There is recognizing what has been accomplished and then there is dangling from the balls. The media, regardless of subject, continually chooses the latter.

A very worthy winner.

clear cut winner... well done sir

Tell me again how many ranked opponents he faced...

No, that is not what I am saying. Honestly I could not compare the two until Manziel has a second year under his belt. If looking just at the player (as it should be) I would prefer to compare two seasons as starter to two seasons as starter.

Obviously you caught the drift of what I was saying though. This beauty contest takes a lot more into consideration than just the players (with the occaisonal abberation like last year).

Why are you talking about multiple seasons in a conversation about the heisman?

Anyway, my point was mainly that the press had talked up what I believe is an undeserving player (Te'o) at an undeserving position (ILB) and that I was glad he didn't win. I would have been gladder had he not been there at all, but I'll take what I can get. Notre Dame was undefeated, so they were going to have a name in the discussion. Maybe they'd have won if you could nominate their front 7 as a group, but in any case, I think it was a joke that Te'o even got votes.

As far as Manziel goes, it's kind of hard to talk down the statistical significance of his performance this year. I think it was in general a year where we didn't really have a single stand-out player, a clear "that's the heisman winner" player, but I do think of the players on the list, he was the most deserving.

Bullshit. 7 freakin' interceptions and the anchor of one of the best defenses in the country.

Te'o should've won it and it shouldn't have been close. He showed up and dominated every game, every half.

Unlike Manziel who sucked in the 2nd half of the 2 home games that A&M lost this year (after taking leads into the 2nd half both games). And Manziel didn't actually play well in the 2nd half against Alabama.

AJ McCarron won the Heisman for Manziel. If he doesn't throw that pick in the end zone, Bama wins and nobody gives Manziel a 2nd thought.

This garbage about ND hype is just ridiculous. They beat as many ranked teams as anyone in the country, they beat ND and USC in their own barns and the unquestioned best player on their team (and best player in the country) was Manti Te'o.

**** the Heisman voters. It's become nothing more than a "QB of the Year" award.

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Reactions like that are the best part of it.

Yeah, it's a crying shame defense is looked down on these days.

And your inability to rebut it is telling.

Wait, there are people actually arguing this?

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It's why I like college football more than professional football these days.

In college football, you can still win through defense and physical play. In the NFL, you pretty much have one way to win - throw the shit out of it. That's not the case in college. You can win with goofy Auburn offenses led by Cam Newton running read options, you can have a defense-first team with a dominant running game like 'Bama or you can spread it out and fling it around.

Defense still matters in the college game yet the voters just completely ignore it. There's still never been a purely defensive player win the Heisman, yet all you heard in the runup was about the fact that there's never been a Freshman win one.

Yeah, ND hype machine, indeed. The biggest play in college football this year was Te'o interception in Norman that broke the back of the Sooners, yet everyone wants to fawn over Manziel's TD against Alabama (after he sucked for the entire half)...a play that ultimately meant absolutely nothing.

Why take the time to rebut when I already wrote a paragraph about it in the post immediately above yours.

I don't think Te'o is anything particularly special. I do think that front 7 was. I don't think he deserved the award, and I don't think it's any miscarriage of justice that he didn't get it. In fact, I think the only reason he was there is that every Notre Dame broadcast for the latter half of the season was primarily focused on talking him up. You'd think there weren't any other players on that defense. Or on that team, for that matter. It's the Manti Te'o show! And you'd think he cured cancer and brought us world peace between commercial breaks. He's a good player that was/is part of a great defense. He was not a Heisman caliber player. The lack of a clear front-runner for the award this year is likely the only reason he was even part of the discussion.

But I will also note that I vehemently hate Notre Dame, and I make no effort at all to hide that bias.

I was kinda pullin for the Hawaii boy..,