Mahomes' NFL comparison.
Tribusky reminds me of Pennington/Alex Smith.
Kizer reminds of me Josh Freeman. Watson reminds me of Russell Wilson. Mahomes is tougher... I think Mahomes' floor is Geno Smith. Anybody have a good comparison for what his ceiling is? |
What NFL player has really shitty feet and a weird side-arm long ball?
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He isn't definitely not comparable to Kaepernick.
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Favre
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Feet placement can be corrected
The gunslinger mentality favre The escabibility and making something out of nothing is Definitely Big Ben |
Randall Cunningham
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Didn't one of the draft sites compare him to Steve McNair?
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Less knowledgeable Matt Stafford. Stafford had bad footwork with a rifle of an arm.
He had pro style experience which makes him far more knowledgable than Mahommes. |
I'd say he's somewhere between Stafford and Favre as a ceiling. And, to be honest, I'm okay with that. Kid is going to make plays but he's going to give some up. Put him with a solid supporting cast, which he'd primarily have, and he could be extremely successful.
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I think he's basically got a Geno Smith floor and a Derek Carr ceiling.
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If the Chiefs draft a QB early, you are gonna be the biggest Chief hater this board has ever seen....You've already started in on Mahomes with your Bubbles comparison and we haven't even drafted the guy (yet).
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I did a forum-wide mock where.. as KC GM, I traded up to #20 to draft Trubs. I am actively hoping that KC drafts Nate Peterman on day 2. Do you understand what I am saying to you? The end for Alex Smith is near.. and I am basically giving him 2017 before sharpening my axe. As for Mahommes specifically, I just don't like his game much. Backyard balling, and fundamentals are all over the place. He really reminds me of Kaepernick... and I think others like him so much because.. well.. he really is a boom or bust type that could explode into greatness.. but I think he will fail as an Andy Reid QB. |
Nate Peterman is Alex Smith 2.0. He can stay the **** away from this team.
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Mahommes is Bobby Hebert at best. He is going day two at best. The offense he played in creates huge windows to throw into. He makes some good throws but he makes more shitty ones. He also telegraphs his passes regularly. He is a project player IMO.
Herbert was a pretty good player. If he ended up being as good as "the Cajun," he would be a good pick. http://sportsnola.com/wp-content/upl...ert_eagles.jpg |
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I like this Davis Webb dude more and more every day...the more I watch, the more he continues to impress me. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being the guy... I think he will be "the guy" somewhere.
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I'm going with Ryan Leaf
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I signed up and spent over a week on a mock.. deliberately didn't extend or restructure Smith's contract, which would have given me much needed cap room. Then after all said and done, I deliberately moved up to draft Trubs at 20.. just so I could run back to CP.. and point to it in some effort to conceal my Alex-only-love in the eyes of this forum? I found you amusing for a while, but you are headed back to ignore with the very few and rare others... jackass. :facepalm: |
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To be fair, I've been pretty petty with Cheeks. Truth is, I can't stand Smith and can not relate to his sentiments regarding Smith, but I like Cheeks and usually am just kind of ****ing around with him. He's kind of funny to me. In retrospect, in my above post, I kind of went out of my way to dink with him. Silly on my end. It was unnecessary in this case. I'm gonna lay off him for a bit...well, at least until the next time he writes another Alexcuse that just boggles my mind....or posts something crazy like comparing fandom to a marriage. |
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He's definitely Geno II.
Might be worse. The other comparisons are spot on. There's no way Watson is Russell Wilson. Absolute best case scenario, Randall Cunningham, with an Aaron Brooks mean and a David Garrard floor. |
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My darkhorse is Joshua Dobbs ...Aerospace Engineering major, dual threat, good arm....needs mechanics fixed My "Chiefs Pick" is Cooper Rush... just seems like a Dorsey/Reid pick that'd have everyone on a "WTF?" trip. |
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It's like having a young, cheap Smith... without all of the negative baggage. A clean slate to work with for Andy... with excellent pass weapons, good RB, and a good pass pro OL. |
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cf...mock-draft-iii
27. Kansas City Chiefs - QB Pat Mahomes, Texas Tech - Be sure to listen to my quarterback podcast with Matt Waldman, specifically on the perception that Mahomes is a project. This would be a great situation for the quarterback. |
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is a tough throw at any level. Mahomes makes it while about to get hit. His arm talent is ridiculous. Appears to hold S w/ eyes too. <a href="https://t.co/iaMLfMjX1t">pic.twitter.com/iaMLfMjX1t</a></p>— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/842457872940294144">March 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
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A slower Steve Young.
