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ShowtimeSBMVP 01-17-2019 10:24 PM

Clark Hunt will bang the Pre-game drum
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I figured it was going to be Len Dawson or the Hunt family banging the drum. It will be a well deserved moment for Clark. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/ur2cqkGUHM">pic.twitter.com/ur2cqkGUHM</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1086115422334799875?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

gblowfish 01-17-2019 10:25 PM

And afterwards he'll be banging Mrs. Hunt....

Titty Meat 01-17-2019 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 14049112)
And afterwards he'll be banging Mrs. Hunt....

Tavia is a ****ing smoke show

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-17-2019 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 14049112)
And afterwards he'll be banging Mrs. Hunt....

ROFL

Jewish Rabbi 01-17-2019 10:29 PM

I’d like to bang his daughter pregame

big nasty kcnut 01-17-2019 10:39 PM

For a second i thought it said clark was going to bang his wife over the drum.

Why Not? 01-17-2019 10:41 PM

I love this place. No posts about the sentiment or about his dad or whatever. All posts about banging the women in his family.

alanm 01-17-2019 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 14049141)
I love this place. No posts about the sentiment or about his dad or whatever. All posts about banging the women in his family.

It's the CP way. :shrug:

RealSNR 01-17-2019 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 14049117)
Tavia is a ****ing smoke show

She's proof that hot women would **** a bucket of diarrhea if it had a net worth in the billions.

dlphg9 01-17-2019 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14049152)
She's proof that hot women would **** a bucket of diarrhea if it had a net worth in the billions.

Clark isnt a bad looking dude.

RunKC 01-17-2019 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 14049123)
I’d like to bang his daughter pregame

Hopefully you aren’t referring to the one who looks exactly like Clark.

007 01-17-2019 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14049173)
Clark isnt a bad looking dude.

Kind of what I was thinking.

Prison Bitch 01-17-2019 11:31 PM

Don’t mention whom his bro will be banging

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 01-17-2019 11:33 PM

Yea Clark isn’t ugly.

Frazod 01-17-2019 11:35 PM

I still think it should be Pollard.

Prison Bitch 01-17-2019 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14049207)
I still think it should be Pollard.

Kenyan Drake

stevieray 01-17-2019 11:39 PM

I like it...

Wish list?

Otis Taylor

007 01-17-2019 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14049207)
I still think it should be Pollard.

That really would be one hell of a troll.

TinyEvel 01-17-2019 11:57 PM

"Banging the Pregame Drum" is what you call rubbing one out before going on a date so you last longer during the intercourses.

DaFace 01-18-2019 12:00 AM

Banging jokes aside, that's pretty cool that Clark is doing it. Though I've never really felt strongly about him as an owner, I do kind of feel like we want a win FOR HIM, specifically. It's criminal that his family has never held that trophy.

Fat Elvis 01-18-2019 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 14049241)
"Banging the Pregame Drum" is what you call rubbing one out before going on a date so you last longer during the intercourses.

You know, your avatar looks like a little plastic Michael Cohen in a Evil Knievel jumpsuit.....

CoMoChief 01-18-2019 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 14049117)
Tavia is a ****ing smoke show

Damn....I had to google her, never seen her before.

You weren't kidding....very milfy.

arrowheadnation 01-18-2019 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14049207)
I still think it should be Pollard.

Lol...this would have been great. Talk about Psychological warfare.

ChiefsFanatic 01-18-2019 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14049245)
Banging jokes aside, that's pretty cool that Clark is doing it. Though I've never really felt strongly about him as an owner, I do kind of feel like we want a win FOR HIM, specifically. It's criminal that his family has never held that trophy.

I have always believed that while cHunt tried to make moves that seemed geared towards winning, like hiring Pioli, a Patriots guy that every team with a GM opening wanted, and hiring Dorsey and Reid, the bottom line was always the most important thing to him.

It wasn't until the interview after the Colts game, where he had clearly been crying, that I felt like winning mattered to him. I actually felt a connection to him on an emotional level because I finally felt like holding the trophy that bears his father's name was important to him.

