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Deberg_1990 07-31-2019 10:21 PM

DeNiro, Pacino, Pesci, Scorsese.....The Irishman trailer
 
Holy shit. Probably the last hurrah for these guys. Looks great

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srvy 07-31-2019 11:36 PM

This one I am really looking forward to after being hyped for Once upon a time then letdown. Hopefully Scorsese wont make the same mistake.

sully1983 08-01-2019 01:06 AM

Definitely looks really good. And with a reportedly / estimated $200 million dollar budget Netflix has a ton riding on this. Really liked the trailer and I hope the de aging special effects won't be too distracting.

Oh and welcome back Mr Pesci!

scho63 08-01-2019 05:33 AM

I've loved these guys in just about everything but some look completely miscast.

DeNiro comes across so unbelievable as an Irishman and looks just like a "Italian Gangster"

Pacino not even close to being like Hoffa despite the heavy makeover

Amnorix 08-01-2019 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 14373452)
I've loved these guys in just about everything but some look completely miscast.

DeNiro comes across so unbelievable as an Irishman and looks just like a "Italian Gangster"


FWIW, he was also Irish in Goodfellas (Jimmy Burke).

RN47 08-01-2019 11:21 AM

DeNiro is 75, Pesci is 76, and Pacino is 79. A geriatric mobster movie.

I want it to be good, but I am not optimistic; none of these guys are what they used to be.

scho63 08-01-2019 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14373754)
FWIW, he was also Irish in Goodfellas (Jimmy Burke).

And he wasn't believable as an Irishman in that either. The first time he appears in Goodfellas coming into the illegal gambling den he was 100% Italian but pretending to be Irish. Not believable :shake:

Deberg_1990 08-01-2019 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RN47 (Post 14373871)
DeNiro is 75, Pesci is 76, and Pacino is 79. A geriatric mobster movie.

I want it to be good, but I am not optimistic; none of these guys are what they used to be.

That’s why they are using the advanced CGI de-aging stuff.

Scorsese still has it. I trust him.

Frazod 08-01-2019 11:37 AM

Pass. Not putting any more money in DeNiro's pocket.

alpha_omega 08-01-2019 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RN47 (Post 14373871)
DeNiro is 75, Pesci is 76, and Pacino is 79. A geriatric mobster movie.

I want it to be good, but I am not optimistic; none of these guys are what they used to be.

this.

ShiftyEyedWaterboy 08-01-2019 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 14373893)
That’s why they are using the advanced CGI de-aging stuff.

Scorsese still has it. I trust him.

I'm curious how movement is going to look. CGI de-aging or not. A 75 year old guy just can't move like a 40-something.

DeepPurple 08-01-2019 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14373895)
Pass. Not putting any more money in DeNiro's pocket.

Ditto or watch anything he has ever done!

Frazod 08-01-2019 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepPurple (Post 14374121)
Ditto or watch anything he has ever done!

I'm not going to swear off his earlier stuff - that's already bought and paid for and he's simply been in too many of the greatest movies ever made that I love. There's also a big difference between the person he was and the raging, noxious buffoon he is now. At least I hope so.

DeepPurple 08-01-2019 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14374195)
I'm not going to swear off his earlier stuff - that's already bought and paid for and he's simply been in too many of the greatest movies ever made that I love. There's also a big difference between the person he was and the raging, noxious buffoon he is now. At least I hope so.

I've got Taxi Driver on DVD and over years have seen it 20 times. I'll never watch it again. It's amazing how these guys all become so political once they made it and don't need the money anymore. Now if Pacino became a jerk, I might have a problem, I still haven't watched Dog Day Afternoon quite enough times. Then again, all I would have to do is put on 88 minutes, the worse piece of crap Pacino has ever made. A better title would of been Cell Phone.

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kcxiv 08-01-2019 03:23 PM

Will watch, dont have a Netflix sub anymore though, but ill sub for this! Plus i need to finish off a few other of their shows!

Also, he's probably always been the way he is, just didnt feel the need to speak up until recently for good reason! Dont really need to get into all that, no point really! Anyways, like i said, once it hits Netflix, will watch!

Munson 08-01-2019 03:26 PM

I'd watch it if I had Netflix.

And when was the last time Joe Pesci was in a movie?

kcxiv 08-01-2019 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Munson (Post 14374226)
I'd watch it if I had Netflix.

And when was the last time Joe Pesci was in a movie?