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Mahomes is a real developmental prospect who could be just like Stafford if he sits for a year. |
He's just him...I can't think of anyone to compare him to...
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I'd be shocked if he makes it and turns into a franchise QB. FTR, I don't hate every QB that comes out. I wanted Carr over Ford and was surprised when they passed on him. I thought Carr was the best QB in that draft. And surprise surprise, look how things have turned out. |
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You want to take a late second round flyer on him? Sure. And to the dumbass who posted above, Geno didn't have an average arm. His arm was, and still is, very strong. |
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Every one of these top 4 qb prospects this year are so double-edged sword..... |
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Still guessing 3 get selected first rd.. and Mahomes is not one of them. |
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I'm curious. If we didn't take Mahomes in the first, would we have a chance to trade-up for him in the 2nd?
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The dude is going to be drafted before we get a chance at him at 27. If we really want him, we have to trade up in the 1st |
All I know is that the QB grades are all over the board. Several teams rumored to be looking at some of these guys that pick in the top 13 could very well be looking at them at the top of round 2/trade up into end of round 1 as well. Basically we have no idea. Scouts all seem to think that most of these guys aren't going top 15.
We'll have to see. If I had to guess a sequence of earliest QB picks, it's Trubisky at 6 to the Jets, Watson at 12 to the Browns, Kizer at 13 to the Cards, Mahomes at 23 to the Giants, and Webb at 25 to the Texans. |
There's no way that many teams are passing on the top end defensive talent to draft these kinds of QBs.
There's a better chance of only 1 or 2 going in the first than 5. |
A contrarian's take on Mahomes and the hype he has been garnering. Don't shoot the messenger:
http://presnapreads.com/2017/04/02/p...ure-of-upside/ |
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Mahomes is a black QB so he compares to Geno Smith?
I don't think he compares to Geno at all. His arm strength and ability to throw on the move is much better. He is still very raw, but I could see him being ready in two years. |
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upside. so sexy. because we haven't had it at qb since... well since I became a fan. the bottom line will be can he learn to read defenses and anticipate throws. I think he could but not for us. our entire offense is anticipation really. and with low velocity smith it bites us in the ass sometimes. the upside is so tempting weve become fascinated with it.
more than likely hes gone before we pick anyway. but I think we go with a kid with some upside because its dorseys mold. but probably a "smart guy" hes gonna have to be and x and o guy above all. if smith had his current knowledge and his early year physical talents wed probably all be jerking off to running backs. |
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So many solid takes in this thread...NOT.
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This is a good one too. |
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in a couple years geno will do his floors and carr will paint the ceiling in his KC mansion |
Unless you've spent a full offseason in the draft forum, you can write down your complaints and shove them up your pooper.
Spending an entire offseason breaking down one to two hundred players is a ton of work for a dude to do in his spare time, even if it is really fun. You don't have NFL resources and it's like I can subpoena access to Pro Day workouts. I was spooked by the goofy spread offense he played in because, as is still true, literally nobody has played in that offense in college and gone on to have NFL success, except for, maybe, Case Keenum. Mahomes skepticism was very real, and in my opinion, super reasonable. You're not wiser than I am simply because you have hindsight on your side. |
What's up with that Paddy O'Mick fartface these days? Has he finally admitted he was wrong about Mahomes?
Cian Fahey, I think his name is? That's just so funny. The day I take NFL analysis from a ****ing Irishman is the day I take diet advice from Andy Reid. |
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I got the sense that that COULD be the case when Dorsey/Reid made the trade, had their choice of QBs, and went with him over Watson. That was a pretty clear signal they adored this guy, and Reid is to be trusted with QBs. Terez reported the Chiefs has dug deep in him too. But prior to that, all we really had was tea leafs and our own judgment. Those of us who lived in the trenches had a wide variety of opinions on him. Mine was that he was likely going to be good and with some work he could be a Derek Carr. I think that was a fair take given what is fans knew. If you think it’s dumb for dudes to waste their time doing this, fine. But you’re on a football forum and this kind of draft season research enhances the experience for a ton of us, so, again, shove it up your pooper. |
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FWIW, Jared Goff also came from the Air Raid. His OC was Tony Franklin, who got the system from Hal Mumme just like Mike Leach. Goff is much more of a system guy than Mahomes in my opinion. Fortunately for Jared, he has a really good offensive coach guiding him now. |
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Oh man, this thread is amazing. I've probably visited this forum a handful of times, but the gem I've seen here has really made my morning. Thanks guys.
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So - apparently BossChief is the only one who knows what they're talking about
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