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pugsnotdrugs19 02-05-2019 08:59 AM

Dane Brugler Mock 3.0 (Chiefs picks R1/R2)
 
This mock is from Brugler at The Athletic. I like his analysis quite a bit, I’m just posting the Chiefs selections that he suggested.

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29. Kansas City Chiefs – Nasir Adderley, FS, Delaware
With cornerback feet and the required toughness at safety, Adderley projects as a starting free safety in the NFL, doing his best work from single-high. Not that it matters, but it doesn’t hurt that Chiefs general manager Brett Veach is a former Delaware Blue Hen as well.

61. Kansas City Chiefs – JJ Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford
Adding Arcega-Whiteside with Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins and Travis Kelce might lock up a few more MVP awards for Patrick Mahomes.

63. Kansas City Chiefs (from Los Angeles Rams) – Lonnie Johnson, CB, Kentucky
The Chiefs found an undrafted gem with Charvarius Ward, but more cornerback depth is needed, and Johnson has the size/length they covet.

Thoughts?

staylor26 02-05-2019 09:21 AM

I like the 1st but not a fan of the 2nd round picks at all

O.city 02-05-2019 09:36 AM

I don't know about using the Chiefs previous likes when selecting players, they have a whole new defensive staff, or atleast I think they will.

warrior 02-05-2019 09:43 AM

First pick is great-wouldn't go that route on the 61st or 64th picks

htismaqe 02-05-2019 09:57 AM

Not sure I like the first 2nd rounder. The second 2nd-rounder seems to be a "measurables" pick - I'm not sure they'll covet that kind of size anymore with Spags in charge of the defense, at least not at the cost of other attributes.

I love the 1st round pick though.

DJ's left nut 02-05-2019 10:30 AM

Fine with Adderley and Johnson. He left Irv Smith, Mack Wilson and Deionte Thompson on the board at our 1. Devin Bush slid all the way to 44, Riley Ridley to 49 and Trayvon Mullen to 55.

I think Arcega-Whiteside is defensible at this point in the draft but just not the right fit for this team. He's another Conley sort of longer, high point kind of contested catch receiver and that's just not what Andy tends to do, IMO.

Maybe they see him as a better version of Conley and can use him in the red zone and to move the chains (probably how they HOPED to use Conley and it just didn't quite work out).

Amani Oruwariye falls all the way out of the 2nd in his mock, though. If the Chiefs had a shot to get Oruwariye and Johnson, I honestly think they'd do it. I guess I like Johnson a little more than most though. At least one of those guys will hit the field game ready to start the season and the other can push Ward to keep them all sharp.

You do have some issues with deep speed with that duo, though. I just think that Spags preference for the cover 3 will help address some of those shortcomings with scheme and you can use the length and ball-skills that both guys have to pretty good effect underneath. Forcing teams into situations where they have to challenge us downfield is the way to go, IMO. Bottle up the short shit, force QBs into riskier throws and deeper drops.

You could do that with those 2 DBs and especially with Adderley patrolling CF.

The Franchise 02-05-2019 10:39 AM

Walterfootball has his latest mock out. The first round pick ****ing sucks....but if the 2nd fell like he has it.....****.

29. Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson
61. Nasir Adderley, S, Delaware
64. Devin Bush, LB, Michigan

In his mock....we would have a shot at either Irv Smith or Amani Oruwariye at the end of the 1st. Give me either of those and then that 2nd round.....and I'm ****ing ecstatic.

DJ's left nut 02-05-2019 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14091649)
Walterfootball has his latest mock out. The first round pick ****ing sucks....but if the 2nd fell like he has it.....****.

29. Dexter Lawrence, DT, Clemson
61. Nasir Adderley, S, Delaware
64. Devin Bush, LB, Michigan

In his mock....we would have a shot at either Irv Smith or Amani Oruwariye at the end of the 1st. Give me either of those and then that 2nd round.....and I'm ****ing ecstatic.

Walter Football's rankings right now are completely worthless, IMO.

There's no !@#$ing way we get Adderley and Bush at the back of the 2nd. We'd be lucky if 1 of them get there, let alone both.

If it came together like that I wonder if you could just convince whoever took Irv Smith that they'd rather have Dexter Lawrence and just make a swap. It won't, but it would be funny to think about.

O.city 02-05-2019 11:00 AM

Theres just no damn way it works like that right? I mean, maybe I'm overrating the shit out of Bush and Adderley, but theres no damn way.