I will absolutely cry if we win, and on that podium they hand him the Lamar Hunt Trophy, and he holds it up, looks to the sky, and says "We did it dad."

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TwistedChief 01-18-2019 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 14049319)
I have always believed that while cHunt tried to make moves that seemed geared towards winning, like hiring Pioli, a Patriots guy that every team with a GM opening wanted, and hiring Dorsey and Reid, the bottom line was always the most important thing to him.

What gave you this impression? He's already wildly wealthy (albeit of the inherited variety) and has had football as a mainstay of his entire life. I'm curious why people feel this way. Was it the absence of seeing him emotional about losing? Was it trying to bring a Super Bowl to KC? Something else?

I've never understood people's hatred for him aside from the 'absentee owner from Texas' narrative.

Demonpenz 01-18-2019 01:51 AM

Clark Hunt is going to bang the drum on Sunday. What I really want is for him to come out full headdress full warpant riding a horse. Ride that mother ****er out to Belicheck and pull out a flaming tomahawk and throw it right down at his feet then turn around and point the the stands to Robert Kraft and say "YOUR NEXT" like the guy off of bloodsport. Then he can thunder over to the drums where he will play the part of In The Air tonight that everyone loves and a blackhawk helicopter will drop a rope where he will fly out of the Arrowhead.

007 01-18-2019 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 14049325)
Clark Hunt is going to bang the drum on Sunday. What I really want is for him to come out full headdress full warpant riding a horse. Ride that mother ****er out to Belicheck and pull out a flaming tomahawk and throw it right down at his feet then turn around and point the the stands to Robert Kraft and say "YOUR NEXT" like the guy off of bloodsport. Then he can thunder over to the drums where he will play the part of In The Air tonight that everyone loves and a blackhawk helicopter will drop a rope where he will fly out of the Arrowhead.

Where have I seen this before. :D

And follow that up with Rock n Roll Part 2 blaring out of the sound system allowing the crowd to drive that point home.

Demonpenz 01-18-2019 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 007 (Post 14049329)
Where have I seen this before. :D

And follow that up with Rock n Roll Part 2 blaring out of the sound system allowing the crowd to drive that point home.

I want to see how this is with wings

Demonpenz 01-18-2019 01:59 AM

chiefs come out with a patch that says #bostonsoft

TwistedChief 01-18-2019 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 14049325)
Clark Hunt is going to bang the drum on Sunday. What I really want is for him to come out full headdress full warpant riding a horse. Ride that mother ****er out to Belicheck and pull out a flaming tomahawk and throw it right down at his feet then turn around and point the the stands to Robert Kraft and say "YOUR NEXT" like the guy off of bloodsport. Then he can thunder over to the drums where he will play the part of In The Air tonight that everyone loves and a blackhawk helicopter will drop a rope where he will fly out of the Arrowhead.

Rep for the Chong Li Bloodsport reference :clap:

Everyone knows he was the real hero in that movie.

Dr. Yu Weed Tard 01-18-2019 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 14049123)
I’d like to bang his daughter pregame

You need to go watch a Gillette commercial.

RollChiefsRoll 01-18-2019 06:19 AM

Good lord you guys weren’t kidding — Tavia is a beaut.

T-post Tom 01-18-2019 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Haglund's_Spirit (Post 14049420)
You need to go watch a Gillette commercial.

REP

ROFL

wazu 01-18-2019 07:16 AM

This is appropriate and awesome.

chinaski 01-18-2019 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll (Post 14049436)
Good lord you guys weren’t kidding — Tavia is a beaut.

Yeah man, she was a Beauty Queen...very attractive woman.

Rasputin 01-18-2019 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 14049141)
I love this place. No posts about the sentiment or about his dad or whatever. All posts about banging the women in his family.

Why Not?

SgtTrulyOdd 01-18-2019 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 14049495)
Why Not?

Por que no los dos?

