup.

Barkley is overrated.

This. Do Not Want.

USC/#7/Bad Mojo/No ****ing thanks.

Rausch 11-22-2012 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan (Post 9141652)
This. Do Not Want.

USC/#7/Bad Mojo/No ****ing thanks.

The only bad mojo we have with QB's is drafting, signing, or trading for one...

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-22-2012 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9141620)
Its Bucky Brooks article. He is a ****ing idiot.
Posted via Mobile Device

ROFL I think Geno chocolate penii'd Bucky's sister or something.

Mr_Tomahawk 11-22-2012 12:31 PM

Where is cheeriOsfan to tell us we are all wrong...?

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-22-2012 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9141655)
The only bad mojo we have with QB's is drafting, signing, or trading for one...

Incorrect. We don't even ****ing try. BUT WE BEAT THE PACKERZ SO GIVE ROMEOZ THE KEYS TO THE CAR HERP-A-DERP-DERP-DERP-DIZZLE!!!!!!

CoMoChief 11-22-2012 12:33 PM

I acutally wouldn't mind Cassel being kept as the primary backup as long as he takes a pay cut....which I'm sure he won't do and I don't necessarily blame him for not doing so.

Hammock Parties 11-22-2012 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9141662)
I acutally wouldn't mind Cassel being kept as the primary backup as long as he takes a pay cut....which I'm sure he won't do and I don't necessarily blame him for not doing so.

**** him. He should eat some of the shit he's been feeding us for 4 years.

I'm going to rape his face with captioned stills of him looking stupid on the bench these last 6 games.

Hammock Parties 11-22-2012 12:36 PM

NO ONE is going to pay Cassel that 7.5 million he's due.

But he won't stay here because he's arrogant, entitled ****.

In58men 11-22-2012 12:38 PM

I know that feel bro

Rausch 11-22-2012 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9141674)
But he won't stay here because he's arrogant, entitled ****.

Who's that?

Our owner?

Gm?

HC?

QB?...

milkman 11-22-2012 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9141592)
I'm not a fan...

I read in another thread that you thought that Cassel's footwork has always been pretty good.

So now that we've established that you have no clue, we can dismiss your opinions on QB.

Rausch 11-22-2012 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9141682)
I read in another thread that you thought that Cassel's footwork has always been pretty good.

It has.

He's $3it pretty much everywhere else though...

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-22-2012 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9141682)
I read in another thread that you thought that Cassel's footwork has always been pretty good.

So now that we've established that you have no clue, we can dismiss your opinions on QB.

I generally like Rausch, but he's got Donkey-itis on the brain and actually wants to win this ****ing game. No long-term vision at play here.

CoMoChief 11-22-2012 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9141674)
NO ONE is going to pay Cassel that 7.5 million he's due.

But he won't stay here because he's arrogant, entitled ****.

Can't say I disagree w/ this.

BossChief 11-22-2012 12:44 PM

It won't matter if Pioli isn't fired. He will take Landry Jones.

In the second round.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-22-2012 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9141689)
It won't matter if Pioli isn't fired. He will take Landry Jones.

:mad:

****....

That.

milkman 11-22-2012 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9141685)
It has.

He's $3it pretty much everywhere else though...

No it hasn't.

His footwork has always been poor.

Slow, plodding, and strides too long.

Rausch 11-22-2012 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9141703)
No it hasn't.

His footwork has always been poor.

Slow, plodding, and strides too long.

Are you insinuating that he's slow out of his drop and throws off his back foot?...

CoMoChief 11-22-2012 12:53 PM

Who gives a **** if his footwork is good if he can't throw a damn football.

And by the way his footwork is poor.

Just about everything he does behind center is horseshit.

Rausch 11-22-2012 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9141706)
Who gives a **** if his footwork is good if he can't throw a damn football.

Don't interfere...

milkman 11-22-2012 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9141705)
Are you insinuating that he's slow out of his drop and throws off his back foot?...

I'm insinuatng that he is slow on his dropback, and because of his longer stride that he has to adjust his feet when he should be hitting his back foot and be ready to throw.