DJ's left nut 02-05-2019 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14091679)
Theres just no damn way it works like that right? I mean, maybe I'm overrating the shit out of Bush and Adderley, but theres no damn way.

I think you are overrating Bush a little. It's not impossible that he falls to the back of the 2nd, IMO.

And I guess Adderley's small school background could also push him back there, but he just jumps off the tape.

I guess I look at this as a combined probability thing. I give it 1 in 3 chances that Bush gets there and maybe 1 in 5 that Adderley does. For both of them to fall you're talking a 1/15 chance and those are just damn long odds.

I think the 2nd is where you may see a ricochet if the 1st goes offense heavy. But if the first does go offense heavy, you're going to see some reaches in there. The OL seems to be the only place where I see real quality 1st round depth on the offensive side of the ball.

The more I dig, the more down on this draft I get. Just not a huge fan of really any position group. OL and DL seems like the standout position groups.

O.city 02-05-2019 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14091708)
I think you are overrating Bush a little. It's not impossible that he falls to the back of the 2nd, IMO.

And I guess Adderley's small school background could also push him back there, but he just jumps off the tape.

I guess I look at this as a combined probability thing. I give it 1 in 3 chances that Bush gets there and maybe 1 in 5 that Adderley does. For both of them to fall you're talking a 1/15 chance and those are just damn long odds.

I think the 2nd is where you may see a ricochet if the 1st goes offense heavy. But if the first does go offense heavy, you're going to see some reaches in there. The OL seems to be the only place where I see real quality 1st round depth on the offensive side of the ball.

The more I dig, the more down on this draft I get. Just not a huge fan of really any position group. OL and DL seems like the standout position groups.

I would love if Bush were sitting there at 60 whatever when we pick. Run up there and pick him. A lot of this will depend on the combine so we'll see.

I'm curious how everyone would feel about taking a G or a DL at 29. Seems it could line up.

The Franchise 02-05-2019 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14091711)
I would love if Bush were sitting there at 60 whatever when we pick. Run up there and pick him. A lot of this will depend on the combine so we'll see.

I'm curious how everyone would feel about taking a G or a DL at 29. Seems it could line up.

I think that the only positions that I wouldn't be happy with them taking in the 1st would be QB, RB, WR, K or P. Anything else is pretty much open if it helps out the team.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-05-2019 11:38 AM

If we add a WR, I just want a guy who can beat man coverage early. We’re going to see plenty of tight coverage after what NE and Baltimore did, making things tough on Mahomes.

Mecca 02-05-2019 11:42 AM

If you could put Dexter Lawrence on this DL that would be beastly.

The Franchise 02-05-2019 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14091747)
If you could put Dexter Lawrence on this DL that would be beastly.

The only way I could see that....is if you move Chris Jones to DE.

Chief Northman 02-05-2019 11:57 AM

Screw receivers.

We need a starting Center and LG upgrade. If Jenkins or Risner fall in the 2nd you have to take one of them. 10-12 year starters.

Brady wins because he is protected.

staylor26 02-05-2019 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14091748)
The only way I could see that....is if you move Chris Jones to DE.

Speaks - Nnadi - Lawrence - Jones

That run D would be wayyyy better

Not much speed on the edges though lol

The Franchise 02-05-2019 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14091785)
Speaks - Nnadi - Lawrence - Jones

That run D would be wayyyy better

Not much speed on the edges though lol

Get Houston to take a pay cut or restructure his deal and put him at SLB.


Speaks - Nnadi - Lawrence - Jones

Houston - Hitchens - DOD

Frosty 02-05-2019 02:47 PM

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The Chiefs found an undrafted gem with Charvarius Ward, but more cornerback depth is needed, and Johnson has the size/length they covet.
What does this even mean? I keep seeing this in the media as well as on CP, meaning the Chiefs like tall CBs yet their draft history says otherwise. Nelson isn't even 5' 11", Gaines and Peters are both 6' as is Tremon Smith, even though he was drafted by a different GM.

Unless they are saying that Spags likes tall CBs. I haven't researched that but I heard the exact same thing about Dorsey and his draft history with the Chiefs says differently.

Chargem 02-05-2019 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 14091987)
What does this even mean? I keep seeing this in the media as well as on CP, meaning the Chiefs like tall CBs yet their draft history says otherwise. Nelson isn't even 5' 11", Gaines and Peters are both 6' as is Tremon Smith, even though he was drafted by a different GM.

