The reign is over. Time to begin the quest for the next one.
Interesting offseason opens for the Royals. Will they go all in for one last shot with this crew? Will they re-tool for 2018 and beyond? Will Dayton Moore actually decrease payroll this time?
Trades, free agent signings, rumors, plans, proposals... dump 'em all here, for this is... the offseason repository!
Royals Top Prospects, 2017
This is a list that’s going to seem a little bleak initially, as Raul Mondesi got enough ABs to age out of the prospect rankings (just barely – at 135 ABs, he is not rookie eligible). But that said, I like the talent and feel like this is a system that will actually be underrated by the prospect services.
Spoiler!
Format: POS/Name/2017 Projected Final Level
1) 3B/OF Hunter Dozier, MLB. Dozier bounced back from a disastrous 2015 campaign that had many wondering, myself included, if he was wrecked. His strong offensive performance in 2016 saw Dozier recapture the mature approach that many liked coming up, while also starting to tap into his above-average raw power for the first time.
In addition to his success at the plate, Dozier also proved he could at least HANDLE an OF spot, which could put him in the conversation for 2017 playing time at the major leagues. If the Royals DO end up trading Cheslor Cuthbert, Dozier could find a decent amount of MLB playing time sliding between RF and 3B. With Moustakas recovering from knee surgery, he likely will need more regular breaks from the field. And the streaky Paulo Orlando is just not an intriguing short-side platoon partner for Jarrod Dyson.
2) LHP Matt Strahm, MLB. Strahm just barely skates under the rookie eligibility rules for a pitcher, so he can be included here. Royals fans already got a taste of the lefty’s abilities, as he used his above-average fastball and slurve to dominate out of the pen in 2016. For him to translate that dominance to the rotation, Strahm will need to maintain his velocity (92-94) and continue to improve a changeup that flashed average at times.
If the changeup becomes a weapon he can lean on against righties, Strahm could be a very solid mid-rotation starter and fringe ToR/No. 2 type (think Danny Duffy-lite).
3) RHP Josh Staumont, AAA. This one could blow up on me and look really silly by this time next year, but I’m encouraged by what we saw from Staumont late last year. He showed significantly improved control down the stretch for Northwest Arkansas, including some impressive playoff starts, while maintaining the big-time K ability. That trend continued in the Arizona Fall League.
If Staumont’s control holds, the Royals have a guy with a plus fastball, plus-plus curve, and average change (with a slider that could develop into a real weapon as he matures). He’ll start next season at AAA and could be an addition to the MLB bullpen or even the rotation before the season ends.
4) RF Jorge Bonifacio, AAA. Boni, like Dozier, had a bounceback season in 2016 with the bat, and also played 15-20 pounds lighter than the year before, which added some nice defensive utility according to reports I’ve gotten. He now looks like a guy could provide solid/average RF production in the major leagues… Average defense paired with potential to put up a .275/.335/.450 line. While that’s not all-star level, it IS playable. Especially at pre-arbitration dollars. He’ll get another year in Omaha to refine his approach, and likely be in the mix of a 2018 mini-youth movement… unless moved for MLB reinforcements.
5) C Meibrys Viloria, Low-A (Lexington). I haven’t seen him in person, but I like the pedigree. You’ve got a lefthanded hitting catcher with the defensive ability to stick behind the plate. He was a big-bonus guy out of Colombia (nearly $500k). And his offensive performance has been highly impressive early, with a good combination of power, plate discipline, and contact skills.
He’s forever away from the majors, just now clearing rookie ball, but Viloria is the most exciting prospect KC has had at Idaho Falls since someone on this board was gushing about a 16-year-old SS tearing it up.
6) 1B Ryan O’Hearn, AAA. O’Hearn is a guy who has never gotten a lot of hype from scouts, but he continues to be a strong producer. He’s someone who likely will strikeout about 25 percent of the time at the big-league level, but has the ability to be a .500+ SLG guy. That plays. He also has shown good patience at the plate, posting above-average OBPs at every level.
