Offseason additions outside of the draft
 

Not a good thread for the lounge yet, still some season to go but thought it would be an interesting idea here.

Yeah, we have the draft and free agency but one place you can make some hay is trading picks for guys on other teams obviously. But more directly, from teams that have decided to blow up the coaching staff and front office and make system changes. So guys that maybe don't necessarily fit the new style of defense or what not.

It looks like the Cardinals and the Jets are going full on meltdown rebuild. The 9ers may fire their DC and make some changes there.

Who is everyone looking at in these situations, player wise?

One big name for me from the Jets would be Leonard Williams. High pick that's maybe underwhelmed a bit that would be a great fit here.

I'd still be looking at taking a shot at Hassan Reddick from the Cardinals.

I don’t see them getting rid of Williams and even if they did, he’s almost due for a payday.

Free agents you see alot of in my mocks and I might comment more there later but just thought I'd throw out some possible trade targets.

DT Robert Nkemdiche (ARZ) - Didn't do shit his first 2 years in the league as a 1st round pick but seems to be turning it on now. He is going into his final year of his deal but has that option year. If the Cards don't feel he's progressed fast enough or to a good enough level, he'd be a nice "reclamation project" of sorts.

CB Patrick Peterson (ARZ) - I don't believe the trade winds have stopped blowing on him. He has two pretty solid years from a cap perspective left on his deal and would net them a decent draft pick.

CB A.J. Bouye (JAX) - Could save the Jags 9.5m against this year's cap and would transfer over 13.0m per season for the next 3 seasons if traded. He's 27 and one of the better CBs in the NFL.

DE Malik Jackson (JAX) - Could save the Jags 11.0m against the cap and would transfer over 13.0m next year and then 13.75m per season for the next 2 seasons. He's 28.

DE/OLB Noah Spence (TB) - Won't save the Bucs much, just 1.27m, but he's a big reclamation project at this point. He had 5.5 sacks his rookie year but was injured his first 2 seasons and really hasn't seen the field much in year 2 and 3. He has a cheap year left before his option year and could be worth a conditional 7th rounder in a future year to see if he can be turned around.

OC Jason Kelce (PHI) - Would save Philadelphia 6.5m against the cap. One of the better centers in the NFL, he's 31 and carries cap charges of 6.5 and 7.0m over the next 2 seasons.

Sign me up for A.J. Bouye all ****ing day.

That would give us a TON more draft flexibility by adding a proven #1 corner ahead of time. If you can somehow swing him and Earl Thomas both, you’ve got an awesome secondary on your hands.

All of this pending the dismissal of Bob Sutton.

I don't think there's the cap room for both of them unless you're definitely letting either Chris Jones or Tyreek Hill go, or creating ridiculous cap situations in 2020

I think Peterson is definitely elsewhere next year

Bouye is an interesting name but I’m guessing they end up moving Ramsey instead as it doesn’t seem they wanna pay him. He’s a mouth but damn he’s good.

The chiefs could move a pick for him and Peterson and sign Thomas.

Hingo

You know who would be a great fit here that probably wouldn’t cost much? Cordarelle Patterson.

He’s making $3.25 million this season.

With Conley leaving (I think he’ll make some nice $$ in FA) and Watkins being made of glass, it would be great to get this guy for a 2 year deal paying him an avg of 5 or so million a year.

He seems like a lost cause at WR. Looks like more of a runningback.

Andy could definitely find a way to use him though.

We need a 3rd WR who can beat man coverage with decent consistency. Right now we’ve got Hill and Watkins to do that, but Watkins isn’t too reliable because of injuries and he’ll be gone after 2019.

That would be an easy addition considering the obvious Travis influence

I agree he probably wouldn't be the 3rd WR, he'd fill the DAT gadget kind of role, plus he'd slot into a lot of the kind of sweeps that Watkins was running if Watkins gets injured next season as well.

I hope we keep Kelvin Benjamin on a cheap incentive driven deal as the 3rd WR who can beat man. I was hoping for a 3rd round draft pick up but I think that maybe goes RB now.

I’d flip a 5th to the cowboys for Sean Lee and hope he could stay healthy

Ronald Darby and Bashaud Breeland are both free agents In the offseason and I would be inclined to bring them in. They are both experienced and shouldn't cost too much I'd imagine. And of course, it will be interesting to see what the Giants do with Landon Collins. He's set to be a free agent himself.