Rausch 11-22-2012 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9141735)
I'm insinuatng that he is slow on his dropback, and because of his longer stride that he has to adjust his feet when he should be hitting his back foot and be ready to throw.

Then he has no redeemable values at all as a starter?

Right?...

BoneKrusher 11-22-2012 01:14 PM

yeah, i never thought he would be a good pro prospect.


he could prove me wrong, but i doubt it.

milkman 11-22-2012 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9141741)
Then he has no redeemable values at all as a starter?

Right?...

I never wanted him in KC.

I watched every one of the Patriot replays on NFL Network from the '08 season to find something redeemable, and posted any positive I could find.

He was not then, and is not now, a QB that I would build a franchis around.

Rausch 11-22-2012 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9141753)
I never wanted him in KC.

I watched every one of the Patriot replays on NFL Network from the '08 season to find something redeemable, and posted any positive I could find.

He was not then, and is not now, a QB that I would build a franchis around.

SAME HERE!

HOO-****ING-RAH!

HATED THE IDEA OF HIM HERE, HATED SIGNING HIM LONG TERM, HATED HIS PLAY.

DID NOT WANT FROM DAY ****ING ONE!

WE OK WITH THIS NOW?

WE ALL GOOD WITH THE FACT HE'S ****ING TERRIBLE IN ALL ASPECTS OF THE NFL GAME?

CAN WE NOW ****ING MOVE FORWARD?

PLEASE? ****ING PLEASE?

aturnis 11-22-2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9141576)
Yup.

Barkley is overrated.

So is Geno...

chiefzilla1501 11-22-2012 01:25 PM

Not a great year for qbs. Doesn't that figure.

We either go safe with Barkley. His ceiling is probably a borderline top 10 qb but I think he will be pretty much a sure thing. Or you go with geno who, sorry geno fans, is boom/bust. Much higher ceiling, but also major bust potential.

I still say we draft geno and use another early pick on a qb. Maybe someone like Glennon or Jordan Rodgers (later pick).

BossChief 11-22-2012 01:25 PM

U MAD BRO?

milkman 11-22-2012 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9141759)
SAME HERE!

HOO-****ING-RAH!

HATED THE IDEA OF HIM HERE, HATED SIGNING HIM LONG TERM, HATED HIS PLAY.

DID NOT WANT FROM DAY ****ING ONE!

WE OK WITH THIS NOW?

WE ALL GOOD WITH THE FACT HE'S ****ING TERRIBLE IN ALL ASPECTS OF THE NFL GAME?

CAN WE NOW ****ING MOVE FORWARD?

PLEASE? ****ING PLEASE?

This isn't about Cassel.

This is about your ability to evaluate QB talent.

Molitoth 11-22-2012 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9141662)
I acutally wouldn't mind Cassel being kept as the primary backup as long as he takes a pay cut....which I'm sure he won't do and I don't necessarily blame him for not doing so.

:cuss::banghead:

i never want to see that douchebag again, unless hes playing for a divisional opponent.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-22-2012 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9141763)
Not a great year for qbs. Doesn't that figure.

We either go safe with Barkley. His ceiling is probably a borderline top 10 qb but I think he will be pretty much a sure thing. Or you go with geno who, sorry geno fans, is boom/bust. Much higher ceiling, but also major bust potential.

I still say we draft geno and use another early pick on a qb. Maybe someone like Glennon or Jordan Rodgers (later pick).

TOO RISKY!/Dumbass True Fan.:evil:

At this point in Chiefs god-awful, stomach-churning history, I am ready for some sweet-smelling, soul-lifting RISK!

Dayze 11-22-2012 01:28 PM

surely there is a left tackle we can take #1

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-22-2012 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9141761)
So is Geno...

So is Stanzi, apparantly...

Rausch 11-22-2012 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan (Post 9141775)
So is Stanzi, apparantly...

We keep talking about our no 3 QB like that's a position worth talking about...

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-22-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 9141774)
surely there is a left tackle we can take #1

http://static4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/..._b0af_b03b.png

aturnis 11-22-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9141685)
It has.

