Why did we kick the field goal with 11 seconds left?
 

Why not take a shot at the end zone. With Mahomes from the 20 something I like our chances. Take a shot then kick

The pats were dropping 7 or 8 guys back into the endzone and or at the goal line:

Too many things could've gone wrong throwing into the endzone there. Pats had the entire endzone covered with their safeties and corners.

Baldinger had a great clip on this. Mahomes ****ed it up. He had Williams wide open and could’ve gotten to about the 9 with 10 seconds left. Mahomes threw it to the back of the end zone instead.

I don't think they thought they had no chance and didn't want to risk it.

I think I counted that they had 6 guys IN the endzone 3 on the DL and 2 guys inside the 5. With no timeout, they weren't giving up a TD.

I agreed with doing it. You get a sack or a bad snap, or a guy doesn't get out of bounds, and the game is over. The field goal is 95+%, and gives you a 50/50 shot at winning the coin flip that determines the winner.

They took one shot.

I just watched the video that was referenced...dude is right, if Mahomes hits Williams he's got a catch and out of bounds at the 10 yard line...

Which is exactly what they should have done. You are ****ing with fire if you get a holding call, or get sacked with no timeouts and 11 tics on the clock.

That's a little strongly worded. A checkdown is still an incredibly dangerous play. If rather take the 50/50 of a coin toss than the huge risk of trying to pull off a small % chance at a td. One sack or player not going out of bounds and game is over.

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If you watch the video, Williams is running toward the sideline with no one near him, and he's about 12 yards down the field.

It didn't look dangerous at all it would have been a catch and right out of bounds.

Mahomes left a lot of plays on the field.

But goddamn is the future bright, or what?

The Pats dynasty is ending.

And when it does, who's got it better than us?

Who the **** is going to beat Pat Mahomes and Andy Reid once Brady/Bill are gone?

WTF is Brady even going to look like a season from now?

The Pats are ALREADY protecting Brady and running an Alex Smith offense.

Brady is never going to go away, he's like the devil or something.

Mahomes may not have trusted Williams to get out of bounds.

I wouldn’t.

Also, Mahomes has a mental clock telling him not to get sacked. Ultimately this was probably a trust issue with Williams. Can’t really blame Mahomes

God that looks so bad.

Painful

He's going toward the sideline, he'd have been out of bounds in 2 steps.

Did you not see the video?

So he gets out of bounds at the 10, with 10 seconds left - then what?

He will someday. His days are closing fast. They run so much because he cant take hits anymore. Gronk will be cut and maybe Edleman as well. Gronk for sure and Edleman is 32 and diminishing fast.

I was yelling the same thing. Gotta take a shot there.

10 yards is a normal play, then you have at least 1 legit shot at a TD.

Yeah, I still think the odds would be more negative than positive.

Throwing to Williams was the correct decision

However, he may have feared Williams would’ve turned it up field and been tackles in bounds.

It may have been a trust issue.

Personally I think Mahomes was going endzone or throwaway regardless. But it’s possible he simply didn’t trust Williams to get out of bounds

You have 1 play to try for a td. A quick slant that goes for the end zone. Or a crossing pattern. If it’s not there you throw it away

He never gets touched ever...he may very well play till he's 47

Mahomes is in his first full year as a starter.
Just have to tell yourself that he'll learn from this going forward.

Interesting stat of the day: Brady had more roughing the passer penalties than hits yesterday.

ROFL

in Patrick's post-game presser he said that Andy told him the only 2 options were throwing it in the end zone or throwing it away. but I agree with baldy. should have hit Williams and gotten oob at the 10. would've left enough time for 1 shot before the fg. and a 10 yd pass is far tougher to defend (than from the 22..) in that situation.

See that.

Pat will learn.

Next year, he'll hit the out and on the next play, we're in the SB.

I'll be honest I actually thought they were going to throw a short out there just to make it a closer FG.

