Well shit. New GM means back to completely guessing again.
 

We finally had a read on what Dorsey liked and had an idea as to who might fit within the constructs of his vision.

I think we all (mostly) felt really confident that we would get a solid haul with Dorsey steering the ship. This has been the most fun regime for me, as far as Chiefs drafts go.

I hope we get someone who has a clue and an eye for talent. I'm afraid whatever we do will be a step sideways at best, or backwards at worst.

Thanks for the fun drafts, Dorsey.

I feel you on this man... However, there has to be hope that the scouting department has noticed how he conducted things which ended up with consistent inflow of talent, and the process could be somewhat replicated.

Fingers crossed.

Clark surely wants the franchise to succeed. gotta have faith and yeah, maybe Dorsey's qualities rubbed off on the others and we'll be talking about the Dorsey tree in the years to come.

I don't expect a shift in philosophy due to the hiring of a new GM.

They'll hire a guy that fits their vision, not the other way around.

I agree with this.

I strongly believe the guy will be Veach and they'll ditch this "Co-Director" bit with regard to player personnel. They'll dance around the ol' "Rooney" horseshit and stick with the same thing that got them here.

I kinda want them to bring in that Titans guy.

It's impossible for us fans to know who's calling what shots in the draft process but Tennessee has been killing their drafts the past few years. That is a young, very talented team.

It's a team that has continually drafted in the Top Ten, so the job is infinitely easier.

They ****ed up with Chance Warmack and DGB.

It's a team that's incredibly poorly coached, is it not?

I liked the shot on DGB. Chance Warmack though was a pretty shitty pick.

Not any longer. Or did you miss their 9-7 record last year while beating the Chiefs at Arrowhead?

DGB was garbage and a reach. He was immediately traded by the new GM and didn't do dick in Philly.

Nah, he wasn't a reach as much as he was exactly what a lot of teams do with 2nd round picks. The Chiefs haven't done so as much of late, but the 2nd round was historically seen as the 'risk' round where you take guys with a lot of 1st round traits but some red flags and roll the dice on them. Too many risks for the 1st, too many skills for the 3rd - boom, you end up in the 2nd.

The Chiefs haven't gone that route as much; Morse was a higher floor, lower ceiling kind of pick that you generally see as more of a 3rd rounder. I'm actually not opposed to the way the Chiefs did it but I'm not going to be critical of what the Titans did either.

They took a gamble on a guy that could've been a low-cost Vincent Jackson if he could get his head screwed on straight. He didn't do so. Shit happens.

What made him a particularly bad choice for the Titans in that they weren't in the position of drafting a guy like DGB because they were poor football team.

This selection ultimately led to the firing of the GM. One of the first moves of their new GM was to trade DGB.

Devin Funchess would have been the better selection.

The Chiefs have not yet contacted me for an interview for the vacant GM position. I do, however, remain optimistic. Until such point, I'm happy to provide much of nothing and alot of guessing to the Chiefs' community.

You put your CPA license on your resume right? I'd think that would help with the cap problem.

I like Riddick

lol. yeah but there really isn't much of a cap problem to begin with. i mean, some tweakin in 2018 will take care of most of the issues.

No more Hali, DJ, or Smith will clear alot up.

Firings like this send negative vibes around the league. Dorsey was an exceptional talent evaluator. When things are going good, you're winning and hitting on your draft picks and lower tier FA signings to fill depth positions it raises eyebrows about this franchise and if the chiefs job is a good GM job to take given the power structure? Reid was just given a new contract. He's not going anywhere.

One of the detrimental aspects of continually being on the Chiefs' ass is that it makes situations like the Dorsey firing carry less weight when you're trying to express an honest opinion.
That said, I have absolutely no doubt that any possibility of sustained greatness went right out the door with Dorsey's day runner.

Andy Reid is FAR more important than any GM, including Dorsey

Andy Reid is the jolly fat uncle that all these players respect because he knows how to relate to them.
Andy Reid isn't worth 1/16 of a John Dorsey in terms of finding talent and evaluating it.
And Andy Reid is far from being a proven, consistent, championship-level NFL coach.

Is Andy Reid better than the last 4 Chiefs coaches? I would ****ing hope so, as we're not talking a Mt. Everest climb-challenge in overcoming that sad clown show.

Is Andy Reid Marty Schottenhiemer with a boner for passing plays instead of running?

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Etc.

It's a "great fit"?
Yeah, okay.

Disagree.