Nzoner 01-18-2019 08:08 AM

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loochy 01-18-2019 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll (Post 14049436)
Good lord you guys weren’t kidding — Tavia is a beaut.

Check out Gracie...she's even hotter

KChiefs1 01-18-2019 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 14049286)
Damn....I had to google her, never seen her before.



You weren't kidding....very milfy.


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ARROW2 01-18-2019 08:35 AM

damn, his daughter DOES look just like Clark.

loochy 01-18-2019 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ARROW2 (Post 14049564)
damn, his daughter DOES look just like Clark.

Well one does.

The other one looks just like perfect.

Rasputin 01-18-2019 08:41 AM

This seems like it's going be a returning theme for the Chiefs to host the AFC Championship i'd like to see the guys Joe Delaney saved from the lake beat the drum to honor Joe Delaney.

Gravedigger 01-18-2019 08:45 AM

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Dr. Yu Weed Tard 01-18-2019 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 14049575)
This seems like it's going be a returning theme for the Chiefs to host the AFC Championship i'd like to see the guys Joe Delaney saved from the lake beat the drum to honor Joe Delaney.

I'd rather see Delaney's actual kids do it.

Joe died trying to save 3 stupid kids who shouldn't have been swimming in an aesthetic park pond. 2 died, the one he saved went to prison.

Kman34 01-18-2019 09:33 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...2W_400x400.jpg

Daughter.. Gracie...

Chiefshrink 01-18-2019 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14049207)
I still think it should be Pollard.

Yep!:thumb::LOL:

I have a hard time getting excited seeing a middle aged billionaire in an expensive suit and winter overcoat wearing wingtips banging the drum while smiling like Richie Cunningham.:shrug:

Yeah, I get this is his Dad's trophy an all but.....:rolleyes:

Chris Meck 01-18-2019 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 14049654)



good gawd!:eek:

Tonka83 01-18-2019 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 14049654)

Holy Moly. Visual Viagra right there.

Flying High D 01-18-2019 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 14049656)
Yep!:thumb::LOL:

I have a hard time getting excited seeing a middle aged billionaire in an expensive suit and winter overcoat wearing wingtips banging the drum while smiling like Richie Cunningham.:shrug:

Yeah, I get this is his Dad's trophy an all but.....:rolleyes:


I'm pretty pissed off too. There is hope he sheds that winter overcoat so we can see his cute butt.

scho63 01-18-2019 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 14049654)

https://media3.giphy.com/media/D7OJu...5451776b64692e

FAX 01-18-2019 10:28 AM

Oughta be a gong.

FAX

BigRedChief 01-18-2019 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinaski (Post 14049485)
Yeah man, she was a Beauty Queen...very attractive woman.

never knew this. Google’d her. Yowsa! Top shelf women right there. Rich too. Her Instagram is worth the time to check out.

Fish 01-18-2019 11:45 AM

I hope he doesn't get a blister on his soccer hands....

redfan 01-18-2019 11:53 AM

Mayo on white bread and vanilla ice cream for all!!

ARROW2 01-18-2019 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tonka83 (Post 14049676)
Holy Moly. Visual Viagra right there.

Would.....hit

Jewish Rabbi 01-18-2019 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 14049654)

But I’m an asshole because I’d bang her, right?

Hammock Parties 01-18-2019 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 14049325)
Clark Hunt is going to bang the drum on Sunday. What I really want is for him to come out full headdress full warpant riding a horse. Ride that mother ****er out to Belicheck and pull out a flaming tomahawk and throw it right down at his feet then turn around and point the the stands to Robert Kraft and say "YOUR NEXT" like the guy off of bloodsport. Then he can thunder over to the drums where he will play the part of In The Air tonight that everyone loves and a blackhawk helicopter will drop a rope where he will fly out of the Arrowhead.

