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Sassy Squatch 10-15-2018 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 13819300)
...with the best QB.

Guess which matters more?

****ing come on. You seem like a smart guy but this negativity is dumb. You're coming off like you'd prefer a brand new and shiny Nissan than a used Ferrari.
I didn't know we could only have one or the other. My bad.

Halfcan 10-15-2018 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13819270)
I'm really curious about how our scouting is so good on offense and special teams and so bad on defense. We're plucking offensive and special teams gems in middle and late rounds, yet can't get a decent defensive player in early rounds. Who's making the final scouting recommendations on defensive talent acquisition?
Excellent point! Not to mention Veech felt like he should burn draft stock and move up to get these guys. :rolleyes:

FAX 10-15-2018 09:39 AM
I refuse to be dragged into pessimism. I've had innumerable seasons of sorrow and despair and, as far as I'm concerned, I've paid my dues.

For the first time in a very, very long time, the future is actually bright and I can see the sun of hope shining through the clouds of misery. I don't want to ruin that feeling by sulking over a 43 to 40 loss to the Pats and officials at Foxborough.

The Chiefs have no reason to hang their heads over this game. None. Wally simply needs to aggravate the living hell out of Mahomes before kickoff each week because it's obvious he plays better when he's pissed.

FAX

Halfcan 10-15-2018 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 13819335)
I refuse to be dragged into pessimism. I've had innumerable seasons of sorrow and despair and, as far as I'm concerned, I've paid my dues.

For the first time in a very, very long time, the future is actually bright and I can see the sun of hope shining through the clouds of misery. I don't want to ruin that feeling by sulking over a 43 to 40 loss to the Pats and officials at Foxborough.

The Chiefs have no reason to hang their heads over this game. None. Wally simply needs to aggravate the living hell out of Mahomes before kickoff each week because it's obvious he plays better when he's pissed.

FAX
Great post!

And plus Mahomes proved if we need a TD in 12 seconds- he and Hill can gt it done. Mahomes was amazing the second half. Best QB in the NFL right now despite a few speed bumps as he learns.

CupidStunt 10-15-2018 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13819328)
I didn't know we could only have one or the other. My bad.
Well, if that's your expectation, there's nothing much I can say. Maybe that's my expectation 2 years from now.

Eagles - drafted Wentz #2 overall, had been drafting well on D for years, basically a perfect storm - and it came together in Wentz' 2nd year as the starter

Vikings - spent years and $$$ building a D, had a terrible QB situation, now they paid a billion for one, good for them - again, a couple years ahead of KC in the process

That's it. The Rams are not good on defense. I would not trade our entire roster for either of those above, because their advantages on D do not nearly outweigh us having Mahomes. The Vikes have a lot of pieces on offense too with their WR, but Mahomes and his age and contract >>>>>> Cousins.

In theory, we could be be an infinitely better team next year, the same on offense but with multiple upgrades on defense.

This train has barely even started and will only gain speed.

Marcellus 10-15-2018 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13819237)
Can you point to a single move in the 2018 offseason and say Veach did a good job? All I can see is Nnadi and getting a sucker to trade for Smith.
All you see is the decision to trade Smith and go with Mahomes?

LMAO yea that was nothing.

DRM08 10-15-2018 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 13819300)
...with the best QB.

Guess which matters more?

****ing come on. You seem like a smart guy but this negativity is dumb. You're coming off like you'd prefer a brand new and shiny Nissan than a used Ferrari.
They are paying chump change for the QB. Not too much to ask for a halfway decent defense. Front office hasn’t done a good job with it.

CupidStunt 10-15-2018 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 13819323)
I love Veech- but he has failed us on the defensive side of the ball so far.

Prime example- 2 of our worst defensive players from the last few years - Zombo and Parker are still starters on this shit defensive squad. Seriously? Veech could not find the 100th worse players to take over for the 129th worst?

He needs to start over after this year. Fire Sutton and bring in a young aggressive D coordinator that can begin a Real rebuild from the bottom up. Let the new guy bring in an entirely new staff.

Make the hard choices like- Cutting Berry- take the HUGE cap loss which will suck, but he hasn't played in forever and can't even get himself on the practice field. This contract will haunt us for several more years. There is no reason he should keep taking up a roster spot.

