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DJ's left nut 01-14-2019 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14037192)
I also think one of those extra seconds could be better served trading for a current player on another roster.

With your thoughts on this DJ being what they are, what do you think about moving some picks for a current player that may need resigned? For instance, Patrick Peterson for our 1st or both 2nds?

I would give up a 2nd but not both and not a 1st. Am not moving that 1st with the cap issues we're going to face in the coming years. That's too valuable and this team has demonstrated an excellent track record on 1st round picks.

This season has proven more than anyone could have expected that we simply don't need to build this squad like it's the Alex Smith era Chiefs were there can't be any holes anywhere. This is a team that can 'make due' at a position or two and use talent elsewhere to patch those holes.

It doesn't NEED to make short-term decisions. They can look at immediate short-term issues and address them with long-term solutions.

Every decision should be made over a 5-year return because with Mahomes we can ALWAYS win. If we had Smith and needed a perfect defense and had an aging QB who we needed to win with before he aged out of viability, I'd be more inclined to do so. But with Mahomes, I'm simply not going to go crazy trying address the 'now'.

O.city 01-14-2019 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14037235)
I would give up a 2nd but not both and not a 1st. Am not moving that 1st with the cap issues we're going to face in the coming years. That's too valuable and this team has demonstrated an excellent track record on 1st round picks.

This season has proven more than anyone could have expected that we simply don't need to build this squad like it's the Alex Smith era Chiefs were there can't be any holes anywhere. This is a team that can 'make due' at a position or two and use talent elsewhere to patch those holes.

It doesn't NEED to make short-term decisions. They can look at immediate short-term issues and address them with long-term solutions.

Every decision should be made over a 5-year return because with Mahomes we can ALWAYS win. If we had Smith and needed a perfect defense and had an aging QB who we needed to win with before he aged out of viability, I'd be more inclined to do so. But with Mahomes, I'm simply not going to go crazy trying address the 'now'.

That's a little bit to where I've shifted, especially lately.

I was looking around at free agency and such and while i'm guessing they're enamored with Earl Thomas, there are a couple other guys i'd be more interested in.

I think you may have to sign Ford first off, likely tag him atleast. I kind of like Brandon graham but he may be a little redundant.

O.city 01-14-2019 11:13 AM

That's also why I'm not sure I'd scoff at the idea of a high end offensive player in the first round.

Hell, I'm talking myself into a RB in the late 30's.

The Franchise 01-14-2019 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14037239)
That's a little bit to where I've shifted, especially lately.

I was looking around at free agency and such and while i'm guessing they're enamored with Earl Thomas, there are a couple other guys i'd be more interested in.

I think you may have to sign Ford first off, likely tag him atleast. I kind of like Brandon graham but he may be a little redundant.

Are we going to have the cap space though? You figure that we're either going to tag Ford or give him a new deal. Hill is going to need a new deal, as well as Jones (yes, you don't need to do them right now).

As it stands right now, we'll have roughly $37 million in cap space. Tag Ford and now you're down to $22 million.

DJ's left nut 01-14-2019 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14037239)
That's a little bit to where I've shifted, especially lately.

I was looking around at free agency and such and while i'm guessing they're enamored with Earl Thomas, there are a couple other guys i'd be more interested in.

I think you may have to sign Ford first off, likely tag him atleast. I kind of like Brandon graham but he may be a little redundant.

I've said for most of this season that if I could get Ford signed with a $16 million/season AAV and a bail at 3 years, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

That horse has left the barn though. I still say discuss a LTC but if you can't get it done this year, you cannot get it done at all. Do NOT tag the man and then make a deal the following season. For the love of all things holy, please FINALLY learn something from Houston and Berry.

DJ's left nut 01-14-2019 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14037241)
That's also why I'm not sure I'd scoff at the idea of a high end offensive player in the first round.

Hell, I'm talking myself into a RB in the late 30's.

Well that's just stupid.