Bold prediction: I won’t be shocked if O’Hearn takes over at 1B for KC in 2018/2019 and provides similar offensive production to Hosmer out of the gate. He’s probably never going to be a consistent plus average (.290+) hitter, but .270 with 25 HR is something within reach for him. He’ll get his first shot at AAA in 2017.
7) RHP AJ Puckett, A+. Puckett is a high floor, low-ceiling guy who performed about as you’d expect in 2016 after being the Royals’ first pick in the 2016 Rule IV Draft. He’s not flashy, but Puckett does profile as a solid potential back-end starter. Good fastball command and an above-average changeup are his calling cards. If Puckett finds a reliable breaking ball to put batters away, this could tick up. Great athlete, very similar to Jake Odorizzi in that regard.
8) RF Khalil Lee, Low-A (Lexington). Lee was a two-way player in HS and many viewed him as a pitcher first as a pro, but the Royals drafted him as an OF and were reward with a strong debut campaign. Lee is not a big guy, but he produced solid power numbers despite that. He’s a dynamic athlete who could contribute with power and speed.
9) C Chase Vallot, High-A (Wilmington). Vallot has an intriguing bat, with plus raw power. Got off to a great start in 16 before being sidelined and then sidetracked by injury. RH bat may be good enough to push him out from behind the plate, where he has good tools but a long way to go.
10) RHP Jake Junis and RHP Alec Mills (AAA). I'm copping out here and including both at No. 10 because they're so similar. Like Puckett, they each project as a serviceable back of rotation starter. Similar stuff and profiles, though Junis has shown a little better strikeout ability and may have a smidge more upside as a result.
Others of note:
SS/CF Marten Gasparini. Production has been bad for this toolsy player, but Gasparini has speed and pop that jump out at you. At only 19, need to be patient with him... this European signee was even less polished when signing at 16 than the typical Latin America prospect.
OF Seuly Matias. Loud, loud tools. Matias profiles as a classic RF... big-time power potential. He's a long ways from the majors but is one of the Royals' biggest bonus babies from LA.
RHP Ashe Russell. 2014 1st rounder saw his velocity disappear last year and was quickly shut down. He's intriguing one way or the other, even if he ends up as another notch in the belt of the TINSTAAPP saying.
2B Corey Toups. O'Hearn's HS teammate has been an above-average producer for an up-the-middle player. His small stature hides a surprising amount of pop. Could turn into a Mark Grudzielanek type of offensive second baseman at his peak - solid average, lots of 2Bs.
RHP Scott Blewett, LHP Foster Griffin, RHP Nolan Watson - all three have underwhelmed as pros but were drafted in the supplemental round. Stuff and projectability for each is a positive. Wouldn't be surprised to see one of them take a Cody Reed-like step forward this season and crack the 50-75 range on prospect lists. They all have the natural ability.
SS/2B Ricky Aracena - Jose Altuve-sized Aracena is a switch hitting middle infielder who can flat out run. Switch hitter with a good approach.
RHP Pedro Fernandez - I'm still a believer in his stuff, even if he is destined for the pen. Was having a nice 2016 start until injuries derailed him right after his promotion to AA.
Sirs not Appearing in this Prospect List:
RHP Kyle Zimmer. Same story, different year. The Royals are hopeful they FINALLY found the cause of Zimmer's achy shoulder. If they really did, and he can stay healthy, the talent/potential is exciting.
OF Bubba Starling. Never trust a guy named Derek.
KCUnited
11-03-2016 09:11 PM
Just want to be first.
SAUTO
11-03-2016 09:12 PM
94 wins
ChiefsCountry
11-03-2016 09:13 PM
Lets win the whole thing again. This October was boring.
cabletech94
11-03-2016 09:14 PM
Here to represent!
come on 2017---back to the promised land!!!!
Canofbier
11-03-2016 09:15 PM
Getting in on page 1! Gonna have to update my avatar one of these days, though. Mondesi, maybe?
New World Order
11-03-2016 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Canofbier
(Post 12527946)
Getting in on page 1! Gonna have to update my avatar one of these days, though. Mondesi, maybe?