Tweeted ROFL

Hammock Parties 01-18-2019 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tonka83 (Post 14049676)
Holy Moly. Visual Viagra right there.

try not to fap too hard

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Hammock Parties 01-18-2019 06:35 PM

if clark hunt was a little girl

https://scontent.fmkc1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...8d&oe=5CBD190D

Hammock Parties 01-18-2019 06:36 PM

my god

https://scontent.fmkc1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...c0&oe=5CCC64E1

stevieray 01-18-2019 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14050974)

She has his eyes, but her mamas features...she'll end up a beauty as well.

threebag 01-18-2019 08:09 PM

He’s definitely living right.

rtmike 01-18-2019 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 14049141)
I love this place. No posts about the sentiment or about his dad or whatever. All posts about banging the women in his family.

And I refer to your username

ChiefsFanatic 01-18-2019 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 14049324)
What gave you this impression? He's already wildly wealthy (albeit of the inherited variety) and has had football as a mainstay of his entire life. I'm curious why people feel this way. Was it the absence of seeing him emotional about losing? Was it trying to bring a Super Bowl to KC? Something else?



I've never understood people's hatred for him aside from the 'absentee owner from Texas' narrative.

For me, it was the way he reacted to the Herm Edwardss, the Romeo Crennells, the Scott Piolis, the Todd Haleys, that we suffered through. Except for one game in 2009 Arrowhead was a sell out every week (at least on the books) and he was apathetic to it all. When he hired Pioli we hired the man that every team wanted, and it seemed like he wanted to win at first, but no, he was happy to sit back, play with his soccer teams, and ignore the city of Kansas City.

And when he made moves like hiring Pioli, it had the illusion of wanting to win, but then he let Pioli sell Haley and himself some snake oil, and we got the Casshole. And then he watched Pioli drown Haley in the barrel of snake oil, and as Pioli was holding Haley's head under, Hunt watched Pioli claim that Tyler Palko deserves a spot on an NFL team.

And then when Haley started Palko, Hunt just watched from the sideline.

And then when Hunt hired Dorsey and Reid, it seemed like a move geared towards winning, but once again Hunt stood on the sideline watching terrible playoff loss and terrible playoff loss. The stadium continued to sell out, and losing playoff games was ok.

And maybe a lot of that is unfair, and maybe I felt the way I did because Clark Hunt speaks in a hushed monotone, and never seemed to be upset with losing.

And I freely admit that I was only seeing the public side of Clark Hunt, but after the Colts win, I saw the emotion in his face, and the tears in his eyes, and I felt like, hey, that's me. That's how I feel right now. (minus approximately all the billions) I finally saw the passion, and I saw that he had carried the weight of all those playoff losses in his heart, just like I did. He was me, and I was him, in that moment.

Clark Hunt is banging the drum on Sunday. If we win, and he holds that trophy, with his Father's name on it, lifts it to the sky, looks up and says "We did it, Dad" I will flat out bawl, with snot coming out of my nose, and all. I finally feel a connection between him, the team, and the city. On Sunday, if Clark Hunt lifts the Lamar Hunt trophy and says those words, I think it will be the sporting moment of this century.

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stevieray 01-18-2019 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 14051532)

And I freely admit that I was only seeing the public side of Clark Hunt, but after the Colts win, I saw the emotion in his face, and the tears in his eyes, and I felt like, hey, that's me. That's how I feel right now. (minus approximately all the billions) I finally saw the passion, and I saw that he had carried the weight of all those playoff losses in his heart, just like I did. He was me, and I was him, in that moment.

Clark Hunt is banging the drum on Sunday. If we win, and he holds that trophy, with his Father's name on it, lifts it to the sky, looks up and says "We did it, Dad" I will flat out bawl, with snot coming out of my nose, and all. I finally feel a connection between him, the team, and the city. On Sunday, if Clark Hunt lifts the Lamar Hunt trophy and says those words, I think it will be the sporting moment of this century.

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:clap:

Rain Man 01-19-2019 12:10 AM

Clark don't wanna work.
He just wanna bang on the drum all day.
Clark don't wanna play.
He just wanna bang on the drum all day.

