1st round QBs vs 2nd round QBs: a 20 year comparison
 

1st round QBs.

Out of 52 QBs: 16 Pro Browlers, 20 with winning records, 13 Super Bowl appearances, 7 Super Bowl rings. 17 with at least 100 TD passes.

2nd round QBs

Out of 22 QBs: 3 Pro Bowlers, 8 with winning records, 2 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Super Bowl ring. 2 with at least 100 TD passes.

Note: Five of the "winners" from the second round were Colin Kapernick, Kordell Stewart, Shaun King, Quincy Carter and Todd Collins.

So, what you are telling me is drafting a LT number one overall and waiting till the 2nd to take a QB is TOO RISKY!!

With the new rookie payscale drafting a LT #1 is just stupid.

This is all a moot point. In 2012 it was decided that the qb was the most important position in football.

Especially when you have a top 10 LT and 2 guys drafted in the first 3 rounds last year that can play the position. Yet it's considered "good value" to piss all of those players away.

Shaun King was da Truth!

Brees pretty much dominated these stats and he would have been a first round pick in today's NFL (pick #32).

And it should be noted he won the only ring in the 2nd round with a team that didn't draft him...

and he was the 1st pick in the 2nd, if I recall

Its 2009 all over again, expect the stats keep looking better and better for the first round quarterbacks.

if anything, it just further solidifies the opinion by many that the Chiefs have been colossal pussies the last 43 years.

Wouldn't be bit surprised to see Cam Newton VS Andrew Luck Super Bowl 2014

lolwut?

It's going to take at least 2-3 years just for the Panthers to get out of the cap hell that they're in.

Cam might want to think about having a winning season first.

Or at least .500.

I knew Assweiler was destined for failure and this all but confirms it. Better order extra stem cells for the new season.

So, we take Andrew Luck, right?

But if wes take a QB n da 1st we no acn hav the TeeBoe's dat just win gaemz!!! And Joker to blok 4 him!!!

Fixed your post.

Wonder how many of the 32 QB's taken in the first round with losing records were reaches and were not really 1st round talent?

That's hard to say. How do you qualify first round talent? Is it purely physical talent? Because if you're just grading based on physical talent, guys like Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell are surefire first round talents. So are later picks like Rex Grossman, Kyle Boller, JP Losman and Daunte Culpepper.

Picking a QB, like any position in the draft, is a crapshoot.

But hey, it sure is a good thing the Chiefs didn't reach for Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco or Josh Freeman when they picked DJ, Dorsey and Jackson!!!

None of them, obviously. The chiefs haven't drafted a qb in the 1st round since Blackledge.

So you are saying if Matt Cazle was picked in the 1st round we would have gone to the super Bowl already?

Pro Bowl: 1st round: 30.7% (16 of 52) 2nd round: 13.6% (3 of 22) = 1st round wins by large margin

Winning Record: 1st round: 38.4% (20 of 52) 2nd round: 36.3% (8 of 22) = Push

Super Bowl Appearance: 1st round: 25% (13 of 52) 2nd round: 9% (2 of 22) = 1st round wins by large margin

Super Bowl Wins: 1st round: 13.4% (7 of 52) 2nd round: 4.5% (1 of 22) = 1st round wins by large margin

At Least 100 TD passes: 1st round: 32.6% (17 of 52) 2nd round: 9% (2 of 22) = 1st round wins by large margin

any QB picked top 10 like Leaf or Russel would go 1st round in any year. Guys with pure physical abilities like that will always go high. Measurables still matter and always will. Why? Because those guys have the highest percentage of success.


guys picked later in the 1st round, like JP losman, Druckenmiller, etc.....its questionable whether they would be a 1st round pick in another year......varies depending on the talent available each year. Some drafts are strong, others very weak.

7 Super Bowl Rings - does that mean total SB wins by 1st round QBs, or that there are 7 1st round QBs who have won a SB?

and how many duplicates are there...ex.of the 52 how many show up more than once in each category?

It's 16 individual Pro Bowlers, 20 individual winners and 13 combined Super Bowl appearances and 7 combined rings.

Reh-spek!

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So 13, or 65%, of the last 20 Superbowls were won by non-first round QB's?

Is there any other particular round that is strong, or are the remaining 13 spread between the other rounds equally?

Hard to say. Might be interesting to see what the sats are for back-up college TE's playing QB in the NFL. Maybe we should be all over WVU's backup TE instead of Geno. :shrug:

Yeah.... I'm stealing these stats. Wish I could Rep from my phone.
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I've seen these stats before. Tom Brady completely ****s everything up.

That don't work for me neither!

Yup...

Ah, yeah, him and Kurt Warner. Good point.