Let's go old school.
Ken Harvey
CaliforniaChief
11-03-2016 09:19 PM
Nice work Duncan! I'm in.
In terms of the offseason, I know things have been said about Beltran coming in as DH. I'm not so sure. Maybe I'm jaded by Soria, but a fascination with the past is no way to contend now.
I think we're going all in for 2018, honestly. I suspect that if that wasn't the case, Yost would likely retire and turn it over to a new manager (Ibanez?)
It will be nice to have Hochevar back along with Herrera, and I look forward to seeing who GMDM picks off the trash heap and turns into a bullpen stud.
I'm excited!
Prison Bitch
11-03-2016 09:27 PM
I really hope Dozier isn't our top prospect
Chiefspants
11-03-2016 09:39 PM
After a successful surgery, it's time for the Zimmer era, right?
I really hope we can bring back Morales but it doesn't seem likely.
Pitt Gorilla
11-03-2016 10:07 PM
sexy time.
cosmo20002
11-03-2016 11:50 PM
It is weird living in a world where the Chicago Cubs have won a World Series in my lifetime. Or my dad's. Or anyone that is alive.
duncan_idaho
11-04-2016 06:03 AM
First steps as GM for me this offseason (if I'm calling the shots).
1) approach Hosmer about a long-term deal. Once that doesn't happen, you can move on to guys you actually have a shot with without offending anyone.
2) Get Duffy extended (4 years, 50ish million sounds about right). Backload that sucker and clear up payroll for 2017 (should be able to save 4-5 million off his arbitration figure).
2) Try to extend Moustakas. Something like Chase Headley's deal is what I've seen thrown around by a few others. Seems about right - 4 years, 50ish million. If he continues to perform like 2015, it's actually a good deal for the team and more neutral for him. Adds a layer of security for Moustakas.
I think that ends up being a win, anyway, as I think Moose's skills will age well into his early 30s compared to Cain and Hosmer.
Again, hopefully save around 4 million on 2017 salary.
3) try to extend Herrera. A little trickier and more risky, but still a move that adds long-term stability while hopefully freeing up a few million more in payroll room.
4) work with Greg Holland and Luke Hochevar on incentive-based deals. Don't need both of them, but adding at least one would help the pen a lot. If holland's elbow checks out and his slider is good, I'd lean that way.
5) Explore a Wade Davis trade. I'd need to be blown away, but if a team like the Nationals wants to give up a Reynaldo Lopez for him, I make the deal. Also think the Cubs would be an interesting partner (with Ian Happ as my top target), but they may need those bullets for Chris Archer. If you can't trade to bolster he rotation, I'd look at a guy like Henderson Alvarez in FA.
Based on those 5 things, stick a toe in the DH market. It's pretty flooded, and a SH or RH-hitting option makes a lot of sense for the Royals if you can do it on a one- or two-year deal for $10 million/year or less. Really need that bat hitting 5th behind Hosmer to lengthen the lineup, in my opinion.
This could be Beltran or Morales or Holliday or Steve Pearce. Aaron Hill also intrigues me a bit, could be really cheap and offer a little 3b insurance.
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Prison Bitch
11-04-2016 06:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmo20002
(Post 12528117)
It is weird living in a world where the Chicago Cubs have won a World Series in my lifetime. Or my dad's. Or anyone that is alive.
I still think it's a lot weirder that we won it.
Prison Bitch
11-04-2016 07:27 AM
MLB.com with the dumbest tweet in Twitter history?
First steps as GM for me this offseason (if I'm calling the shots).
1) approach Hosmer about a long-term deal. Once that doesn't happen, you can move on to guys you actually have a shot with without offending anyone.
2) Get Duffy extended (4 years, 50ish million sounds about right). Backload that sucker and clear up payroll for 2017 (should be able to save 4-5 million off his arbitration figure).
2) Try to extend Moustakas. Something like Chase Headley's deal is what I've seen thrown around by a few others. Seems about right - 4 years, 50ish million. If he continues to perform like 2015, it's actually a good deal for the team and more neutral for him. Adds a layer of security for Moustakas.