Hammock Parties 01-19-2019 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 14051532)
Clark Hunt is banging the drum on Sunday. If we win, and he holds that trophy, with his Father's name on it, lifts it to the sky, looks up and says "We did it, Dad" I will flat out bawl, with snot coming out of my nose, and all. I finally feel a connection between him, the team, and the city. On Sunday, if Clark Hunt lifts the Lamar Hunt trophy and says those words, I think it will be the sporting moment of this century.

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JohnnyV13 01-19-2019 12:19 AM

You should have seen Tavia when she was 21. Holy crap.

Chris Meck 01-19-2019 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 14051532)
For me, it was the way he reacted to the Herm Edwardss, the Romeo Crennells, the Scott Piolis, the Todd Haleys, that we suffered through. Except for one game in 2009 Arrowhead was a sell out every week (at least on the books) and he was apathetic to it all. When he hired Pioli we hired the man that every team wanted, and it seemed like he wanted to win at first, but no, he was happy to sit back, play with his soccer teams, and ignore the city of Kansas City.

And when he made moves like hiring Pioli, it had the illusion of wanting to win, but then he let Pioli sell Haley and himself some snake oil, and we got the Casshole. And then he watched Pioli drown Haley in the barrel of snake oil, and as Pioli was holding Haley's head under, Hunt watched Pioli claim that Tyler Palko deserves a spot on an NFL team.

And then when Haley started Palko, Hunt just watched from the sideline.

And then when Hunt hired Dorsey and Reid, it seemed like a move geared towards winning, but once again Hunt stood on the sideline watching terrible playoff loss and terrible playoff loss. The stadium continued to sell out, and losing playoff games was ok.

And maybe a lot of that is unfair, and maybe I felt the way I did because Clark Hunt speaks in a hushed monotone, and never seemed to be upset with losing.

And I freely admit that I was only seeing the public side of Clark Hunt, but after the Colts win, I saw the emotion in his face, and the tears in his eyes, and I felt like, hey, that's me. That's how I feel right now. (minus approximately all the billions) I finally saw the passion, and I saw that he had carried the weight of all those playoff losses in his heart, just like I did. He was me, and I was him, in that moment.

Clark Hunt is banging the drum on Sunday. If we win, and he holds that trophy, with his Father's name on it, lifts it to the sky, looks up and says "We did it, Dad" I will flat out bawl, with snot coming out of my nose, and all. I finally feel a connection between him, the team, and the city. On Sunday, if Clark Hunt lifts the Lamar Hunt trophy and says those words, I think it will be the sporting moment of this century.

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While it's good that you can now identify with Hunt, your previous stance is a good example of exactly what's wrong with modern American society. You didn't think Hunt cared because he didn't show YOU that he cared.

He doesn't owe you shit on a personal level. he's entitled to his own personal life and you are NOT entitled to any part of that. But we assume a bunch of shit with no evidence. He doesn't care, you figure, why-because he doesn't jump up and down and throw temper tantrums?

That is how you end up with scam artists in positions of power. They are good at making people FEEL LIKE THEY CARE. Actual evidence not required.

I haven't always agreed with Hunt's moves (nor his father's, for that matter) but I was reasonably certain that both were decent men and wanted the team to be successful for their own legacies and for their (adopted) city.

Anyway, a lesson perhaps, in not assuming things without knowing the whole story.

AND- I'm not meaning to single you out so much as commenting on a general attitude that I've heard from a lot of people and in many spheres of life, not just The Chiefs and sports in general.

ChiefsFanatic 01-19-2019 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14051588)
He doesn't owe you shit on a personal level.

First off, FO. Secondly, I never said he owed me anything, although I believe he does. My definition, and I believe the definition that most Chiefs fans share, is that success for the Chiefs means wins, playoff victories, etc.

But what success means to me as a fan, and what it means to Clark Hunt as an owner, aren't necessarily the same thing.

Did you tell the SOC movement that Clark Hunt didn't owe them a damn thing? Because you have stated that you don't believe he does. But, I think you are wrong. Yes, the NFL is set up for every team, regardless of market size, to have the same shot at winning, and a level playing field, with their revenue sharing model.