Move Fuller back to the slot where he was a stud.

Force Houston to restructure or cut him. His production does not come close to matching his paycheck.

Cut Ragland, Scandrick, Parker, Zombo, Sorensen.

All of these points have been gone over many, many times on here, so it is not new info.

Let's see how much of this list Veech actually gets done by kickoff of next year.
I agree with most of what you said. It's too early to shit on Veach but he needs to start making the correct chess moves to complement a championship-caliber offense.

We are not cutting Berry, though. He literally costs more against the cap to cut than keep. Let's just pray he finally plays sometime soon.

Sassy Squatch 10-15-2018 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 13819386)
All you see is the decision to trade Smith and go with Mahomes?

LMAO yea that was nothing.
Smith was gone regardless of what we got for him. He gets credit for the decent trade compensation.

Halfcan 10-15-2018 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 13819389)
I agree with most of what you said. It's too early to shit on Veach but he needs to start making the correct chess moves to complement a championship-caliber offense.

We are not cutting Berry, though. He literally costs more against the cap to cut than keep. Let's just pray he finally plays sometime soon.
That was a list of things discussed in several different threads.

I love Berry, but have lost faith he will be the player he once was. It has been a long time since his game-winning interception in Atlanta.

When your highest paid player hasn't played in 2 years it is time to move on.

That cap hit is going to hurt.

Rain Man 10-15-2018 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 13819377)
Well, if that's your expectation, there's nothing much I can say. Maybe that's my expectation 2 years from now.

Eagles - drafted Wentz #2 overall, had been drafting well on D for years, basically a perfect storm - and it came together in Wentz' 2nd year as the starter

Vikings - spent years and $$$ building a D, had a terrible QB situation, now they paid a billion for one, good for them - again, a couple years ahead of KC in the process

That's it. The Rams are not good on defense. I would not trade our entire roster for either of those above, because their advantages on D do not nearly outweigh us having Mahomes. The Vikes have a lot of pieces on offense too with their WR, but Mahomes and his age and contract >>>>>> Cousins.

In theory, we could be be an infinitely better team next year, the same on offense but with multiple upgrades on defense.

This train has barely even started and will only gain speed.
If I'm the GM next year, I'm drafting nothing but pass rushers and ILBs, and maybe a safety.

Interestingly, that's kind of what Veach did this year, but they're not really getting onto the field other than Speaks. But the good news is that they understood exactly what their needs were. It's just that their scouting wasn't good (though I'm still holding out hope that the rookies will develop).

Pasta Little Brioni 10-15-2018 10:12 AM
It does suck guys like Hali, DJ, Berry, and Houston became worthless right when we get an offensive juggernaut.

Sassy Squatch 10-15-2018 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 13819377)
Well, if that's your expectation, there's nothing much I can say. Maybe that's my expectation 2 years from now.

Eagles - drafted Wentz #2 overall, had been drafting well on D for years, basically a perfect storm - and it came together in Wentz' 2nd year as the starter

Vikings - spent years and $$$ building a D, had a terrible QB situation, now they paid a billion for one, good for them - again, a couple years ahead of KC in the process

That's it. The Rams are not good on defense. I would not trade our entire roster for either of those above, because their advantages on D do not nearly outweigh us having Mahomes. The Vikes have a lot of pieces on offense too with their WR, but Mahomes and his age and contract >>>>>> Cousins.

In theory, we could be be an infinitely better team next year, the same on offense but with multiple upgrades on defense.

This train has barely even started and will only gain speed.
I don't expect to field a good defense. I do, however, think there are moves that could be made on the trade market right now that just might help us avoid this current path of being one of the worst defenses in history.

The Franchise 10-15-2018 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13819443)
I don't expect to field a good defense. I do, however, think there are moves that could be made on the trade market right now that just might help us avoid this current path of being one of the worst defenses in history.
I'd be finding a way to bring in Peterson and Reddick....and cut Ragland.

pugsnotdrugs19 10-15-2018 10:23 AM
One thing I am annoyed with—the run defense was remarkably better in the last quarter when they were actually giving max effort. It showed in every way.

Like just ****ing do that from the start.