I think that ends up being a win, anyway, as I think Moose's skills will age well into his early 30s compared to Cain and Hosmer.
Again, hopefully save around 4 million on 2017 salary.
3) try to extend Herrera. A little trickier and more risky, but still a move that adds long-term stability while hopefully freeing up a few million more in payroll room.
4) work with Greg Holland and Luke Hochevar on incentive-based deals. Don't need both of them, but adding at least one would help the pen a lot. If holland's elbow checks out and his slider is good, I'd lean that way.
5) Explore a Wade Davis trade. I'd need to be blown away, but if a team like the Nationals wants to give up a Reynaldo Lopez for him, I make the deal. Also think the Cubs would be an interesting partner (with Ian Happ as my top target), but they may need those bullets for Chris Archer. If you can't trade to bolster he rotation, I'd look at a guy like Henderson Alvarez in FA.
Based on those 5 things, stick a toe in the DH market. It's pretty flooded, and a SH or RH-hitting option makes a lot of sense for the Royals if you can do it on a one- or two-year deal for $10 million/year or less. Really need that bat hitting 5th behind Hosmer to lengthen the lineup, in my opinion.
This could be Beltran or Morales or Holliday or Steve Pearce. Aaron Hill also intrigues me a bit, could be really cheap and offer a little 3b insurance.
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So was Kendry's deal 2 years? Is that what I'm remembering?
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch
(Post 12528236)
MLB.com with the dumbest tweet in Twitter history?
LMAO Even the Cleveland dudes are hammering the MLB.
C3HIEF3S
11-04-2016 01:07 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I've been told talks with Duffy are progressing well. Even heard a number thrown out. Five years, $40-$50 million with an option. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a></p>— David Lesky (@DBLesky) <a href="https://twitter.com/DBLesky/status/794607882373238786">November 4, 2016</a></blockquote>
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SCTrojan
11-04-2016 01:26 PM
Looks like Morales and Volquez turned down mutual options.
Prison Bitch
11-04-2016 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S
(Post 12528775)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I've been told talks with Duffy are progressing well. Even heard a number thrown out. Five years, $40-$50 million with an option. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a></p>— David Lesky (@DBLesky) <a href="https://twitter.com/DBLesky/status/794607882373238786">November 4, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Better have a TJ clause in it. Duffy had the surgery in 2012 and the average recurrence happens within 5 years, slating him at having another this next year.
Looks like Morales and Volquez turned down mutual options.
I just saw this too. I'm kind of torn on how to feel about it actually. I like them both but I think both positions could be improved.
Chiefspants
11-04-2016 01:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S
(Post 12528775)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I've been told talks with Duffy are progressing well. Even heard a number thrown out. Five years, $40-$50 million with an option. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a></p>— David Lesky (@DBLesky) <a href="https://twitter.com/DBLesky/status/794607882373238786">November 4, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I just saw this too. I'm kind of torn on how to feel about it actually. I like them both but I think both positions could be improved.
I am skeptical we'll be able to replace Morales' power, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
Rooster
11-04-2016 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13
(Post 12528890)
I am skeptical we'll be able to replace Morales' power, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
I know what you mean. Those blasts he had in Minnesota this year were amazing.
Go Royals
11-04-2016 02:06 PM
Is there a site that has all the free agents listed for every team?
Spott
11-04-2016 02:18 PM
Just don't bring Soria back.
CaliforniaChief
11-04-2016 02:21 PM
I'd love Encarnacion. Ok, LOL
duncan_idaho
11-04-2016 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic
(Post 12528507)
Samir Duenez??
I had comments about him, apparently I failed to copy-paste accurately. I'll add when I'm at a computer I can access the forum on.
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Originally Posted by Buehler445
(Post 12528567)
So was Kendry's deal 2 years? Is that what I'm remembering?
LMAO Even the Cleveland dudes are hammering the MLB.
Two years with a mutual option for year 3; he declined his half and is a FA.
