Marty has sources in the Nfl. He had that one site at one time.
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I'm aware of his connections, I'm more interested in how the Schefter's, LaCanfora's and King's of the world haven't reported this.

That flight to Providence was a while back.

La California had kinda hinted that Pioli went be back
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Elaborate...

I know this as well.

But if he actually met with another team, I can't imagine that could stay quiet.

To a.) meet with another team, he'd have to b.) have permission from Clark, or c.) already been terminated.

All three of those things would have been reported by now if true.

I hope Marty is right, it's just not making a ton of sense.

Said the chiefs could be a sleeping giant in the GM sweepstakes. Iirc
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Flight to Dallas was Wednesday?

I am going with Marty wouldn't say anything unless he had a reason.

I will sleep better thinking that way.

I agree, just hoping as well lmao
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Maybe I misread something, but it was said that the meeting with the Titans took place during the trip to Providence.

That's the way I took it too
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I'd bet we have a press conference tomorrow in KC.

There were rumors somewhere that he had b been notified he wouldn't be brought back next year.
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I hope so, but we've been saying this for over a month.

IIRC, wasn't it with 2 weeks to go the Peterson thing went down? I think he's been waiting for this week.

the Chiefs will fire Pioli tomorrow and the world will end on Friday. Fitting really.

Jack Harry getting ready to come on 810. this should be good

Details about his trip to DFW haven't been reported yet that was what Marty posted earlier he was waiting n a green light.

2 trips out of town on commercial jets meaning not Chiefs business. I like the signs of it.

There was a tweet from the BC game saying Pioli was there scouting.It was either the ND or Virgina tech game.

I dont know why he was in providence but it is only 45 mins from BC.

Bet he was there to watch Teo. Maybe the Titans want Teo?

Could be. Thats what I thought.There to scout Teo.

Im looking to see if I can find the link.

Sounds like wishful thinking

You think Pioli is flying commercial to go scout players himself? Really?

If he has personal business,Clarks not giving him the Jet to go talk to the Titians about a Job. BC is only a 40 to 45 min limo ride from providence.

Maybe he just wanted to go to the game after meeting with the Titans.

Exactly! In other words he wasn't on a scouting trip for KC .

Will post more wen I get home tonight guys

He could be scouting for his own personal knowledge,who knows.

Marty says he went to providence to meet with the Titans. Why Providence?? Close proximity to watch Teo or other play?

He has used commercial flights acouple of times this year.

There was a pic of him on a commercial flight going to give a pep talk to the college team that just fired their coach (sorry teams name escapes me at the moment).

I doubt Clark lets him scout for another team while hes on the Chiefs Payroll

If Scott Pioli is here past the first week of the new year, I'm finding a new team. Enough's enough.

Shutout by one of the worst defenses in the NFL?

Good thing Carl Winslow gave up being a DC so he could have more of a hand in the offense.

We're going into tinfoil hat territory to believe that Pioli was scouting for a team he doesn't work for at the moment.

yep

I think the point is he wasn't scouting he was meeting with a team under the pretense of scouting.

that's what I thought too.
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Those have been really prevalent since the Blackout. Along with he cant make any choices, deals or anything else for the Chiefs. Could just be the same rumor making the rounds.

LMAO

Amazing that some of you are still in fear of Pioli being retained.

The joy of him getting fired is going to be greatly reduced by knowing it's going to happen for a months now.

[ Along with he cant make any choices, deals or anything else for the Chiefs. Could just be the same rumor making the rounds.[/QUOTE]

Chiefs in the last couple of years have been pro active in trying to sign players

DJ, Flowers, Tamba, Charles.

This makes alot of sense, being we have not heard of any on going negotiations or signings.

My next moment of joy will be when a story runs with this headline:

"Chiefs begin negotiating with QB X's agent"

Work in progress. Bear with me.

(But you can feel free to continue posting in this thread.)

What the hell?

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Here's how the real NFL works when it comes to GMs, Coaches, Assistants, Coordinators and the personnel men, scouts: November and December are hustle months meaning they are getting their name on the street and talking with guys affiliated with teams. It's been so widespread for so long, its par for the course. For example, a scout looking to move up will reach out to teams in mid November in hopes of getting a gig right at the end of a season. These are guys looking to move up or find security because they know a change in "leadership" is forthcoming.