Sassy Squatch 10-15-2018 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13819447)
I'd be finding a way to bring in Peterson and Reddick....and cut Ragland.
1st and 4th for the 2 of them. Do it?

OKchiefs 10-15-2018 10:24 AM
I can't find myself being too encouraged until I see more from this complete shit of a rookie class. Speaks has been the most productive but is still a JAG. Nnadi I guess is okay for where he was taken. Where the **** is Dorian O'Daniel? Wasn't he supposed to be a perfect solution for playing linebacker in nickle and dime situations? He goes from 2 snaps in a game to 7 snaps last week and then zero yesterday. I'm guessing the guy probably isn't that intelligent if he still can't pick up the defense.

The Franchise 10-15-2018 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13819459)
One thing I am annoyed with—the run defense was remarkably better in the last quarter when they were actually giving max effort. It showed in every way.

Like just ****ing do that from the start.
Sutton is ****ed no matter what he runs at this point. Sell out to stop the run? Your back end isn't going to cover anyone. Sell out to stop the pass? Get destroyed on the ground for 10 ypc.

The Franchise 10-15-2018 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13819462)
1st and 4th for the 2 of them. Do it?
Don't have a 4th.

FAX 10-15-2018 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13819470)
Sutton is ****ed no matter what he runs at this point. Sell out to stop the run? Your back end isn't going to cover anyone. Sell out to stop the pass? Get destroyed on the ground for 10 ypc.
That's pretty much it, really.

The entire situation tied up in a single post.

Well said, Mr. The Pest.

FAX

RunKC 10-15-2018 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13819459)
One thing I am annoyed with—the run defense was remarkably better in the last quarter when they were actually giving max effort. It showed in every way.

Like just ****ing do that from the start.
They did and Brady play actioned and killed us. LB’s look stuck trying to figure out which play they were going to.

This team needs Eric Berry back against these guys.

Sassy Squatch 10-15-2018 10:32 AM
1st and 4th 3rd for the 2 of them. Do it?

The Franchise 10-15-2018 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13819504)
1st and 4th 3rd for the 2 of them. Do it?
To get Peterson and Reddick? I'd offer them our 1st this year and a 3rd round pick next year.

Sassy Squatch 10-15-2018 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13819508)
To get Peterson and Reddick? I'd offer them our 1st this year and a 3rd round pick next year.
Yes. Both of them have 2.5 years left of relative cost control on their current deals and Reddick has the 5th year option available.

carcosa 10-15-2018 10:34 AM
I am still optimistic!

carcosa 10-15-2018 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13819508)
To get Peterson and Reddick? I'd offer them our 1st this year and a 3rd round pick next year.
I'd offer them my 1st born

Nzoner 10-15-2018 11:23 AM
Only kind of encouraged?

Hell I'm off the charts super encouraged,we finally have our own golden boy who is 6-1 in his first seven starts and looks like he's been playing in the NFL for years.He just went toe to toe with the NFL GOAT and although that championship may not come this season I can tell you this.......

THE FUTURES SO BRIGHT WE GOTTA WEAR SHADES

carcosa 10-15-2018 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Nzoner (Post 13819731)
Only kind of encouraged?

Hell I'm off the charts super encouraged,we finally have our own golden boy who is 6-1 in his first seven starts and looks like he's been playing in the NFL for years.He just went toe to toe with the NFL GOAT and although that championship may not come this season I can tell you this.......

THE FUTURES SO BRIGHT WE GOTTA WEAR SHADES
Same!

Bugeater 10-15-2018 11:25 AM
Oh shit...they got Joe...

suzzer99 10-15-2018 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 13818991)
So, do you think they are bitching about their defense in Boston this morning? After all, they let an inexperienced QB score 31 points in the 2nd half and almost lost that game...

...goes both ways. OUr defense sucks, but I'm sure that the Pats fans are feeling the same about theirs. Thing is, they won't see another offense like ours,and we won't see another one like theirs (in their house).
The difference is they know they have Belichick - who will have the D playing to top potential by playoff time and probably scheme just good enough to win.

mnchiefsguy 10-15-2018 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13818748)
One of the most satifying loses I can ever remember. If only speaks had made the sack instead of turning the goat loose it might have ended differently.
There was a flag on the play against us, so it would not have mattered. Pats declined the penalty since Brady scored.