He's $3it pretty much everywhere else that ugh...

Actually his lack of footwork, especially under pressure when it matters, is why he's so incredibly inaccurate...

Rausch 11-22-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan (Post 9141783)

REDX...

jspchief 11-22-2012 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9141778)
We keep talking about our no 3 QB like that's a position worth talking about...

We have three #3 QBs.

Rausch 11-22-2012 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9141813)
We have three #3 QBs.

Argument conceded...

Mr_Tomahawk 11-22-2012 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan (Post 9141775)
So is Stanzi, apparantly...

Stanzi is garbage and has no place in this league.

Terrible QB.

Ace Gunner 11-22-2012 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9141617)
I'd rather have Landry freaking Jones than Matt Barkley.

At least Jones has some mobility.

Barkley has stone feet.

yep

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9141629)
People who think Geno can't produce against good teams should go check out his ****ing 7 TD performance in last year's Orange Bowl.

I mean he only put up 70 points...

and yep

BossChief 11-22-2012 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9141763)
Not a great year for qbs. Doesn't that figure.

We either go safe with Barkley. His ceiling is probably a borderline top 10 qb but I think he will be pretty much a sure thing. Or you go with geno who, sorry geno fans, is boom/bust. Much higher ceiling, but also major bust potential.

I still say we draft geno and use another early pick on a qb. Maybe someone like Glennon or Jordan Rodgers (later pick).

Ive heard you say this dumb shit a few times and its absolutely ridiculous.

What exactly gives Geno this "major bust potential"?

What is his "fatal flaw" that he needs to overcome and if he doesnt, he will bust?

KCFaninSEA 11-22-2012 02:51 PM

I still struggle with using a #1 or #2 overall pick on any of the QB's coming out this year. This team needs help in so many areas that spending a high pick like that on what could end up being a middle of the road QB is extremely dangerous. Yes, the need is there but this team needs leaders and studs not more average players that we spent high picks to get. Part of our problem has been passing on great talent to try and fill a whole and then have that player not be productive. This could be the same ol' song and dance if we are not careful.

Chief Roundup 11-22-2012 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9141963)
What exactly gives Geno this "major bust potential"?

Just like any other QB coming out. When you have a high ceiling and a low floor you have more potential to bust than a person with a higher floor.

crazycoffey 11-22-2012 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9141767)

This is about your ability to evaluate QB talent.


ROFL

chiefzilla1501 11-22-2012 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9141963)
Ive heard you say this dumb shit a few times and its absolutely ridiculous.

What exactly gives Geno this "major bust potential"?

What is his "fatal flaw" that he needs to overcome and if he doesnt, he will bust?

Don't be an idiot. I am saying his upside is worth the risk. But only cp is trying to make the case that he is a perfectly unflawed qb. In most qb classes, he is tier 2.

If he is flawless as you try to paint him to be, there is no reason anybody should be debating him as the #1 pick in a lackluster qb class. Or why many nfl analysts are hesitant to put him there.

This place overreacts. I like him. But to pretend he isn't riskier than many #1 qbs is laughable.

chiefzilla1501 11-22-2012 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9141963)
Ive heard you say this dumb shit a few times and its absolutely ridiculous.

What exactly gives Geno this "major bust potential"?

What is his "fatal flaw" that he needs to overcome and if he doesnt, he will bust?

By the way... The last time you called me out for saying dumb shit was because I didn't hop on the bandwagon that we should hire a 60 year old offensive coordinator who just a year ago was pretty widely hated by educated steelers fans.

Chief Roundup 11-22-2012 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KCFaninSEA (Post 9141967)
I still struggle with using a #1 or #2 overall pick on any of the QB's coming out this year. This team needs help in so many areas that spending a high pick like that on what could end up being a middle of the road QB is extremely dangerous. Yes, the need is there but this team needs leaders and studs not more average players that we spent high picks to get. Part of our problem has been passing on great talent to try and fill a whole and then have that player not be productive. This could be the same ol' song and dance if we are not careful.

