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Dante84 01-31-2019 11:53 AM

Sorensen played the game of his life against the Pats and Andy loves mormons. I think Dirty Dan returns this year.

Chris Meck 01-31-2019 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 14083192)
Sorensen played the game of his life against the Pats and Andy loves mormons. I think Dirty Dan returns this year.

not at $4.6 million.

Hoover 01-31-2019 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14083197)
not at $4.6 million.

I don't like Sorenson's cap number either but releasing him is only going to net us $2.7 in cap space. He is also at a position where we have limited depth and an issue with Berry. So again, are we really going to cut the guy because we have to have the 2.7M in cap relief he provides? I don't see it.

Chris Meck 01-31-2019 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14083246)
I don't like Sorenson's cap number either but releasing him is only going to net us $2.7 in cap space. He is also at a position where we have limited depth and an issue with Berry. So again, are we really going to cut the guy because we have to have the 2.7M in cap relief he provides? I don't see it.

$3.6 million June 1st.

shrug.

bowener 01-31-2019 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14083188)
Houston would be an excellent RDE, I agree. I don't undervalue him at all, I just don't think anyone is worth $21 million on our cap that isn't named Mahomes. Nobody's going to pay Houston $21 million, so unless he seriously restructures, I don't see anyone taking him on trade. Easier to just wait until he's cut and then sign him on whatever you negotiate. I'd keep Houston in a heartbeat if you can get him to a reasonable cap number. I'm not certain you can, which is why I chose to cut him and sign Chris Long, who was nearly as productive at 1/5 the cost.

Long has a ring, has played on several good teams and been a leader for a long time. He and Wright along with Collins would be pretty stable leadership. That's why I chose them. Long is obviously a 1 to 2 year stop gap, so that's why I drafted Ferguson to spell/replace him.

The Colts and 9ers both need pass rushers, and would absolutely take Houston. If he walks you get essentially a 4th round draft pick for him. Either of those teams would probably be willing to give up at minimum a 3rd just to secure the rights to sign him long term. Ballard in Indy knows Houston is a solid player and veteran without an ego.

O.city 01-31-2019 02:10 PM

You guys can keep trying to cut berry. I don't see it.

Chargem 01-31-2019 03:04 PM

I think there's two sorts of mock drafts, one is "what I think the Chiefs will do" and the other is "what I would do if I had free reign at the Chiefs".

This one fits into the second category, but it really is a good one, well done. I sort of wish you would have laid out the full roster just to make it easier to visualize. I think you have Williams Williams West at running back which I am fine with, but isn't the WR cupboard pretty bare?

Chris Meck 01-31-2019 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 14083428)
The Colts and 9ers both need pass rushers, and would absolutely take Houston. If he walks you get essentially a 4th round draft pick for him. Either of those teams would probably be willing to give up at minimum a 3rd just to secure the rights to sign him long term. Ballard in Indy knows Houston is a solid player and veteran without an ego.

Most teams would take him. Who wants to take him at $21 million? NOBODY. I'd love to keep him at $12 million. Doubtful we can get his number down that far.

He's 30. He's often injured. He's productive when he plays, but not $21 million worth of production. He's overpriced at this point in his career. You're not trading that contract. Plus, every team would know if we were actively shopping him that he's not in our plans; therefore they just wait until we cut him and then go negotiate a deal with him.

Chris Meck 01-31-2019 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 14083623)
I think there's two sorts of mock drafts, one is "what I think the Chiefs will do" and the other is "what I would do if I had free reign at the Chiefs".

This one fits into the second category, but it really is a good one, well done. I sort of wish you would have laid out the full roster just to make it easier to visualize. I think you have Williams Williams West at running back which I am fine with, but isn't the WR cupboard pretty bare?

It's absolutely that. It's what I would do.

I'll bet we end up stuck with Berry and either Houston OR Ford, but not both.

WR room is a little bare and dependent on our bottom of the roster guys continuing to improve some.
Hill-Watkins-Robinson-and Dieter/Kemp/Pringle. I don't think Conley's better than Robinson, and we haven't seen much of the other 3. But, I think we're 3 deep anyway, and that's pretty decent in the modern cap era of the NFL.

Chargem 01-31-2019 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 14083192)
Sorensen played the game of his life against the Pats and Andy loves mormons. I think Dirty Dan returns this year.

But did Sorenson have a good game? He had a good tackle on 4th and 1, for sure. He had an interception. But it was a deflection that came right at him, it wasn't great coverage or skill or positioning he just caught a ball which came straight at him.

And for some reason lost in the mix is that he had several missed tackles and gave up 75 yards in coverage that game. Was it really that good?

Chris Meck 01-31-2019 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 14083737)
But did Sorenson have a good game? He had a good tackle on 4th and 1, for sure. He had an interception. But it was a deflection that came right at him, it wasn't great coverage or skill or positioning he just caught a ball which came straight at him.

And for some reason lost in the mix is that he had several missed tackles and gave up 75 yards in coverage that game. Was it really that good?


'zactly.

He's JAG. You can get that for league minimum.

DJ's left nut 01-31-2019 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14083476)
You guys can keep trying to cut berry. I don't see it.

I can't even bring myself to retype it anymore.

You have to be seeing only what you want to see to base any kind of projections on that possibility.

Beerthirty 01-31-2019 05:04 PM

I'm on board with tagging and trading Ford. I know pass rushers take a while to develop but I really think we get burned if we pay him. I could be wrong. I like this mock and offseason

htismaqe 01-31-2019 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14083774)
I can't even bring myself to retype it anymore.

You have to be seeing only what you want to see to base any kind of projections on that possibility.

Do you really think the Chiefs are going to cut him?

I don't. I think they're going to keep him around. They love him. Andy loves him.

Chris Meck 01-31-2019 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14083774)
I can't even bring myself to retype it anymore.

You have to be seeing only what you want to see to base any kind of projections on that possibility.

Look, I'll buy the arguments against if you can show me one semi-official statement that his injury will preclude a June 1 cut.

All I've seen is speculation on this board. Whether it's a 'football injury' or a 'non-football injury' or whether there's any kind of clause at all that says you can't cut him without dire cap consequences. I HAVE seen respected media members speculate that he could be a cap casualty on June 1.

so while I am interested in everyone's opinions and speculations, there's been no definitive word about whether or not this can or cannot be done by anyone who's job it is to know such things.

I've even asked for some definitive word; some link to someone in the know who could say for sure.

Nobody's come forward with anything. My queries go ignored.

So until then, yeah, I think if you CAN, you cut a guy that's your 3rd highest cap number who hasn't played meaninful football in two ****ing years. Not because I'm pissed at him, or think he's a piece of shit, or a bad person; or because I'm frustrated. I'd cut him because he's expensive, and you can't count on him and won't be able to this year either.

So YOU can say we can't cut him because INJURY, but you don't KNOW THAT. You SUSPECT that, you're PRETTY SURE of that, but you have absolutely no PROOF that it's the case.

If you've got some, I'm all ears. Until then, let us have fun playing armchair, GM, yeah? Where's your mock? :D


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