But, team owners not only share in the revenue, but they get to keep 60% of the gate for each home game, including pre-season games. That 60% comes directly from the pockets of every fan that buys a ticket.

And then there is the revenue from parking. And the revenue from apparel and officially licensed products that don the Kansas City Chiefs logo and name.

Team owners are also often the recipient of large tax breaks and incentives from their cities and states, in order to secure a long term lease on their stadium, which in turn creates revenue for that city or state.

In a way, team owners create an ad hoc contract with the fans and members of the communities that contribute to their revenues outside of the league's revenue sharing set up. And because of this, I believe team owners do owe their fans a competitive product on the field, and with that they should pursue winning in good faith.

When team owners continually make bad football decisions based on increasing their profits, they are violating that ad hoc contract. Examples would be hiring a new HC every two or three years, because new and first time HCs cannot demand a high salary, which saves the owner money.

Another example would be when team owners cut or trade away veterans to avoid paying higher salaries. Etc. Etc. So on and so forth.

The SOC movement was born out of the frustration of a loyal and passionate fan base. But based on your statement, those passionate fans had no business being frustrated or voicing their unhappiness with the direction of the team, because according to you, team owners don't owe fans shit.

Anyway, a lesson perhaps, in how fan loyalty, sold out stadiums, apparel revenue, and revenue in the form of tax breaks paid for by the taxpayers, creates a social contract, and why team owners actually do owe their fans something.

And, as far as my assumption that Clark Hunt did not care about winning, I didn't assume, I weighed his actions and reactions to losing, and the results from the scale informed my belief that winning wasn't as important to Clark Hunt, as his definition of success didn't match my own.

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Chris Meck 01-19-2019 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 14051616)
First off, FO. Secondly, I never said he owed me anything, although I believe he does. My definition, and I believe the definition that most Chiefs fans share, is that success for the Chiefs means wins, playoff victories, etc.

But what success means to me as a fan, and what it means to Clark Hunt as an owner, aren't necessarily the same thing.

Did you tell the SOC movement that Clark Hunt didn't owe them a damn thing? Because you have stated that you don't believe he does. But, I think you are wrong. Yes, the NFL is set up for every team, regardless of market size, to have the same shot at winning, and a level playing field, with their revenue sharing model.

But, team owners not only share in the revenue, but they get to keep 60% of the gate for each home game, including pre-season games. That 60% comes directly from the pockets of every fan that buys a ticket.

And then there is the revenue from parking. And the revenue from apparel and officially licensed products that don the Kansas City Chiefs logo and name.

Team owners are also often the recipient of large tax breaks and incentives from their cities and states, in order to secure a long term lease on their stadium, which in turn creates revenue for that city or state.

In a way, team owners create an ad hoc contract with the fans and members of the communities that contribute to their revenues outside of the league's revenue sharing set up. And because of this, I believe team owners do owe their fans a competitive product on the field, and with that they should pursue winning in good faith.

When team owners continually make bad football decisions based on increasing their profits, they are violating that ad hoc contract. Examples would be hiring a new HC every two or three years, because new and first time HCs cannot demand a high salary, which saves the owner money.

Another example would be when team owners cut or trade away veterans to avoid paying higher salaries. Etc. Etc. So on and so forth.

The SOC movement was born out of the frustration of a loyal and passionate fan base. But based on your statement, those passionate fans had no business being frustrated or voicing their unhappiness with the direction of the team, because according to you, team owners don't owe fans shit.

Anyway, a lesson perhaps, in how fan loyalty, sold out stadiums, apparel revenue, and revenue in the form of tax breaks paid for by the taxpayers, creates a social contract, and why team owners actually do owe their fans something.

And, as far as my assumption that Clark Hunt did not care about winning, I didn't assume, I weighed his actions and reactions to losing, and the results from the scale informed my belief that winning wasn't as important to Clark Hunt, as his definition of success didn't match my own.