Regular acting roll says 2010, before that 2006. been a while!

vailpass 08-01-2019 04:18 PM

Stopped reading at DeNiro. Hard pass.

Baby Lee 08-01-2019 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 14374221)
Also, he's probably always been the way he is, just didnt feel the need to speak up until recently for good reason!

I'll agree that De Niro probably hasn't changed all that much, not nearly as his recent antics might suggest to a casual viewer.

But I doubt that his newfound vocality is all that ideological or actually all that genuine.

I believe he's genuinely passionate, but I'd almost put money on it stemming from some incredibly petty interpersonal interaction[s] over a broad history.

Maybe one of his sidepieces found Trump rude, or one of his sidepieces used to bang him too, or Trump badmouthed on of his precious TriBeCA/SoHo soirees or a dish at one of his restaurants.

Quite possibly, some of Trump's character traits that led to electoral success struck a little close to home to some traits that therapists have been working to eradicate in De Niro himself.

Whatever it is, I am confident it's more a matter of clashing egos than a matter of clash of heartfelt philosophies.

If nothing else, De Niro doesn't strike me as a philosopher, to say the least.

BWillie 08-01-2019 07:23 PM

I will definitely see it. I mean, it's going to be on Netflix right? Easy enough. The stuff they are doing to make them look younger is also fascinating.

Frazod 08-01-2019 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 14374221)
Will watch, dont have a Netflix sub anymore though, but ill sub for this! Plus i need to finish off a few other of their shows!

Also, he's probably always been the way he is, just didnt feel the need to speak up until recently for good reason! Dont really need to get into all that, no point really! Anyways, like i said, once it hits Netflix, will watch!

Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't. I certainly don't require the people who entertain me to share my beliefs; if I did, I'd pretty much be relegated to country music and cowboy movies. My favorite band is the Eagles, and from everything I've heard about Don Henley I wouldn't last in a conversation with him for two minutes. But Henley is smart enough to know where his bread is buttered - it's not hip urban millennials who fill the stadiums to watch him play - it's old farts like me. So he keeps his mouth shut about how much he thinks me and my worldview suck, at least publicly. And that's fine. My deal with Henley is he sings, and I pay to listen. Nothing more.

But DeNiro doesn't roll that way. There's a certain amount of gas I'll tolerate from these elitist cockbags, because I understand the bubble they inhabit. But he crossed the line, and I'm done with him and anything he does going forward.

Won't stop me from watching a 30 year old masterpiece like Goodfellas, though. Just like Alec Baldwin being a similar blowhard douche now won't stop me from watching Hunt for Red October, or Spacey being a perverted molesting creep won't stop me from watching L.A. Confidential. All that stuff's been in the books for a long time.

Baby Lee 08-01-2019 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14374508)
Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't. I certainly don't require the people who entertain me to share my beliefs; if I did, I'd pretty much be relegated to country music and cowboy movies. My favorite band is the Eagles, and from everything I've heard about Don Henley I wouldn't last in a conversation with him for two minutes. But Henley is smart enough to know where his bread is buttered - it's not hip urban millennials who fill the stadiums to watch him play - it's old farts like me. So he keeps his mouth shut about how much he thinks me and my worldview suck, at least publicly. And that's fine. My deal with Henley is he sings, and I pay to listen. Nothing more.

But DeNiro doesn't roll that way. There's a certain amount of gas I'll tolerate from these elitist cockbags, because I understand the bubble they inhabit. But he crossed the line, and I'm done with him and anything he does going forward.

Won't stop me from watching a 30 year old masterpiece like Goodfellas, though. Just like Alec Baldwin being a similar blowhard douche now won't stop me from watching Hunt for Red October, or Spacey being a perverted molesting creep won't stop me from watching L.A. Confidential. All that stuff's been in the books for a long time.

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Bowser 08-01-2019 07:46 PM

DeNiro playing Frank Sturgis?

Deberg_1990 08-01-2019 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14373895)
Pass. Not putting any more money in DeNiro's pocket.

Well, if your a Netflix subscriber you already have.

Amnorix 08-02-2019 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14373895)
Pass. Not putting any more money in DeNiro's pocket.


Honest question -- why don't you like DeNiro?

Frazod 08-02-2019 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14375624)
Honest question -- why don't you like DeNiro?