Unless they are saying that Spags likes tall CBs. I haven't researched that but I heard the exact same thing about Dorsey and his draft history with the Chiefs says differently.

Maybe it's saying because we have short CBs we could use a tall one?

Frosty 02-05-2019 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 14092026)
Maybe it's saying because we have short CBs we could use a tall one?

Maybe but I doubt it. I've been seeing the same meme since Reid got here.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-05-2019 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14091788)
Get Houston to take a pay cut or restructure his deal and put him at SLB.


Speaks - Nnadi - Lawrence - Jones

Houston - Hitchens - DOD


Could be filthy.

Put Houston at DE in nickel and dime packages, move Jones/Speaks inside. Kick Nnadi/Lawrence to the sideline.

ntexascardfan 02-05-2019 04:35 PM

Arcega-Whiteside is probably my least favorite of the big bodied receivers in the draft....especially with a second round pick.

If we're taking a WR in the second round it better be because Deebo Samuel somehow fell off the face of the earth on draft day.

farmerchief 02-05-2019 04:53 PM

I like the safety with the first pick, but Id rather have the best defensive player available with the 61st.

ntexascardfan 02-05-2019 04:59 PM

I just went to The Athletic to read the entire mock.

If we pass on Deebo Samuel, especially if he ended up with the Pats, to take Arcega-Whiteside I'll be pretty disappointed. Dude is a Stefon Diggs clone.

gonefishin53 02-05-2019 11:34 PM

Dexter Lawrence has 35'' arms and an 85'' wingspan at 6'4'' and 340 lbs. Houston, Lawrence, Nnadi, Jones in base and Houston, Lawrence, Jones, Speaks in nickle would wreak havoc imo.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-06-2019 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 14091761)
Screw receivers.

We need a starting Center and LG upgrade. If Jenkins or Risner fall in the 2nd you have to take one of them. 10-12 year starters.

Brady wins because he is protected.

There’s no guarantee that anyone is a long term starter. So many OL bust these days.

Not saying I wouldn’t draft one but all players come with risk and reward.

htismaqe 02-06-2019 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 14091761)
Screw receivers.

We need a starting Center and LG upgrade. If Jenkins or Risner fall in the 2nd you have to take one of them. 10-12 year starters.

Brady wins because he is protected.

Brady is protected because the ball comes out before anybody can get there.

Mecca 02-06-2019 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14091785)
Speaks - Nnadi - Lawrence - Jones

That run D would be wayyyy better

Not much speed on the edges though lol

You're going to be in subs a lot and those guys allow you to play the run with your front.

Chris Meck 02-06-2019 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14094355)
You're going to be in subs a lot and those guys allow you to play the run with your front.

I don't like taking a dominant interior rusher and moving him outside, where his speed is questionable.

I'd much rather draft a Ferguson to play RDE and leave Jones inside, where he's closest to the QB.

Mecca 02-06-2019 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14094361)
I don't like taking a dominant interior rusher and moving him outside, where his speed is questionable.

I'd much rather draft a Ferguson to play RDE and leave Jones inside, where he's closest to the QB.

Ok fine, use Nnadi as your rotation piece, Spags has a history of flipping and flopping and doing a ton of DL subs, so it'd work.

staylor26 02-06-2019 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14094361)
I don't like taking a dominant interior rusher and moving him outside, where his speed is questionable.

I'd much rather draft a Ferguson to play RDE and leave Jones inside, where he's closest to the QB.

This is for run downs

Chris Meck 02-06-2019 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14094368)
This is for run downs


there's no such thing anymore, really.

Look one of the problems with the run defense was that you could just run right at Dee Ford, he can't set the edge. He's a poor run defender. So, assuming that you tag and trade Ford and perhaps restructure Houston's deal, he'd be fine at RDE as he's a more physical player and given his knees, not having him with coverage responsibilities actually plays to his strengths at this point in his career. So IF you can get his cap to a decent number, he's a 3 down RDE no problem. Plus, he'd be next to Jones; and that means both will get 1 on 1 matchups damned near every play. Speaks and Kpass you can work with at LDE. Draft a Ferguson to learn, rotate, and you're in killer shape.

If you can't rework Houston's deal to be reasonable, you let him walk and sign a Chris Long type and draft a Ferguson and you're in killer shape.


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