I think, obviously, the biggest thing is they've gotta hit on some defensive draft picks.

They've got the ammo to probably trade for someone if they wanted though.

I’m looking at all these players:

Eric Rowe
Shane Ray
Morris Claiborne
Justin Coleman
Darqueze Dennard
Pierre Desir
Ronald Darby
Markus Golden
Earl Thomas
Tyrann Matheiu
Haha Clinton-Dix
Landon Collins
Carl Davis
Jihad Ward
Christian Covington
Darius Philon

With the bengals apparently cleaning house, would you give up a 2nd round pick for aj green?

No. Too expensive.

We need young cheap talent

A 2nd for a top 5 player? I dunno

I’d rather trade it for a defensive player if I were doing it thoigh

Top 5 what? Green isn’t a top 5 receiver anymore

Draft picks are critical with this team because so many guys are paid highly and are going to be paid even more in the near future (Hill/Jones/Mahomes)

When he’s healthy, yeah

They do have a lot of highly paid guys, hence it’s time to start moving away from some

Green is over 30 and getting hurt a lot more lately. Just not a good idea to take on the contract at this point IMO

It’s a one year deal

Even worse. A 2nd round pick that could very well be a 4-8 year starter on defense for a 1 year rental of a WR who is past his prime, expensive, and starting to get hurt? No way man.

It’s a chance to add an elite player on a one year deal during pats rookie deal

Any chance the dolphins would trade Xavien Howard?

Gerald McCoy might be done in Tampa.

Would be interested

Those are guys that would make a difference if the money is right

Why the **** would they trade basically 1 of 3 of their only good players on Defense?

They’re the dolphins?

No. I don't want a slow, aging ILB that can't stay healthy.

No. For reasons made clear by pugs.

If the Cards drop the ball and don't re-sign Rodney Gunter, I'd like to see KC pick him up.

Okay, fair enough. I can't argue against that.

I'm beginning to wonder if Trae Waynes will hit the market. The Vikings have 19 free agents going into the 2019 offseason and a meager $11.3 million in cap space. Assuming they let S Andrew Sendejo go by not picking up his option, they'll still be looking at a shoddy $16.8 million in space. They need more cap room to sign their draft class and retain or obtain talent at other positions, especially considering SLB Anthony Barr and K Dan Bailey are on that FA list. The Vikings deepest group is at CB where they have Xavier Rhodes, Mackenzie Alexander, Mike Hughes, and Holton Hill. The team can gain the most space by cutting ties with Waynes prior to the beginning of the new league year. They would have been smart to trade him this year. Now they have to make a snap decision between Feb 4 and Mar 13 on whether or not to retain him because that salary is fully guaranteed March 13. If the Vikings do cut him before the option fully guarantees, then the Chiefs should do everything they can to sign him in my opinion. He's been a lot stronger player the past 2 seasons than he was his first couple.

Wow! Didn’t realize how well the Vikings are stacked at corner.
I’d love for the Chiefs to pursue Waynes if he becomes available.

They are absolutely going to let Barr walk in FA and Bailey has been eh. I don't see them letting him go at all.

Jags are gonna have to release or trade some of that defense. That wouldn’t be the worst place to find some talent

KJ Wright would be a great addition provided this team goes back to 4-3...

Malik Jackson, Darius or either corner would be nice additions, but the crown jewel would have to be Myles Jack.

I wonder if they would trade him.

I'd think the crown jewel would be the best corner in the league, but Jack is good.

Everyone wants Earl Thomas, but with as much versatility as we ask our safeties to have, I'd rather have Mathieu.

What about DeSean Jackson? Has the history with Andy Reid, would be an upgrade over Conley. Not sure what his contract is or what it would take to get him maybe a 4th? Just thinking he may want to move on after the coaching change in Tampa.

One year left on his contract and would cost $10m. No thanks.

We'd better get really good at drafting because once MVPatty gets paid, we're going to have to have significant contributions from guys on rookie contracts.

They certainly need to be good if not really good. The issue with a team like Green Bay is they’ve been flat out bad in the draft for a long stretch up until 2018.

It’s when you stack up bad drafts over and over that you find yourself severely underachieving despite having one of the greater QBs you could ever have.

+1 QFT

I'd key on former SEC/ACC top draft prospects that didn't quite live up to their potential/draft stock. For some reason, Veach loves to kick the tires on these guys.

He's probably getting cut. I'd say that with about 100.1% confidence. I don't think he's advocating for Jackson based upon trading for him.