So how does Pioli get lumped into this?

Let's triple flashback to the day LaCanfora reported that Pioli had a new extension. Turns out it was never signed but damage was done.

Let's double flashback to Pioli's interview tour. It was done without Clark's blessing. It was done to make Scott seem to be personable, dedicated and focused. All traits that a new employer wants to see during the time of "crisis". Face it, this season has been a massive crisis. Scott wants to demonstrate he can handle himself. So he did what he thought was a good thing.

Clark was pissed. He was in Chicago having a conversation with a well-to-do ex Chiefs coach who has enjoyed a storied head coaching career in a town that rhymes with Hittsburg and is now on TV.

Clark returns to KC, strips Pioli of all GM power. Silences him. Crennel is given control over the roster. Out goes Rhoutt.

Let's flashback to November 10. Reports surfaced that Schottenheimer was at 1 Arrowhead to meet Clark Hunt, who flew in his private jet and landed downtown that morning. Clark was in KC. Pioli wasn't. A Chiefs employee called a national sports radio show to report this. The Chiefs went into full damage control.

Where was Scott? In Providence. The picture we tweeted out was taken on November 11 at a hotel in Providence. During this time, he met with representatives from the Titans to discuss a potential role with the team with player personnel. Pioli has circulated his name to a few teams, including the Patriots. The picture was taken around the lunch hour. The Boston College/Notre Dame was an 8pm kickoff that night. Doesn't matter if Scott is employed with us or not, he's going to scout players so he knows whats going on in case another team falls for his shit again.

Pioli flys to Pittsburgh for the MNF game.

Clark Hunt flys to Pittsburgh for the game. Stays behind and has breakfast with one of the ESPN announcers who did the game the night before. Chuck is his name, I think.

Then comes the really odd thing: After the Bengals game, Clark and Scott had a long meeting at Arrowhead. I got a text that night saying both were still in the stadium past 7pm. I didn't think anything of it. Then I get a message from a well placed source that Scott took the entire week of Thanksgiving off, arriving back into town the night before the Broncos game. Sorry, but NFL GMs don't take that kind of time off during the season.

This week Scott was in Dallas to meet with Clark. This is the kiss of death. No different than when Carl was let go. Flying commercial to Dallas mid-week in December when there is no league business meetings scheduled, no college games to scout or anything else is a tell-tale sign.

Notice that TV cameras have not shown Scott in the last 2 weeks? Or mentioned his name? Remember when CBS started talking about the blackout in the 4th quarter after word broke via Twitter that stadium security was confiscating our FIRE PIOLI signs and kicking people out of Arrowhead? Nothing in the NFL is done in the NFL by a whim. Nothing.

So I mentioned Crennel and a buyout. The guy is just flat out exhausted. I'm hearing some health issues are popping up but Clark is sympathetic to what is going on with Romeo and what he's been through. Basically, for pension purposes (even at vested status), Romeo still needs credit for a full 16-game schedule. This is the deal worked out. It's respectable. And the Chiefs want that #1 pick.

BTW, I am hearing the only reason that Clark refuses to make an in-season change now is that he doesn't want the players to get excited or pumped up for the new guy. Ray Farmer was slated to be the interim GM if Clark ever pulled the trigger. Clark really wants to give that new GM and Coach a #1 pick and let them decide to take a QB, trade down or do whatever.

It is important to end this post with one simple statement: In the NFL the real moves occur ahead of the announced moves. Call it a game of shadows if you will. Some of the well placed media guys have an understanding not to report on certain things. Me, I could give a shit less. I'm a Chiefs fan, not a card-carrying member of the media.

Thanks for the info.


Sounds like Clark actually is being proactive. I like it. Also, it may go against what others think, but I like what he's doing with Romeo. It might show future coaches that ownership will go out of their way to be compassionate.

Any idea if there is a "plan" in place to who the new GM and HC will be?

Better report than anything we have read all year.

SOC IS THE WAY

Come on Clark. Just announce it this week and give the fans something to cheer about.

I said it earlier today, but I could see tomorrow actually being axe falling day.

IT sure would be nice to be able to fly the Thank You banner.

I think it's starting to be or will be quite evident that Clark cares alot more about winning than people thought.

I want to believe you Marty.

If Pioli was relieved of his GM duties what was he doing at the Arrowhead practice facility the day Belcher killed himself?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3771725

Peterson announced his resignation on December 16, 2008. Clark followed a similar path before.....