You want to talk about extremely dangerous and same ol' song and dance.
I will tell you what is extremely dangerous. Not drafting a QB at the top of this draft. If the Chiefs don't draft a top guy and are mediocre at all with whatever veteran or some thing like that. The same ol' song and dance. Arrowhead will become a tax debt hole that will never be forgotten by the taxpayers of that area. Arrowhead will be an empty baron wasteland.

Even if it is a band-aid and doesn't work out the Chiefs FO have put themselves in a corner by their own design. They have no choice even if it turns out to be a "bust". It will save face with the fans.
You want them to do something different. If year 2 the 1st round QB isn't working and you can at all you draft another one. And don't give me this waste of talent BS either.

mdchiefsfan 11-22-2012 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9141630)
He's the kind of QB that reminds me of my 2nd year of college.

I'd get a girl alone in a room and then........wait......whut?......."It's called a padded bra..."

ROFL

BossChief 11-22-2012 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9141987)
Don't be an idiot. I am saying his upside is worth the risk. But only cp is trying to make the case that he is a perfectly unflawed qb. In most qb classes, he is tier 2.

If he is flawless as you try to paint him to be, there is no reason anybody should be debating him as the #1 pick in a lackluster qb class. Or why many nfl analysts are hesitant to put him there.

This place overreacts. I like him. But to pretend he isn't riskier than many #1 qbs is laughable.

Dont dodge the question I posed.

You said he has "major bust potential" and I simply asked what specifically gave you this thought.

Is he dumb?
Bad arm?
Poor accuracy?
Cant read defenses?
Doesnt understand coverages?
Immobile?
Bad leader?
Injury prone?
Is he an asshole off the field?

For you to make a bullshit claim like "he has major bust potential", surely you had something to base that claim off of...

Im just asking what you see that I am missing...

BossChief 11-22-2012 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9141992)
By the way... The last time you called me out for saying dumb shit was because I didn't hop on the bandwagon that we should hire a 60 year old offensive coordinator who just a year ago was pretty widely hated by educated steelers fans.

Even if that was totally accurate, whats your point?

Arians has a near perfect record with developing first round quarterbacks and has a backround in the Steelers system and is a OC under a guy that has ties to Baltimore.

The guy would be able to get a DC from either of those systems and develop our quarterback.

Not sure whats not to like...

chiefzilla1501 11-22-2012 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9142047)
Dont dodge the question I posed.

You said he has "major bust potential" and I simply asked what specifically gave you this thought.

Is he dumb?
Bad arm?
Poor accuracy?
Cant read defenses?
Doesnt understand coverages?
Immobile?
Bad leader?
Injury prone?
Is he an asshole off the field?

For you to make a bullshit claim like "he has major bust potential", surely you had something to base that claim off of...

Im just asking what you see that I am missing...

I've said this before. He is not rgIII, who ran a college offense, but we knew could win with his legs even if he wasn't a master at a pro offense (even in terms of being a pure pocket passer, he doesn't walk in with nearly the impressive pedigree as rgIII). He isn't Andrew luck, who we knew would MASTER a pocket based pro offense.

He is going to have to win games with his head. He is mobile enough, but not enough to mask inability to win in the pocket. People point to a "good enough" job in an average pro offense a few years ago. Today, he runs a very college oriented system where he isn't asked to go through progressions. He hasn't played against super complicated defenses to give us a feel for how he will react to out thinking a brilliant defense. We have to take leaps of faith that his football iq, coachability, and work ethic will help him do that.

Again. I would take him in a heartbeat. But fans of bad teams are the only ones who pretend he comes without risk. It's another case of cp exaggerating about a guy they like. Outside of cp, he is universally viewed as a borderline #1 pick in a lackluster qb class. If he is as clear cut as you say, given his skill set, he would be a consensus #1. The only reason hes becoming more of a consensus pick is because barkleys stock is nose diving.

scho63 11-22-2012 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 9141585)
You'd think as chief fans we'd deserve to a guy like Luck or RGIII available when we pick.

Yeah, we miss out on a ll the sure things and this year when we have the opportunity the pickings are slim. We better not draft Todd Blackledge Jr.


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