Quote:
Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S
(Post 12528775)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I've been told talks with Duffy are progressing well. Even heard a number thrown out. Five years, $40-$50 million with an option. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a></p>— David Lesky (@DBLesky) <a href="https://twitter.com/DBLesky/status/794607882373238786">November 4, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Yes. This pleases me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch
(Post 12528865)
Better have a TJ clause in it. Duffy had the surgery in 2012 and the average recurrence happens within 5 years, slating him at having another this next year.
As of last year, only 18 guys in the past decade and only 39 total had needed a revision, according to SI. Hopefully Duffy avoids those fates.
The guy who did his, Lew Yocun, is dead, but I don't think he's the surgeon who did Brandon Beachy, Medlen, and Corey Luebke's failed first runs at TJ.
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Originally Posted by Go Royals
(Post 12528907)
Is there a site that has all the free agents listed for every team?
MLB trade rumors lists it by position, not sure you can filter by team in one spot.
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Prison Bitch
11-04-2016 03:18 PM
I'm prob more worried about the money than the odds. Example: let's suppose you sign Kris Medlen and there's a 50% chance he doesn't pitch for you. 10M x 50% = $5M expected loss. Or Holland at say 2/14: 50% chance you'll lose $7M.
The same odds for Duffy incur a massive 25M loss. I suppose the counter is you'll get a shitload of value for him the time he DOES play. And if he survives most of that time, you really come out ahead.
Strasburg and Harvey having issues this year really would worry me. They are young guys his age.
Shogun
11-04-2016 04:44 PM
I would take Duffy for 5 years 45m all damn day long to the bank if it is structured right
C3HIEF3S
11-04-2016 09:28 PM
Duncan/PB, are wRC values already presented with the exclusion of pitchers from the calculation? Or do you have to compile that separately?
I'm trying to find someone to go with to the Arizona Fall League All-Star game tomorrow.
So far, no takers. :(
Rasputin
11-04-2016 11:36 PM
I hope they ink Eric Hosmer for a long term deal I would love that. Eric Hosmer is a stud.
I think Venura is going start maturing and have more control this year as long as he listens to Perez and pitching coaches. I think he will be our Ace in the pocket.
Anyong Bluth
11-05-2016 01:22 AM
In
C3HIEF3S
11-05-2016 01:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S
(Post 12529494)
Duncan/PB, are wRC values already presented with the exclusion of pitchers from the calculation? Or do you have to compile that separately?
Never mind, I figured it out. For shits and gigs, I calculated Eric Hosmer's 2016 fWAR by hand. Fangraphs has him at -.2. My final figure came out to be -.1895 which is most likely just rounding errors if I had to guess. It was a fun way to see the inside of this stat.
As you can see, I took a shortcut when it came to BsR (part b on my sheet). Didn't feel like working the formulas for lgwSB (b2) and runCS (b3) when UBR, wSB, and wGDP were all right in front of me on Fangraphs. But for the most part, here is everything that goes into fWAR (I think): https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwe01RXXgAANjPS.jpg
...is it March yet?
teedubya
11-05-2016 02:19 AM
I'm looking forward to the 2017 World Series Royals vs. Cubs
Bowser
11-05-2016 09:34 AM
I feel pretty good when I balance the checkbook and everything comes out even. No way am I going to attempt to calculate WAR, lol.
Infidel Goat
11-05-2016 09:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spott
(Post 12528924)
Just don't bring Soria back.
He's guaranteed $17 million for the next two years. We can buy out the third remaining years for $1 million.
Better hope for a bounce back...
duncan_idaho
11-05-2016 09:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch
(Post 12529036)
I'm prob more worried about the money than the odds. Example: let's suppose you sign Kris Medlen and there's a 50% chance he doesn't pitch for you. 10M x 50% = $5M expected loss. Or Holland at say 2/14: 50% chance you'll lose $7M.
The same odds for Duffy incur a massive 25M loss. I suppose the counter is you'll get a shitload of value for him the time he DOES play. And if he survives most of that time, you really come out ahead.