Good lawd! I knew he was a backup... but a backup TE?!?!?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

@nfldraftscout
Interesting note: Russell Wilson (5'11", 206 lb). Johnny Manziel (6'0", 200 lb).

No. 13 Super Bowl rings for FIRST ROUND QUARTERBACKS in the last 20 years.

Last 20 Super Bowls

14 - 1st round QB
1 - Drew Brees, pick #32
3 - Tom Brady, 6th round
2 - FA QBs Dilfer and Johnson backed by elite defenses

Thought you said 13

I didn't account for Steve Young, who won a SB in 1994, but was drafted well before.

I'm guessing you're only listing the winners.

If you include all SB participants the 1st round argument becomes even stronger...

Of the 14 1st round QBs.....how many of them won the SB with the team that drafted them?

So you didn't accurately do your homework before posting some diatribe of bullshit....

A resounding majority.

http://www.docsports.com/current/sup...rterbacks.html

Doesn't include Flacco

lmao!
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No, the original question was: out of the last 20 drafts, how many Super Bowl rings for 1st round QBs.

The answer is 13.

Now if you ask the OTHER question: out of the last 20 Super Bowls, how many won by 1st round QBs.

The answer is 14.

Here's a third question: why did you pop out of a cow's womb instead of a human's?

bwa-hahahahahahaha
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I need a 20 year study on each position before making any conclusions.

Wait I ****ed this all up. It's 13 APPEARANCES and 7 rings out of the last 20 drafts.

Thanks for reading.

**** yourselves.

14/20 winners were from the 1st round though, including guys drafted way earlier than the last 20 years. Elway, etc.

I never figured you for a math guy...

Good thing you guys are taking a NT then and not a LT.

Last 10 years

Joe Flacco (1) vs. Colin Kaepernick (2)
Eli Manning (1) vs. Tom Brady (6)
Aaron Rodgers (1) vs. Ben Roethlisberger (1)
Drew Brees (2) vs. Peyton Manning (1)
Ben Roethlisberger (1) vs. Kurt Warner (U)
Eli Manning (1) vs. Tom Brady (6)
Peyton Manning (1) vs. Rex Grossman (1)
Matt Hasselbeck (6) vs. Ben Roethlisberger (1)
Tom Brady (6) vs. Donovan McNabb (1)
Jake Delhomme (U) vs. Tom Brady (6)

Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Kurt Warner, Trent Dilfer...didn't.

Good thing your team has not been relevant since Brunell, and probably nevar will be again, yes...
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Got it. Thanks, sorry for the confusion.

Now go back to work on how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop

Brees and Warner were not 1st round picks.

last year I think, I did a comparison of the elite teams that had won a SB (or been to one I think) and there was only like 2 lineman in the past 10 yrs + that were drafted in the 1st on those teams.

true fans weep.

This thread is completely confusing now.

Just ****ing draft Geno before our brains turn to mush.

You mean other than us beating the Steelers in the playoffs with Garrard and almost beating the Patriots to go to the AFC championship game for the third time?

To be fair, he was actually a backup QB. But IIRC, his only real playing time came at the TE position. Could be wrong, but that is what I seem to remember.

Last time I checked......Superbowls are the only things that matter. How many of those do you have again?

No one here gives a $3it about ALMOST...

In the last 40 years? The same amount as the Chiefs!

A ****ing Chiefs fans talking Super Bowl superiority with one of the youngest teams in the league lol

I never mentioned the Chiefs douchebag.

Show me where that "almost" column is next to the wins and losses column.

i just needed to use this gif today

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In the last 20 SBs:

14 were won by a 1st round QB
8 of them were still playing for the team that drafted them

9 were lost by a first round QB
8 of them were still playing for the team that drafted them

7 1st round QBs have made it to the SB on a team other than the one that drafted them, all but 1 (Kerry Collins) won. He happened to be playing another 1st round QB on his second team.

In light of this, I am predicting a Super Bowl win for the Broncos.

Dilfer was a 1st rounder. Favre wasn't.

Yes but the Packers acquired him with a 1st round pick. It's basically the same thing.

A year later. It doesn't make him a 1st round pick.

It's the same ****ing ballpark.

So youre going on record that the donkeys finish with a 12-4 regular season record, not 13-3?

Isn't this exactly what you're trying to argue against? The #34 pick is right in the same ballpark as a first round pick, so why not just take a QB there?

I would certainly feel much more comfortable with that, yes.

:evil:

You're not gonna find anyone here complaining if we trade a first for Colin Kaepernick.

Bull****ingshit!

Make a poll, find out.

It's not that big a deal.

Regardless of the hairs we want to split on this, first-round QBs are the truth.

Your expansion team is SO cuddly-cute...
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