Oh for ****'s sake, you know damned well why I don't like him. Trying to keep politics out of this thread/forum. :shake:

BigRedChief 08-02-2019 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14375687)
Oh for ****'s sake, you know damned well why I don't like him. Trying to keep politics out of this thread/forum. :shake:

actors have been opinionated blow hard dicks about politics since there was a such thing as an actor. You have to separate out the movie from the actor when politics are not anywhere in the movie. It’s a Scorsese gangster movie. Those ****ing rock.

neech 08-02-2019 04:18 PM

De Niro was on SNL, I can't believed I watched a couple skits before I changed the channel but every line he was saying he had to read on the cue cards it was so obvious.

I have no interest in watching this movie either.

Sorry 08-02-2019 04:42 PM

ROFL:rolleyes:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14374195)
I'm not going to swear off his earlier stuff - that's already bought and paid for and he's simply been in too many of the greatest movies ever made that I love. There's also a big difference between the person he was and the raging, noxious buffoon he is now. At least I hope so.


Sorry 08-02-2019 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 14374393)
I'll agree that De Niro probably hasn't changed all that much, not nearly as his recent antics might suggest to a casual viewer.

But I doubt that his newfound vocality is all that ideological or actually all that genuine.

I believe he's genuinely passionate, but I'd almost put money on it stemming from some incredibly petty interpersonal interaction[s] over a broad history.

Maybe one of his sidepieces found Trump rude, or one of his sidepieces used to bang him too, or Trump badmouthed on of his precious TriBeCA/SoHo soirees or a dish at one of his restaurants.

Quite possibly, some of Trump's character traits that led to electoral success struck a little close to home to some traits that therapists have been working to eradicate in De Niro himself.

Whatever it is, I am confident it's more a matter of clashing egos than a matter of clash of heartfelt philosophies.

If nothing else, De Niro doesn't strike me as a philosopher, to say the least.

Nah, it's just Trump is categorically one of the biggest pieces of shit to ever hold the president office, but you have no morals or standards so you can't see beyond your two little feet.

Frazod 08-02-2019 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorry (Post 14375749)
Nah, it's just Trump is categorically one of the biggest pieces of shit to ever hold the president office, but you have no morals or standards so you can't see beyond your two little feet.

Hey cockbag, keep it in DC.

Mennonite 08-03-2019 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepPurple (Post 14374121)
Ditto or watch anything he has ever done!

Wait - not even Midnight Run?!



Ronin was a very underrated De Niro flick, imo. Anybody remember that one?

Buehler445 08-03-2019 08:15 AM

I have successfully insulated myself from the stupid. What did DeNiro say?

neech 08-03-2019 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mennonite (Post 14376249)
Ronin was a very underrated De Niro flick, imo. Anybody remember that one?

That was a good one, could've had a better ending though.

BWillie 08-03-2019 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14375687)
Oh for ****'s sake, you know damned well why I don't like him. Trying to keep politics out of this thread/forum. :shake:

We really need to stop disliking people because of their political views. Both Republicans and Democrats do it.

scho63 08-04-2019 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mennonite (Post 14376249)
Wait - not even Midnight Run?!

Just rewatched this for the 50th time. LOVE that movie :clap:

Deberg_1990 08-27-2019 11:58 AM

Release date set:

November 1st in theaters

November 27th on Netflix

https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2019/08...es-all-of-them

ShiftyEyedWaterboy 08-28-2019 06:34 PM

Sounds like this is clocking in at 3.5 hrs long.

CoMoChief 08-28-2019 06:49 PM

looks good

Deberg_1990 09-27-2019 07:59 PM

Reviews are filtering out


Consensus is: A Masterpiece

sully1983 09-28-2019 09:27 AM

Currently 100% on RT. Sounds like the de aging special effects aren't so distracting. Good to know!

BigRedChief 11-14-2019 05:31 AM

Anyone seeing it in the theater?

banecat 11-14-2019 11:13 AM

Two weeks from yesterday can't get here soon enough

Deberg_1990 11-26-2019 10:15 PM

Premieres tomorrow or early this morning is my guess.

BigRedChief 11-28-2019 11:30 PM

Watched it last night on Netflix. Watching Pacino and Deniro act together was great to see. Scorsese and mob movies are always entertaining. But 3.5+ hours? Netflix should have made this a limited series.

Deberg_1990 11-29-2019 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14623433)
Watched it last night on Netflix. Watching Pacino and Deniro act together was great to see. Scorsese and mob movies are always entertaining. But 3.5+ hours? Netflix should have made this a limited series.