Strasburg and Harvey having issues this year really would worry me. They are young guys his age.
Strasburg's may be slightly related to TJ (flexor mass strain), but it isn't directly related. Harvey's is not related (Thoracic outlet).
Strasburg's delivery/motion would leave him more prone to an elbow injury than Duffy's, too. Stras has that dramatic inverted W in his motion. Duffy is more classic/smooth.
re: wRC... and here I thought I was the only person around here who ran statistical calculations long-hand.
Related note: Excel is your friend.
Munson
11-05-2016 09:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S
(Post 12529683)
Never mind, I figured it out. For shits and gigs, I calculated Eric Hosmer's 2016 fWAR by hand. Fangraphs has him at -.2. My final figure came out to be -.1895 which is most likely just rounding errors if I had to guess. It was a fun way to see the inside of this stat.
As you can see, I took a shortcut when it came to BsR (part b on my sheet). Didn't feel like working the formulas for lgwSB (b2) and runCS (b3) when UBR, wSB, and wGDP were all right in front of me on Fangraphs. But for the most part, here is everything that goes into fWAR (I think): https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwe01RXXgAANjPS.jpg
Anybody watch the tv show "Pitch"? It's on Hulu. It's about this girl who is going to be the first female pitcher in the majors. Anyway, she makes the all-star game (on votes, not merit) and pitches to Perez who homers off of her. Even fake TV show home runs give me the Royals feel.
They showed the actual footage from the all-star game but just superimposed the girl pitcher instead of whoever it was (Cueto?). And now I want to see Perez back in the game!
Sure-Oz
11-07-2016 08:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerok
(Post 12530235)
Anybody watch the tv show "Pitch"? It's on Hulu. It's about this girl who is going to be the first female pitcher in the majors. Anyway, she makes the all-star game (on votes, not merit) and pitches to Perez who homers off of her. Even fake TV show home runs give me the Royals feel.
They showed the actual footage from the all-star game but just superimposed the girl pitcher instead of whoever it was (Cueto?). And now I want to see Perez back in the game!
I've enjoyed it....but it's cause I'm a fan of Zack Morris. It's not a bad show though.
KChiefs1
11-07-2016 09:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerok
(Post 12530235)
Anybody watch the tv show "Pitch"? It's on Hulu. It's about this girl who is going to be the first female pitcher in the majors. Anyway, she makes the all-star game (on votes, not merit) and pitches to Perez who homers off of her. Even fake TV show home runs give me the Royals feel.
They showed the actual footage from the all-star game but just superimposed the girl pitcher instead of whoever it was (Cueto?). And now I want to see Perez back in the game!
I haven't wanted to watch it but you just made me want to watch it now.
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Great Expectations
11-07-2016 09:46 AM
I didn't like how they selected an actor who throws like a girl. Why couldn't they get someone who can throw like an athlete? It's already hard enough to believe, that just makes it worse.
C3HIEF3S
11-07-2016 01:11 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Greg Holland 88-91 during his workout.</p>— Eric Longenhagen (@longenhagen) <a href="https://twitter.com/longenhagen/status/795702395560857600">November 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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13 months post-TJ, you'd like to see velocity higher than that, correct? Isn't velocity usually quick to come back after rehab?
cabletech94
11-07-2016 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S
(Post 12536590)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Greg Holland 88-91 during his workout.</p>— Eric Longenhagen (@longenhagen) <a href="https://twitter.com/longenhagen/status/795702395560857600">November 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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bring him in for a look????
Nightfyre
11-07-2016 01:40 PM
Holland is done if he can't get the velocity up
tk13
11-07-2016 01:44 PM
Yeah that's not encouraging at all. He needs to at least be sitting in the mid 90s to be the guy he was before, even with his devastating slider.
duncan_idaho
11-07-2016 02:05 PM
To be elite again, Holland needs to sit 94-95, like tk13 said.
To be a very good reliever, he probably could work at 92-93 if his slider is still good (depth and bite).