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he doesn't owe you a personal response. As in, you don't have a right to his personal space. You don't have a right to assume he doesn't care just because he doesn't throw public temper tantrums. This is my point. It's not like he didn't fire people when they proved inept; it's not like he didn't keep trying to hire people with pedigrees. It just didn't work out well until Reid. Every team in football that was looking wanted Pioli. Obviously, that was a mistake but at the time was considered a coup. It's his lack of public 'reaction' that bothers people. I really don't understand what people expected, a red faced screaming tantrum? He quietly fired people and went and hired the guy he wanted.

Whatever, let's go back to drooling over his wife and daughter.

TwistedChief 01-19-2019 04:21 AM

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And maybe a lot of that is unfair, and maybe I felt the way I did because Clark Hunt speaks in a hushed monotone, and never seemed to be upset with losing.

To be honest, I really do think your issues are unfair. The guy had just inherited the team from his father who was one of the most respected people in league history. I'm sure there was some learning curve and I'm sure there was some time where he was trying to find his equilibrium in terms of being hands on/hands off.

Let's just play revisionist history and say within the first few years of his controlling the organization, he meddles in the everyday player personnel decisions like who is starting at QB. He then gets a reputation for that sort of behavior. You might like it because you want your owner to visibly care, but when it's 2013 and we need a new GM and head coach, do you think Reid and Dorsey go to a team with an owner like that? I think doubtful.

I think it would be difficult establishing a balance between being a fan and being an owner. Because like it or not, as an owner, you can't act or respond to things like a normal fan without potential consequences down the road.

ChiefsFanatic 01-19-2019 05:53 AM

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To be honest, I really do think your issues are unfair. The guy had just inherited the team from his father who was one of the most respected people in league history. I'm sure there was some learning curve and I'm sure there was some time where he was trying to find his equilibrium in terms of being hands on/hands off.



Let's just play revisionist history and say within the first few years of his controlling the organization, he meddles in the everyday player personnel decisions like who is starting at QB. He then gets a reputation for that sort of behavior. You might like it because you want your owner to visibly care, but when it's 2013 and we need a new GM and head coach, do you think Reid and Dorsey go to a team with an owner like that? I think doubtful.



I think it would be difficult establishing a balance between being a fan and being an owner. Because like it or not, as an owner, you can't act or respond to things like a normal fan without potential consequences down the road.

I stipulated that I was probably being unfair, but those were my genuine feelings. And we all know that I wasn't alone in thinking cHunt was only concerned with the bottom line. CP has had a roller-coaster relationship with Clark.

And I have no idea how my comments got twisted into me wanting to violate his personal space or his privacy. What I wanted was an owner who was passionate about the team from my city.

Clark has taken a lot of heat on CP, and to look back now and say that it was undeserved is just revisionist history. There was a time that some people on this board were convinced that he would rather own a soccer team, which he owned 2 at the time, than the Kansas City Chiefs.

Lamar was a very low key guy, and he let the franchise get stagnant in the late 70s through nearly all of the 80s. Marty was passionate, and his theatrical style of inspiring and motivating players was the perfect complement to Lamar's soft spoken nature. But when Lamar was interviewed, his eyes twinkled, and he always had this look of wonder about him when talking about the Chiefs.

He did go out and aggressively get the hot GM prospect in Scott Pioli, and then together with Pioli they went out and got the hot coaching candidate, straight off the sidelines of the Super Bowl. But then Clark went back into his autopilot mode, and kinda let Pioli bully him.

It took banners from SOC to prompt Clark into action, and who knows how long he would have stood on the outside doing nothing but counting money if those banners had never been rage-created by an angry, frustrated fan base.

And to his credit, he made changes and this time secured the head coach that he knew and respected, and then hired the hot GM candidate.

On the surface those moved say "I am doing everything I can to bring a Championship to this city" but if you look under the surface, the Pioli/Haley and Reid/Dorsey hirings effectively ensured that the bottom line would stay profitable.

Adding to the cHunt-Profit narrative is the fact that he stood by and watched Pioli and Haley take turns hammering this franchise into the ground. In my opinion, he may have watched that show for quite some time if SOC had not been created.