Marty, who do you think or who are you hearing Clark wants to bring in to coach or be the GM?

He is still there, watching tape, remaining active. Just because a guy knows his job is likely over doesn't mean he stops working. In fact, I'd probably suggest the idea that the bastard was working even harder so he is prepared to find work with another team.

This comment was classless and deranged.

I hope the meeting with Cowher was a good one

You knwo, I've been thinking about this alot.


I know his history, which isn't exactly ideal. But damn it, I'm tired of putting a soft team on the field. I want a team that absolutely attacks the shit out of you on both sides of the ball.

I know this much. Potential GMs include: Bill Polian, Bill Cowher, Marc Ross, Randy Mueller, Russ Ball and 1-2 other sleepers including the buzz-name in Baltimore.

Coaches: Gruden, Chip Kelly, Bruce Arians, Mike Sherman and Mike McCoy.

My honest gut: if we draft a Round 1 QB, we have to have a staff in place that knows how to develop passers. I don't see us getting a defensive minded coach

If Clark came to me and said, "Marty, you decide for me, I'll just write the checks." I'd go with either Marc Ross and Jon Gruden or Chip Kelly. Being a Pac-12 guy, I've watched Kelly a lot and have studied him pretty closely. The way he runs his practices falls in line with the current CBA and what players want. But....I'm still research guys. Ultimately, a bag of potatoes and a jar of pickles would be better than the tandem we have in place now.

Cowher as GM? No thanks.

Ross as GM
Gruden as HC
Rex as DC
OC ?

He also cares about the people who work for him, more so than fulfilling our need for immediate gratification. If this is all pans out (and I don't doubt for a second that it will) it is exactly the kind of owner I want for my team and the kind of person people should be happy to work for.

Good stuff.

Rex isn't getting fired. I can't stress this enough. His head is not on a plate right now.

Marty, thanks for the information.

Like Clay said, best and most informative report we've heard all season.

If this happens and we get the #1 pick, we can put this nightmare behind us and enjoy a memorable and exciting offseason.

Totally agree!

Polian/Cowher

Wow, so if Pioli "retires" Dec 18th.. it will be two days after the team lost to a division rival and went 2-12... same exact situation that happened under Peterson.

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Meh. If he really cared about the people who work for him he would've removed the ****ing tyrant from power already.

Polian
Cowher
Norv Turner
Ron Rivera

GENO SMITH

JIMP

Uh Ron Rivera is a HC already.

**** Cowher.

I think he's thinking Ron will be fired, which I disagree with.

So is Norv Turner.

Currently.

You would bow down to the chin penii quickly.

If it is indeed Cowher and we draft Geno, I'll get on board immediately.

Cowher would make alot of sense. No changing the 3-4 which we are sort of built for. Big name coach who the casual fans would get excited about. Big ties to Chiefs of the past. Has the Pittsburgh tradition as well. It would be very simlar to Fisher in St. Louis or Parcells to the Patriots. Stats say he probally wouldn't win a Super Bowl but then again your time table for that is probably 3 to 4 years away just judging by the age that quarterbacks win Super Bowls.

I would grudgingly accept the hire, no more.

I admit that he could win me over quickly in the same manner Herm did. I am easily romanced by the siren of mediocrity.

I'm not sure there is an absolute can't miss coaching hire out there.

I'd love Cowher, or Gruden, or Chip Kelly, or David Shaw.


Honestly I'd accept anyone at this point. I sure I can basically say without any hesitation that we currently have the worst coaching staff in place in the NFL, as well as the worst environment in the league.

We all are. We are desperate for anything to cling to.

Shit, I'll start by just getting to the point where we are competing with and beating the occasional good team.


IMO, this is an alltime low in Chiefs football. But I keep telling myself, it's always darkest before the dawn.

And the sun is peeking on the horizon. And it's name is Geno Smith.

this is the best post on the planet in years...i would give you a handy if we were close

Have you forgotten about the Arrowhead Anxiety article already? Detailing the toxic state of employee morale (both football and non-football employees) at One Arrowhead Drive?

It is cool that Clark is willing to be level-headed, a nice guy and has patience.

And that he is also willing to fire everyone.

We can have our cake and it too...as long as it's Chocolate Penis cake.