Reid is going to need pro bowl calibre talent, along with talent, leadership, intelligence and balls at the QB position, to overcome his shortcomings as a game and clock manager.

If Veach is the new GM I'll feel more comfortable.

As mentioned before, we have all of the same scouts going out on the road, plus we have Borgonzi and Veach along with the same coaching staff, so we aren't completely bare.

The Chiefs have drafted high upside players and given them to our elite coaching staff and the results speak for themselves. Ford, Kelce, Jones, Hill and Peters are prime examples of this philosophy working.

What I fear is the loss of talent evaluation from late round picks and cheap FA'S like Ware, Parker, LDT and Howard.

Exactly. While finding those overlooked gems may not necessarily mean life or death, they are VERY important if your goal is to build a roster with real and workable depth.

Disagree agree all you'd like but Andy Reid is the one of the best and most successful head coaches in NFL history.

John Dorsey is a blip on the NFL's radar.

Oh, for ****'s sake.

The guy that drafted Donovan McNabb, LeSean McCoy, Desean Jackson, Derrick Burgess, Correll Buckhalter, Brian Westbrook, Lito Shepard, Todd Herremns, Trent Cole, Reggie Brown, Brodrick Bunkley, Winston Justice, Brent Celek, Quinton Demps, King Dunlap, Jeremy Maclin, Nate Allen, Clay Harbor, Riley Cooper, Kurt Coleman, Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kindricks, Vinny Curry, Nick Foles, and Casey Mathews isn't 1/16th of Dorsey?

You're mouthbreather.

Holy shit this is ****ing stupid.

In 18 seasons, Andy Reid has won an average of more than 10 games per season.

The man isn't even .500 in the post season for his entire career. He's been to ONE ****ing Super Bowl in his entire run as a head coach, and he lost.

And more than half of your ****ing list of "talent" would illicit a sound "who"(?) from most NFL fans.

But keep ****ing that chicken, Dan-o. That fat, mediocre, ****ing chicken.

You are such a ****ing moron.

Why do you continue to expose yourself as such?

And you are such a delusional ****ing tool.

Why can't the "great" Andy Reid break .500 in the post season?

Tool? You're a ****ing low life methhead moron that's been banned multiple time, renounced your "fandom", then decided to be a "fan" again this year.

That's a ****ing tool.

He's 11-12 postseason and coached in a Super Bowl. Why hasn't he won more frequently?

He's never had a Hall of Fame QB.

The most successful head coaches in NFL history won championships.

He lost because of sorryass clock and game management.

His career isn't over

And they also had Hall of Fame QB's

It's a catch 22.

If you are something more than mediocre as a QB, you are nearly a shoe-in to get elected.

John Hadl was a better QB than Joe Namath, but Joe Wiilie is in while Hadl is on the outside looking in.

On the other hand Jon Gruden won a SB with Brad Johnson, and Brian Billick won one with Brad Dilfer, while Andy failed with a hell of a defense with one of the best DCs ever, and Donavan McNabb at QB, who is a damn sight better than either of those scrubs.

Joe Gibbs won with 3 different QBs, none of whom will ever sniff the Hall, and Tom Flores won with Jim Plunkett.

Andy Reid's failure to win has more to do with his inability to manage the game and the clock than who he had at QB.

Had he overcome his own shortcomings, McNabb is likely a HoFer.

So Drew Bledsoe, Trent Green, Matt Ryan, Matt Hasselbeck, Ken O'Brien, Vinnie Testaverde, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Kerry Collins and Tony Romo are HOF candidates?

At this point in time, I'd have to disagree.

I am pretty sure you had to know I was talking about QBs that won SBs.

Eli Manning, however, is almost certainly a shoe in.

No. My apologies.

I agree but it's ironic that he is HOF bound, considering the Giants fan base has been wanting to replace him for years.

I would say that the crying bitch antics of a "leaving forever"-tool who then turns right around to come on back definitely puts you in a very special tool class.
I would also say that crying about Clay non-stop definitely elevates your toolness to the highest levels attainable at CP.
And then there's that pesky ****ing Quarterback whom you can't seem to decide rates franchise material one day, then mediocre FAIL-machine the next.

And if Reid's never had a HOF QB, he might be wise to let someone else do the picking( which he did, thank God )if the best he can come up with is Alex ****ing Smith to inaugurate his run as a Chief.

Later, tool box.

Go **** yourself, over and over and over and over.

No one gives a shit about you.

I agree. We aren't gonna have this kind of talent around again for a while - Dorsey or no Dorsey.