Nzoner 10-15-2018 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 13819736)
Oh shit...they got Joe...
Like I told Katie when she was here last week,"I still think the game is shady as hell but no matter if it means getting to experience a championship,I'll take it."

Bugeater 10-15-2018 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Nzoner (Post 13819749)
Like I told Katie when she was here last week,"I still think the game is shady as hell but no matter if it means getting to experience a championship,I'll take it."
Not me. I can't enjoy it if I'm questioning it.

redfan 10-15-2018 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 13819756)
Not me. I can't enjoy it if I'm questioning it.
Why is that? Nothing you do nor anyone on this board can do that will change the outcomes, so sit back and enjoy. Even if it ain't "real". The NFL has been giving WWE a run for their money for years in terms of manufactured drama. The action on the field used to be enough to garner attention, not so anymore.

Bugeater 10-15-2018 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by redhed (Post 13819808)
Why is that? Nothing you do nor anyone on this board can do that will change the outcomes, so sit back and enjoy. Even if it ain't "real". The NFL has been giving WWE a run for their money for years in terms of manufactured drama. The action on the field used to be enough to garner attention, not so anymore.
You know, that's a fair question. I suppose it comes down to pride. I don't like the fact that I allowed myself to be fooled for so long.

carcosa 10-15-2018 11:59 AM
I think it's exciting that we finally have a QB good enough to earn some of that favorable bullshit that other teams have benefited from.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 10-15-2018 12:11 PM
The best loss for PMII's development. No shame losing in Fox borough. Hell of a good try in second half

CupidStunt 10-15-2018 12:31 PM
Kind of? Every time I come back and see this thread, I say to myself, kind of?

To beat us, it took: a last-drive comeback, the best QB in NFL history, the best coach in NFL history, being in their stadium, 0 penalties, us having multiple starting OL and defenders out, and Mahomes making uncharacteristic, not-likely-to-be-repeated first half mistakes.

I'm ****ing pumped to keep wrecking the league.

carcosa 10-15-2018 12:40 PM
I do like that the prevalent media take is that this is setting up an epic rematch. Lesser Chiefs teams would have been (usually rightfully) called frauds.

Nobody thought the Steelers loss last year was setting up an epic rematch, that's for sure.

Marcellus 10-15-2018 12:43 PM
In the immortal words of Eddie Murphy -

"My dick don't get any harder than this."


Me today at lunch.

https://media.giphy.com/media/gDmGb11i5KRs4/giphy.gif

Nzoner 10-15-2018 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by redhed (Post 13819808)
Why is that? Nothing you do nor anyone on this board can do that will change the outcomes, so sit back and enjoy. Even if it ain't "real". The NFL has been giving WWE a run for their money for years in terms of manufactured drama. The action on the field used to be enough to garner attention, not so anymore.
:thumb:

You knew when the NFL ran the teaser ad for the game about a QB that plays the game like a video game the viewers were in for a treat and they did not disappoint.

NJChiefsFan 10-15-2018 05:16 PM
I look at it this way.
-Patriots were jacked up for this game
-We had a bunch of key injuries
-We had 4 legit chances at TD's in the first half and GOT 9 POINTS!!!!
-Mahomes looked poor and handed Brady 7 points(If you consider that play essentially a score for the Pats defense, and I don't think that's a major stretch, then the Pats defense scored 7 points in the first half and we scored 9. Thats a net of 2 POINTS!)
-We got FG's and they got TD's

Yet we literally were tied and even winning in the 4th quarter. That says something.

Look, we all want to win. But I'm thinking about this. Imagine if we play them again in KC in the playoffs. How jacked up will our crowd be, our team be, if we have a second chance? Or even if we play them in NE? I think about the opposite. If we beat them, how tough would it be to do it a 3rd time in a row?

I try not to kid myself, and of course I want to win. Would be great to be 2.5 games up in the division and a big lead for the 1 seed. But is it not possible that for a team like KC it's better to have the pressure off if we play them again?

The most encouraging part of this game is how much went wrong, with who was out, for us to still be tied with 3 minutes left. I also loved how Brady sprinted to Mahomes after the game. Complete conjecture here but it came off to me like he knows what Mahomes will eventually be.


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