O.city 01-14-2019 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14037247)
I've said for most of this season that if I could get Ford signed with a $16 million/season AAV and a bail at 3 years, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

That horse has left the barn though. I still say discuss a LTC but if you can't get it done this year, you cannot get it done at all. Do NOT tag the man and then make a deal the following season. For the love of all things holy, please FINALLY learn something from Houston and Berry.

Yeah, I'd tag him for a year and look to draft a replacement. Ideally you've got Speaks and Tanoh but i'm not overly excited there.

I'm also talking myself into signing Sheldon Richardson. Is that bad.

O.city 01-14-2019 11:17 AM

Preston Smith is interesting at OLB and Z'Darius Smith.

The Franchise 01-14-2019 11:19 AM

No ****ing RBs until Round 4 or later.

O.city 01-14-2019 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14037250)
Well that's just stupid.

Not a 30 year old RB.

But a late first round pick on a RB? I dunno. No?

Maybe a 2nd?

DJ's left nut 01-14-2019 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14037252)
Yeah, I'd tag him for a year and look to draft a replacement. Ideally you've got Speaks and Tanoh but i'm not overly excited there.

I'm also talking myself into signing Sheldon Richardson. Is that bad.

They suck.

You have talked yourself into drafting, trading for or signing Sheldon Richardson every year for the last 6 years. How is this any different? You have yourself a hard-on for a guy who you'd never remember but/for the recruiting saga we went through at Mizzou. I'm not convinced he has EVER been worth the headaches that he's brought along with him everywhere he's gone.

In 2014 he was probably everything you've built him up in your mind to be, but apart from that he has never been what he was advertised as in college or the NFL. Just let him go, man.

O.city 01-14-2019 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14037264)
They suck.

You have talked yourself into drafting, trading for or signing Sheldon Richardson every year for the last 6 years. How is this any different? You have yourself a hard-on for a guy who you'd never remember but/for the recruiting saga we went through at Mizzou. I'm not convinced he has EVER been worth the headaches that he's brought along with him everywhere he's gone.

In 2014 he was probably everything you've built him up in your mind to be, but apart from that he has never been what he was advertised as in college or the NFL. Just let him go, man.

First off, I'm no MU fan. I vaguely remember the recruiting stuff. But you're probably right.

I just have visions of him at the 3 tech next to Ford and Jones.

DJ's left nut 01-14-2019 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14037261)
Not a 30 year old RB.

But a late first round pick on a RB? I dunno. No?

Maybe a 2nd?

No. Damien Williams is just further proof of what a monumental waste of resources a 1st round RB would be with this staff and this roster.

There are positions we struggle to make work well even WITH fantastic talent. RB ain't one of 'em. We can turn 3rd rounders and/or UDFA's into viable starters. Why the hell would we ever throw a 1st rounder at one when even a reliable veteran back costs dick on the open market and a guy like CJ Anderson - who was literally unemployed 6 weeks ago - can dominate a post-season game.

Quit it, dammit. You're just wrong here.

The Franchise 01-14-2019 11:24 AM

If we can pull it off.....I'm taking Jerry Tillery at the bottom of the 1st.

Tillery - Nnadi - Jones

DJ's left nut 01-14-2019 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 14037277)
If we can pull it off.....I'm taking Jerry Tillery at the bottom of the 1st.

Tillery - Nnadi - Jones

I'd be on board with that as a fallback position if I don't think White or Thompson are viable trade-up targets. And I might actually prefer that to Thompson (who I think is good, but maybe just a product of being my favorite target at a position that has murdered us this season more than being a truly elite prospect).

I still just keep drooling over what this offense could be with a guy like Irv Smith running alongside Kelce. That's a serious failure to keep my eye on the ball; I get it. It's some Mike Martz shit. But this offense could be absolutely unstoppable with Smith out there with Kelce, Hill and Watson. And while nobody likes to think of what life without Kelce may look like, I still remember our offense dying when he got hurt against TN. A viable backup and potential replacement if a contract can't be reached would be nice.

And when a defensive guru like Belichick still exists and specializes in taking away the thing you most want to have - good luck with that one, BB. You go ahead and try to figure out how to neutralize Kelce when you have another specimen like Smith roaming the field and Hill looking to take the top off.

:drool::drool:


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