Yea, I’m
About an hour in. Will have to watch in pieces

Didn’t realize Harvey Keitel was in this too. Scorcese really brought out the all star team lineup.

Dallas Chief 11-29-2019 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 14623500)
Yea, I’m
About an hour in. Will have to watch in pieces

Didn’t realize Harvey Keitel was in in too. Scorcese really brought out the all star team lineup.

Yep, even Lois the babysitter has a significant role in this one. Several others from mob related shows from HBO as well.

BigRedChief 11-29-2019 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 14623500)
Yea, I’m
About an hour in. Will have to watch in pieces

Didn’t realize Harvey Keitel was in this too. Scorcese really brought out the all star team lineup.

Scorsese put the band back together for this one, its like a greatest hits reunion tour.

Graystoke 11-29-2019 09:45 AM

Wasn’t impressed

scho63 11-29-2019 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14623595)
Scorsese put the band back together for this one, its like a greatest hits reunion tour.

Seeing 70 year old guys trying to play and sing their greatest hits isn't always so great

Bruce Springsteen did a show last week at the Stone Pony and one of buddys who was there commented on how we are all old and can't outrun Father Time no matter how hard we try.

RunKC 11-29-2019 10:22 AM

This movie was overrated AF. Complete snore fest

Halfcan 11-29-2019 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 14623601)
Seeing 70 year old guys trying to play and sing their greatest hits isn't always so great

Bruce Springsteen did a show last week at the Stone Pony and one of buddys who was there commented on how we are all old and can't outrun Father Time no matter how hard we try.

That would still have been great to see though.

Halfcan 11-29-2019 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14623631)
This movie was overrated AF. Complete snore fest

So, it was not GoodFellows 2?

Mennonite 11-29-2019 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14623664)
So, it was not GoodFellows 2?

No because Casino was Goodfellas 2.

Deberg_1990 11-29-2019 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14623631)
This movie was overrated AF. Complete snore fest

Really?

It has some Instant classic scenes.

“that’s what you wear to a meeting?”
“Don’t be late to a meeting “. “More than 10 minutes late, that’s saying something “

Great scene!

Frazod 11-29-2019 02:19 PM

I went ahead and started watching it the other night - got nearly halfway through.

I'm not sure if I'll finish it or not. Just feels like been there, done that, with better material, more than once. I mean, how many retreads of the Scorcese/DeNiro/Pesci Lowlife Greaseball Show do we need? After a while it's just like another Jason Bourne movie, with big meals instead of car chases.

Halfcan 11-29-2019 02:21 PM

Deniro was great in the Joker- I really liked the part where his dumb ass got shot dead on camera.

Deberg_1990 11-29-2019 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14623846)
I went ahead and started watching it the other night - got nearly halfway through.

I'm not sure if I'll finish it or not. Just feels like been there, done that, with better material, more than once. I mean, how many retreads of the Scorcese/DeNiro/Pesci Lowlife Greaseball Show do we need? After a while it's just like another Jason Bourne movie, with big meals instead of car chases.

It’s definitely slower paced than those other gangster films, but it’s still really, really good.

Ultimately it’s pretty sad. The last half hour or so is about aging and dying alone.

vailpass 11-29-2019 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 14623896)
It’s definitely slower paced than those other gangster films, but it’s still really, really good.

Ultimately it’s pretty sad. The last half hour or so is about aging and dying alone.

That sounds really great.

candyman 11-29-2019 04:26 PM

Hour in, I'm having trouble talking myself into finishing it.

Mennonite 11-29-2019 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyman (Post 14623972)
Hour in, I'm having trouble talking myself into finishing it.

This isn't a slam, but I think it's funny that so many people live-stream everything they do. I do it too. It's just ridiculous that we can't finish a movie or a quarter of a football game without getting online to opine. I've even seen people do chapter by chapter book reviews.

candyman 11-29-2019 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mennonite (Post 14623978)
This isn't a slam, but I think it's funny that so many people live-stream everything they do. I do it too. It's just ridiculous that we can't finish a movie or a quarter of a football game without getting online to opine. I've even seen people do chapter by chapter book reviews.

That says a lot about this movie for me. If it wasn't so boring so far I wouldn't have paused it to browse CP. I can promise you I didn't pause Once Upon a Time in Hollywood once last night.

Frazod 11-29-2019 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mennonite (Post 14623978)
This isn't a slam, but I think it's funny that so many people live-stream everything they do. I do it too. It's just ridiculous that we can't finish a movie or a quarter of a football game without getting online to opine. I've even seen people do chapter by chapter book reviews.