At 88-91, I would worry he is entering the same territory Tim Lincecum did when he hit his late 20s/early 30s... losing velocity as his body ages and is no longer able to squeeze as much out of a max effort delivery.
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CaliforniaChief
11-07-2016 02:07 PM
Tough luck for Holland. Reading Passan's book "The Arm" gave me a new appreciation for what these guys go through post-TJ.
Titty Meat
11-07-2016 02:39 PM
Hey off topic but I can't make threads. Anyone bought baseball tickets off vividseats.com? I'm trying to get my gf cards tickets for a game in St. Louis but see nothing listed on ticketmaster or their website for single game tickets.
C3HIEF3S
11-07-2016 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay
(Post 12536840)
Hey off topic but I can't make threads. Anyone bought baseball tickets off vividseats.com? I'm trying to get my gf cards tickets for a game in St. Louis but see nothing listed on ticketmaster or their website for single game tickets.
Single game tickets don't usually go on sale until February, I believe. I think each team has specific dates, but usually around February, IIRC.
Discuss Thrower
11-07-2016 02:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay
(Post 12536840)
Hey off topic but I can't make threads. Anyone bought baseball tickets off vividseats.com? I'm trying to get my gf cards tickets for a game in St. Louis but see nothing listed on ticketmaster or their website for single game tickets.
Or just dump the girlfriend and date a Royals' fan you frickin' Communist.
WhawhaWhat
11-07-2016 03:23 PM
No qualifying offers for Morales or Volquez.
Prison Bitch
11-07-2016 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat
(Post 12536952)
No qualifying offers for Morales or Volquez.
We thank them for their service. Two of the best FA in our history.
duncan_idaho
11-07-2016 04:21 PM
Jason Hammel and Derek Holland both had their options declined. Adds some depth to the SP market.
Holland may be a guy in line for a short/prove it type of deal who could add some rotation depth for KC.
Hammel will likely get 3-4 years at pretty solid money. He's a back-end starter in the AL, but I bet he gets something similar to the Ian Kennedy contract. 4/55-60?
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ChiefsCountry
11-07-2016 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho
(Post 12537081)
Jason Hammel and Derek Holland both had their options declined. Adds some depth to the SP market.
Holland may be a guy in line for a short/prove it type of deal who could add some rotation depth for KC.
Hammel will likely get 3-4 years at pretty solid money. He's a back-end starter in the AL, but I bet he gets something similar to the Ian Kennedy contract. 4/55-60?
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Holland personality would fit well in the clubhouse. I also wouldn't be surprised to see them go after Brett Anderson. Dayton seems to have a hard on for him.
Buehler445
11-07-2016 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch
(Post 12530215)
Hoch shown the door
?
I thought he had a year left.
C3HIEF3S
11-07-2016 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445
(Post 12537478)
?
I thought he had a year left.
They had a mutual option with him, of which the Royals declined.
WhawhaWhat
11-07-2016 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445
(Post 12537478)
?
I thought he had a year left.
He had a $7 million mutual option that the team declined.
Buehler445
11-07-2016 07:52 PM
Thx. Nevermind. Really liked Hoch. He was definitely a part of the WS run.
Prison Bitch
11-07-2016 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445
(Post 12537495)
Thx. Nevermind. Really liked Hoch. He was definitely a part of the WS run.
He was absolute nails last postseason. I'll always love Hoch. Wish him the best but it's time.
Chiefspants
11-07-2016 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445
(Post 12537495)
Thx. Nevermind. Really liked Hoch. He was definitely a part of the WS run.
The dude didn't give up a single run in the 2015 postseason.
Showed off why he was selected over Andrew Miller, who only wishes he could have done the same in 2016. ;)
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Bad. Ass. I was hopeful he could win it coming into the year but started losing faith when he entered his patented Yost overuse Slump. Out of everyone on the roster, I think he has the best very outside shot to make it to the Hall. He's already sporting an incredible resume.
4x Gold Glove Winner
4x All Star
1x Silver Slugger
2x AL Pennants
1x World Series Championship
1x World Series MVP