Would have, could have......but if Williams catches a pass at the ten with no one around him and a full head of steam...…..maybe he steps out around the four or so, maybe he bulldozes his way in? Maybe he gets stopped short and we lose....

We'll never know

If he goes in with a full head of steam there’s a good chance he’s stopped short...and we lose

Agreed. He'd make it to about the 3 and get stonewalled.

But if he makes it to the 5 or 4 and steps out with ~10 seconds left?

This is all useless speculation, but like Clay said, hopefully Pat watches this on film and learns from it. That's the silver lining here.

Pat will get better at this.

I hope he studies what Brady, Manning and Rivers do with these quick passes that disable elite pass rushers.

God. Imagine Mahomes being able to extend plays like he does AND being able to switch his game at any point in time to destroy teams with quick passes.

Impossible to defend.

Is it any more difficult for Mahomes to throw the ball accurately for 30 yards as opposed to 10?

I'm not following the logic here. Are we talking about an easier FG?

FAX THE CONFUSED

Right there with you, Brother. You’re at the 10 with 10 secs and no timeouts. Guess what, you still kick the FG

I think it was the right call at the time. Better to get 50/50 deal (OT) than risk running out of time/INT, even if there was <20% for that.

this thread is dumb

Something the Chiefs should've done at the end of the first half

10 seconds is enough for a jump ball or a slant to be thrown.

I didn't have a problem with kicking the FG, but to be fair giving it a shot from the 10 would be way easier. You could actually scheme up a play to put everyone in the endzone and try to fool the defense in some way or another. Some kind of quick out, fade or slant where you take advantage of a 1 on 1 matchup.

From the 30 it's basically everyone run to the endzone and try to get open. They have 7 guys back there and can see the WRs coming all the way.

Everything in the endzone would have been covered forcing Pat to throw it away or throw underneath and risk coming up short with no way to stop the clock.

This isn't a dis on Pat, but he has a tendency with not throwing the ball away due to his competitiveness. He will get that under control as his career progresses.

While I would have preferred to go for the TD,I definitely understand why Andy didn't.

I think it's just tougher for the Pats to defend. Rubs, etc. all can open up a bit more from closer on and the ball gets there quicker making it tougher to defend. Pretty much just makes taking an extra shot less risky, at least from my standpoint.

I get that, but it’s also enough time for something awful to happen and you get nothing. Kick the FG, go to OT, and pray you win the toss.....or that Brady decides during that last possession that he is no longer interested in Super Bowling anymore.......

Well, the debate is becoming more clear as more excellent posts accrue. At 10 yards, you could potentially spread the defense out and run crossers all over the place to try and get something open at the goal line. The defense would have less time to react. Okay. Got it.

But, if I'm Wally (and I have no TOs and 16 seconds on the clock), I tell Mahomes to hit the TD if he sees it wide-damn-open. If it isn't there, throw it away. Period. Don't take a sack, don't put the ball at risk, and don't throw it to somebody who could potentially get tackled inbounds. That's what I do.

And I wouldn't lose a moment of sleep over the decision.

FAX

This is classic Monday morning quarterbacking. For Mahomes at that point, the priority is getting the game to overtime when you’re at that stage with no time outs left. If you can take a shot at the end zone and win, you do it. But you don’t let a mistake beat you. So let’s say he hits Williams. Two possibilities: 1/ Williams ****s up and stays in bounds, gets tackled, game over. Or 2/ Williams gets out of bounds and then you’re still at the 10 and need to be throwing into what’s likely double or triple coverage in the end zone again, risking a pick and the end of the game.

Had Mahomes thrown a pick to end the game there, Reid would’ve been castigated and Mahomes probably would’ve been mentally crushed through the entire offseason. We have the single most aggressive QB in the NFL who has 3rd and short and chucks it 40yds downfield. There’s no part of me that will ever question his or Reid’s aggressiveness in a situation like this.