Uh, I started watching it at 1:00 o’clock in the morning and stopped when I couldn’t stay awake anymore. That being said, if it was truly great it would have kept me up. It didn’t.

candyman 11-29-2019 05:19 PM

I gave up. Big Scorsese fan but this movie sucks.

vailpass 11-29-2019 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyman (Post 14623972)
Hour in, I'm having trouble talking myself into finishing it.

Deberg says the big payoff for sitting through 3.5 hours of a snooze-fest is a look into aging and dying alone.
So hang in there!

Mennonite 11-29-2019 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 14624028)
Deberg says the big payoff for sitting through 3.5 hours of a snooze-fest is a look into aging and dying alone.
So hang in there!



It's the first truly interactive movie. It's so long the audience ages and dies along with the characters.

Baby Lee 11-29-2019 07:15 PM

Is there anyone familiar with the "Killing Jimmy Hoffa" doc on Amazon who can say if this added anything you might not get from the source material?

I don't mind Scorsese et al dramatizing this stuff, but as the consumer appetite for true crime documentaries has grown, they've gotten good at assembling interviews and file footage to give a pretty good picture of events, and it's often just plain better to get the information straight from the mouth of the wiseguys and skells who were involved.

Deberg_1990 11-29-2019 08:34 PM

Scorcese taking some heat online because AnnA Paquin and Jessie Plemons have about 20 words of dialogue between them.

Although Paquins character ends up being fairly import to the film.

Deberg_1990 11-30-2019 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 14624120)
Is there anyone familiar with the "Killing Jimmy Hoffa" doc on Amazon who can say if this added anything you might not get from the source material?

I don't mind Scorsese et al dramatizing this stuff, but as the consumer appetite for true crime documentaries has grown, they've gotten good at assembling interviews and file footage to give a pretty good picture of events, and it's often just plain better to get the information straight from the mouth of the wiseguys and skells who were involved.

Movie is based on the book about Sheeran (DeNero character). He claims he was the one who killed Hoffa. But many have disputed it.

So obviously the movie is coming from Sheerans point of view.

scho63 11-30-2019 12:00 PM

The facts of this movie have fallen apart. 99.9% fiction

jd1020 11-30-2019 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 14624575)
The facts of this movie have fallen apart. 99.9% fiction

How do you make a movie around Jimmy Hoffa's disappearance based on facts when no one knows the facts?

The movie is based on a book told by Sheeran.

Dallas Chief 11-30-2019 02:33 PM

It wasn’t as good as I wanted it to be and not as bad as some have said. Soundtrack could have been better which is something Scorsese usually has on point (Goodfellas, Casino, and the Departed come to mind.) Any good links disputing the storyline for my lazy ass?

jjjayb 11-30-2019 03:19 PM

Watched the first hour of this last night. Will probably finish it tonight. The CGI they used to make the characters look younger is distracting as hell.

Baby Lee 11-30-2019 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas Chief (Post 14624650)
It wasn’t as good as I wanted it to be and not as bad as some have said. Soundtrack could have been better which is something Scorsese usually has on point (Goodfellas, Casino, and the Departed come to mind.) Any good links disputing the storyline for my lazy ass?

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Deberg_1990 11-30-2019 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjjayb (Post 14624684)
Watched the first hour of this last night. Will probably finish it tonight. The CGI they used to make the characters look younger is distracting as hell.

I actually think the CGI was good, but our brains are wired to know what these guys really look like , so yea it’s distracting a little bit.

ShiftyEyedWaterboy 11-30-2019 07:03 PM

Haven't seen it yet but can anyone tell me how this Sheeran killed Hoffa theory stacks up? There are so many claims with this and MLK that it's hard for me take any seriously.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-30-2019 08:16 PM

It was solid. Dragged quite a bit, but a good watch.

Deberg_1990 11-30-2019 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 14624960)
It was solid. Dragged quite a bit, but a good watch.

It is. I don’t understand why people are complaining? What did they expect?

It’s still very well made and the cast is beyond Iconic.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-30-2019 09:35 PM

You would watch Expendables 10, Deberg. Tell it true....

cdcox 11-30-2019 11:06 PM

It's slow. If it had been a theatrical release, there would be an hour of cellulose acetate lying on the floor. It had some good moments. Will watch again to stitch together details.


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