For the earlier Dolphins comment, lots of rumors down there they are about to have a fire sale and go into total Raiders style rebuild mode.

TE Maxx Williams - We need more Williams on this team. Former University of Minnesota 2nd round pick for Baltimore Ravens. Does not get very many opportunities but according to FootballOutsiders.com, he makes the most of them with 94% catch rate in 2018 and a 83% catch rate in 2017. Ravens won't be competing to re-sign since they drafted Andrews and Hurst this last year. Good size at 6-4, 252 with 10 3/8 inch hands and timed at 4.78 40 in pre-draft. Maxx has not lived up to expectations for Ravens but could be a good 2nd TE for KC. Side note - Demetrius Harris has a 48% catch rate.

So supposing KC could get a WR that is 6-3, 215 pounds and can run a 4.35 40, had 109 receptions and 1447 yards in his last season in college and KC could get him using no draft picks and could get him at a very club friendly contract? OK that was the good news. The bad news, he can't stay healthy with leg and scapula fractures. Some of you have already guessed it is WR Kevin White for the Chicago Bears. Big health issue BUT if KC could sign at a very low risk contract. Might be gold with very little risk.

Some other free agents to consider either signing or re-signing.

CB Kareem Jackson Texans, Bryce Callahan Bears, Pierre Desir Colts, Steven Nelson Chiefs, Ronald Darby Eagles.

DL Muhammad Wilkerson Packers, Danny Shelton Patriots, Christian Covington Texans, Sheldon Richardson Vikings, Mario Edwards Giants, Allen Bailey Chiefs

OT Cameron Fleming Cowboys

ED Dee Ford Chiefs

HB Spencer Ware Chiefs

FB Anthony Sherman Chiefs

ILB Manti Te’o Saints

Of the corners, I'm not sure about Kareem Jackson. He's playing well above his career average performance this year, and he's still had some pretty terrible games in coverage. Callahan is good but predominantly a slot guy I believe? We already have Fuller to man the slot. I like Darby but to me he's the stand out CB this off season, even coming off an injury. I think he gets overpaid as teams compete for him.

On the D line there's a few good options, I definitely wouldn't re-sign Bailey. A lot of guys like Sheldon Richardson are going to command more than I would want to pay at Dline I think, considering how much work the secondary needs. I kind of hope for a cheaper vet who produces about the same as Bailey but for a lot less money, and then try drafting a kid in the first 2 rounds.

I put T'eo in a mock draft, if we move to a 4-3 I think he could genuinely be an absolute steal, has looked good in his two years at NO and somehow ended up as a healthy scratch this year while still playing well. Could be had for pennies I think.

I’d give Kevin White a shot low risk high reward

With the Kansas City Chiefs Andy Reid Offense and Patrick Mahomes at QB, a few free agents might not require the big free agent pay out to come here for one last chance at glory.


Adrian Peterson – At 33 years old with Washington this year, Adrian had 251 rushing attempts, 1042 yards, 4.2 average, and 7 TDs. Adrian also had 20 catches for 208 yards and 1 TD. Maybe KC signs Adrian Peterson for the same cost to re-sign Spencer Ware.

Larry Fitzgerald – At 35 in 2018 he had 69 receptions, 734 yards and 6 TDs. At 6-3 220 pounds and a decent blocker, KC uses Larry in WR/TE sets that only Andy Reid can design. So again rather than re-sign and bring back Demetrius Harris, the Chiefs sign Larry Fitzgerald.

One last shot at a ring!!!

Not sure if either Larry or Adrian would really be a good thing for the Chiefs but the point I am really trying to make is; Kansas City is now a very attractive destination for NFL free agents.

Last night affirmed my opinion on Kareem Jackson, guy got burned badly last night, no thanks.

Desir impressed, but I don't know why the Colts wouldn't retain him

No way man. Low risk, low reward. He's playing in the same offense and Nagy didn't magically turn him around either. He just ****ing sucks, ala Jon Baldwin.

Just say no to old ****ing trash.

Kareem Jackson is a FS now, if he played there I think he'd be ok.

I would absolutely look into Darius Philon. Would love stealing him from the Chargers.

That guy is a very good run stuffer who has solid pass rush ability.

I’d take Phillips too

If the eagles let Kelce go I’d bring him in to play center

It would be nice, but there's just no money for it unless you're not going after a big name FA for the secondary.