50/50 shot you win the coin toss, much higher chance something goes wrong with no timeouts trying to gain some extra yard.

Yup. Nice meeting you and your brother yesterday, sir.

Yep. It REALLY isn't that hard to figure out.

Absolutely. It was nice to finally meet some CPers other than Stevie and Flop. Wish I had been able to have a celebration drink with everyone afterwords.

More tailgating next year.

As much as I love pat, in that situation he’s going to try to make a play. It’s his nature.

But you don’t really want that there. In the future I’d be more willing to give that a shot. Right now, you don’t put him in that situation

WTF? Right! Just like his mental clock didn't take a sack in the 1st half taking us out of FG range after missing Williams for a wide open TD. Wait, maybe he didn't trust Williams to catch it or think he would go out of bounds before scoring?

Like WTF? Not trust him, why do you ever throw to him then? Mental clock.... tick tick tick, your mental clock isn't working.

In Reality, he just missed seeing Williams open along the side line just like he missed him with an open throw..... it's football, these things happen, Pat is human too !! Just like the Dee Ford penalty! Just like not scoring any points the 1st half!

It's football and these little things are the things as a team they need to grow and improve on. Experience is the best teacher!

Because it was the right ****ing call. We weren't going to score a TD with the Pats dropping 8 and us having no timeouts left.

I do wish they'd have taken one more endzone shot.

I also wish the offense had actually started playing before the third quarter. And that the defense hadn't stopped playing in the fourth quarter.

Oh well.

Easier to defend a 30 yard pass and harder to defend a quick hitting slant or out from the 10.

I wish Dee Ford would have lined up 6" farther back. One single solitary play kind of wish. Just 6" of wish. :D

If they could have gotten it down to the 10 then Yeah I’d take a quick shot

If that happens then:
https://youtu.be/K9prErUe0qQ
And get out of bounds if you can't score.

He's 1000% correct. But Pat is young...

Big diff running that play 55 yards away and going into a half of a week 9 game, vs kick a FG and keep your SB dreams alive in the AFC CG.

After catching up to this thread, yes, either take the Williams open sideline OB at the 10, allow 1 quick strike or just take the no play in the EZ and kick the 3!

As it has been mentioned many times here, Pat will see this, understand it, hopefully be ready next time we get in this position again.

So too does all of us, BTA, we should have put up some points in the 1st half instead of getting our asses handed to us!

God, that was the worst part - for about five seconds, we were going to the Super Bowl. Then it just blew away like a fart in the wind. :sulk:

It was nice meeting you, BTW. :thumb:

If you're not going to underneath at least one play, then you have two end zone plays with 16 seconds on the clock.

Oh man I about broke my buddies ribs, I started flipping out and bear hugged him thinking that was the game and then.............

Nice to meet you too. :thumb:

No timeouts, and 1 sack equals end of game. An intentional grounding there ends the game with a run off.

Losing that challenge and therefore the timeout hurt bigger than many other things being bitched about.

Yikes. ****. Yeah that's on Mahomes.

Eh, from the 10, you can run a conventional play. From the 30,it's basically a short hail Mary

OkWe have Mahomes though, who isn't exactly a underrated as far as speed goes outside the pocket. You have to trust your strengths...

Easy to play MMQB but again looking at the game he had been sacked 4 times hit 9 other times and the OL had struggled.

50/50 you get the coin toss, its just odds.

I was betting that reid told him that.

Makes sense

Every kick butker took at the half was from the 30 exactly. He made every one perfectly.

That ball was planted at the 29 iirc.

In other words I think they were confident in the fg, so noi reason to risk something happening and time running out.

This

I got the rando guy next to me. Ended up holding him in the air while my wife and the little kid in front of us were both hugging me. Lol.

We can sit here and beat the horse all day about this play. If Patrick throws an interception or Williams trips/falls/doesn't get OB, then we'd all be bitching that why didn't we send it to OT.