I know that Reid is once again the toast of the town, because Mahomes, but while improving the win/loss ratio for regular season games, Reid was proving to be inept in winning games in the playoffs, even surrendering two of the biggest second half leads in playoff history. But once again, Clark had hired a coach that would ensure regular season ticket sales would remain high, and he was content to stay on the sideline counting money.

It took, the once-in-a-generation talent of #MVPM2 to stand out to Veach enough on film that he spammed Andy Reid for a couple of years, and it took the intelligence and charisma of #MVPM2 to convince Reid that he had finally found a QB that he absolutely had to have, and it took Reid, Veach, and Dorsey to convince Clark that #MVPM2 was worth the draft picks and the money the 10 slot would cost.

And again, on the surface this could have been explained away as Clark making moves that increased his bottom line while giving the appearance of wanting to win.

And that is why the interview after the Colts game last week was so important to me, and probably important to other fans who felt as I did as well, because he was no longer cHunt who was ok with losing as long as profits stayed high, but in that moment he became Clark Hunt, who cried because he had finally delivered a home playoff win to this city. And he became Clark Hunt, the boy who was finally getting a chance to bring the trophy named after his father back to the this city and these fans.

Those tears, and the ever so slight crack in his voice, proved that winning did matter after all.

As fans, we want an owner that wants to win as badly as we do. If we didn't care about having a winning team, what would be the point of even being fans?

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007 01-19-2019 05:58 AM

OK, can we get back to just being excited about the game? JFC

KChiefs1 01-19-2019 06:53 AM

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Can you imagine hooking up with that & the side benefits that go with it? Heaven on [emoji289].

Chiefs Moon 01-19-2019 07:18 AM

I would have liked Clark on the drum and then joined by Joe Montana and then Marcus Allen and then Priest Holmes and then Jamaal Charles. The crowd would lose its collective minds.

Brooklyn 01-19-2019 07:48 AM

Couple things on Clark and the Pioli era he ushered in.

If I’m speculating a reason to take him off the hook for previously being aloof, and explain why he was so publicly emotional last week - self preservation.

He runs a supposedly cursed franchise that can never get out of their own way. It’s expected that the abnormal will occur and keep them from reaching their goal. I mean, as fans, a good amount wouldn’t allow themselves to believe KC was going to win last week. So, until he knew that his team actually was going to compete for the trophy named after his dad, he just shot those thoughts down and didn’t get excited...so as to not get disappointed.

Regarding Pioli, the end was awful, overall it was a completely misguided cluster****, but if you break it down into smaller chunks, and then analyze when Clark stepped in, he doesn’t come out looking so bad.

Year 1 we clean house and start building the program. Double wins from previous year (not hard).

Year 2 we win the AFC WEST.

Year 3 is an epic backslide. Please note, we lost Berry in game 1. Started the season 4-3 but then went on a nasty losing streak which cost Haley his job. Then we immediately beat the undefeated Packers, take the Raiders to OT, and best the piss out of the Broncos in Denver. This looks like something you can *maybe* build off of.

Year 4 is an unmitigated disaster, that regardless of SOC, ended with a starting player making headlines for murder/suicide. Not to mention Reid obviously going to be available from mid season on since the Eagles were also terrible. And when all that happened, Clark stepped in.

So, where along that timeline should he have acted earlier? I’m not saying the Pioli era wasn’t a total fail (and I bought in at the start), but I’m not sure what else he could have done. Probably could have completely cleaned house after the Babb article as it was obvious what was to come at that point, but those last three games maybe made him hedge a little. Scott and Todd were equal parts crazy so maybe he just needed to evaluate a little longer. It’s fair to fault him there, but I can also see a reasonable justification for waiting.


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Bewbies 01-19-2019 12:47 PM

The best part of this (well, not really) Chiefs recovery from Pioli puts us in the Super Bowl in the stadium where Pioli works. I hope he enjoys watching. Piece of shit.

cooper barrett 01-19-2019 01:10 PM

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