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Brock 01-16-2013 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9324291)
I understand that you guys dont know me, so I should probably lay off the sarcasm a bit.

The point is, what else can be done to make the game safer? Donating your brain is great. In the long term what is that going to accomplish? It's going to show more evidence of how violent the game really is. Its going to scare parents off from teaching there kids the game.

Is facing the truth something you often run away from?

Valiant 01-16-2013 12:31 PM

I guess rbs need to learn to quit using their heads as weapons.

ThaVirus 01-16-2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 9324213)
I'll spend a few minutes on this, though God knows why because I damn well know it's a waste of time:

1. until the last few years, nobody really understood just how damaging multiple concussions could be to the quality of life of football players post-career. So yes, they understood the risk of injury, but did they understand that multiple concussions might leave them seriously mentally impaired on a daily basis by the time they were 50? Hell no.

2. You say they are whining and want sympathy. I didn't see any whining there. I saw a bunch of statements of obvious facts, and CONCERN that he MIGHT be in trouble in the future. Like any normal human would be concerned.

3. It seems to me that donating one's brain to scientific study, and discussing this issue, can only help future players and the NFL try to figure out how to play the game in a way that we recognize as football, while trying to avoid having a psychiatric ward full of mentally impaired former NFL players.

What, exactly, did Jones do that was wrong here? Answer: nothing.

But by all means go back to your knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing "he knew da risks, **** 'im" point of view. I'm sure that will be very beneficial to former, current and future NFL players.

Good post. Agree on all points.

bowener 01-16-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by boogblaster (Post 9324510)
suspose his brain never was right .....

So he was born with CTE? As in he suffered countless hits to the head while in the womb?

Dayze 01-16-2013 12:41 PM

here's a question I've wondered.

What sort of ratio do we think the increased concussions are related to?

The improved knowledge, and ability to identify concussion symptoms?

or the god awful NFL tackling? it seems like 90% of the time (probably an exaggeratino) these guys just lauche their heads, head-first - into any big/high speed tackle. ?

Molitoth 01-16-2013 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9324064)
You signed the million dollar contract to get hit in the head thousands of times, nobody forced you to do it. You could have gone a different route with your free college degree. cash your check while the rest of us work 9-5.

Totally this. edited.

DaneMcCloud 01-16-2013 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9324291)
I understand that you guys dont know me, so I should probably lay off the sarcasm a bit.

Bullshit.

You weren't being "sarcastic", at all. Anyone who throws out the "Oh, but they make millions of dollars" is outright jealous.

Furthermore, even THAT is ****ing bullshit. There are guys throughout the league earning less than $100k a year on the practice squad, guys on rookie contracts that received NO signing bonus playing for less than $200k, etc.

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Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9324291)
The point is, what else can be done to make the game safer?

What else? Are you this ****ing reeruned?

How about a brain trauma doctors on the side line of every team that decided when a player can re-enter a game after a violent hit? How about a new helmet design? How about massive fines and suspensions for guys that can't follow the rules and continue to use their head or cause concussions for other players?

Additionally, the players themselves need to be educated about concussions so that they're able to say "Enough".

Reading about Seau's constant headaches and neck pain, along with Fred McCreary's description of what he deals with every day after years of hitting should be mandatory reading.

And donating brains for study will absolutely lead to more cautious decisions of whether or not a child should or shouldn't play football at a young age.

Rausch 01-16-2013 12:44 PM

I'm not sure why this draws the ire.

He was an average player that could help protect NFL players in the future.

Dayze 01-16-2013 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9324627)
I'm not sure why this draws the ire.

He was an average player that could help protect NFL players in the future.

It's because it's CP.

oh, and **** YOU

:D

gblowfish 01-16-2013 12:48 PM

I just wish he'd come back to training camp next summer and beat the crap out of Jon Baldwin.

Ecto-I 01-16-2013 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 9324070)
This will be the end of football. Not the documentary, but the concussions. Mom's and dad's won't want their kids to even start playing because of this. If it can be demonstrated that the sport, played over the course of about 20 years, can screw your brain up like this, parents won't even want their kids to get started in it.

Me, I played until sophomore year. Was a "B" teamer and special teams guy. In other words, I sucked, so I was fodder for the A team. I got my ass kicked a lot, but I stopped at the age of 16. I see no ill effects. But I quit way earlier than these guys.

I dunno. It's depressing.

I don't necessarily agree. You're right that many potential players will be kept out because of the injury risk, however many of these athletes are people for which athletics was their only option to "make it".

A lot of these guys are from low class neighborhoods where the choice is either play sports, or play on the streets. As such, I think football will survive even with growing awareness of long term repercussions.

Hammock Parties 01-16-2013 12:52 PM

I'd like Cassel to donate his brain.

I will keep it alive, suspended in a vat, placing his consciousnesses in eternal hell, feeding his pain receptors constant current.

notorious 01-16-2013 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 9324177)
So let's assume you started when you were at 8 years old, which is about as early as it gets. You played 8 years, total. And when you're young you seriously just aren't moving all that fast. The violence of the collisions increases as you get older.

If Jones started at the same age as you, he played your 8 years, plus 2 more HS years, plus 4 more college, plus 12 pro, so a total of 26 years. More than triple you, and MOST of those were when the action is much, much faster/harder, and the chances of concussion that might higher.

That, more than anything else, is why you're almost definitely fine, and he is probably ****ed.

And I would like to add that ONE NFL hit to the head = Entire High School "career".

Molitoth 01-16-2013 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9324690)
I'd like Cassel to donate his brain.

I will keep it alive, suspended in a vat, placing his consciousnesses in eternal hell, feeding his pain receptors constant current.

ROFL

InChiefsHeaven 01-16-2013 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9324615)
Bullshit.

You weren't being "sarcastic", at all. Anyone who throws out the "Oh, but they make millions of dollars" is outright jealous.

Furthermore, even THAT is ****ing bullshit. There are guys throughout the league earning less than $100k a year on the practice squad, guys on rookie contracts that received NO signing bonus playing for less than $200k, etc.



What else? Are you this ****ing reeruned?

How about a brain trauma doctors on the side line of every team that decided when a player can re-enter a game after a violent hit? How about a new helmet design? How about massive fines and suspensions for guys that can't follow the rules and continue to use their head or cause concussions for other players?

Additionally, the players themselves need to be educated about concussions so that they're able to say "Enough".

Reading about Seau's constant headaches and neck pain, along with Fred McCreary's description of what he deals with every day after years of hitting should be mandatory reading.

And donating brains for study will absolutely lead to more cautious decisions of whether or not a child should or shouldn't play football at a young age.

Agreed. Seems the new helmet technology is already here...or at least much better helmets:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...ion-prevention

Sorry if Q.


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